As for me, I could never find a gun in which Winchester .224 55 gr Soft Points would perform up to snuff, and have a friend who has had the same experience.

Also, although I'd really like to use them, I can't find a gun or load that shoots the Barnes X with any reasonable degree of accuracy.

What bullets have given you trouble?

George

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there should be a government health warning on the box "THESE BULLETS CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR SANITY AND YOUR BANK BALANCE"

ignored all the warnings about barnes and paid the price!!!
never again.

Griff

There is no middle ground with Barnes. Your gun either likes them or hates them. If your gun hates them, no amount of load development work will correct the situation. In my opinion they are a waste of time.

ZM

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I have gotten them to shoot with "hunting accuracy", though. The worst I have seen them shoot in my rifles is 3.5" (.378 Weatherby).
The 185gr .338 XLC started out at 2", I have gotten them down to a consistent 1" by changing reloading techniques. I expect even better from the 225 gr XLC's because they shot 1-1.5" before I changed my ways.

I guess that rifle doesn't like them nor hate them.

Bye
Jack

The Barnes-X shoot like gangbusters in my Krieger cut-rifled barrel, and I bet they will in my new Cutrifle 416 barrel.

The Barnes-X have a great reputation for terminal ballistics, which always make them worth trying in my book.

I think the Barnes bullets are the most sensitive to barrel imperfections and the GS Custom FN and HV are the least sensitive.

FWIW,
Don

US bullets made by Barnes (I use these bullets one time, and never again)

But I don't know accuracy of Barnes "Solid" never try these.

EU bullets Cooppal Lead bullets in all calibers (not hard cast bullets) you can imagine all the rest.

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Barnes, eh ??? Hmmmmmm . . .

I wish I saved some of my 26 moa groups from my 243

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A good group with Barnes "X" is 1-2" on a gun that will shoot .5 groups with other bullets. The clean up is very time consuming, for what. The new XLCs seem to be a little better but they still do not attain the accuracy I get from other bullets.

Steve

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The worst bullets that I ever heard of were the 6.5's made for the 55mm. They were plated or made from some metal that cold welded itself to the case necks. A lot of military rifles were blown up.

On another site (24hourcampfire.com) someone is giving away samples of 275 gr Hawk bullets. The rub is that he says they may have caused the blow up of one of his .35's and a blown case on another .35.

In response to the previous thread about .224 Winchesters .. I bought bulk 55 gr. soft points w/cannelure at $4 per hundred. Loaded them with surplus military brass, BW36 Powder and got .5" groups out of my ruger M77 223. It does have a nice aftermarket trigger, but everything else is factory.

Cheers

George

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I was LOL about the 26 MOA comment. That's about the same level of accuracy in Barnes new manual.

Just my experience
Sooner

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Originally posted by Sooner:
You guys have to be kidding! My 270 will thread a needle with a 130 Barnes "X".
Sooner

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So does my old Sako M98 from 1954: 180 grains X makes POI less than 1" - over irons!

The worst bullet, however, in my own humble experience is the Winchester Silvertip. I shot 180 gr. and 220 gr in a husky .30-06. The 220 made key-holes and the 180 made patterns as a shotgun. The same rifle shot 1" with Norma or RWS ammo.

Best regards,

Fritz

And the worst shooting (and biggest disappointment) of all were Swift Scirrocos! For all the hoopala when they were introduced, I couldn't get them to goup better than three inches out on any rifle I own.

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Originally posted by Zeke:
OK, I'll dare to be different, never used Barnes, never will.
The bullets that consistantly shoot the worst for me are Nosler 130gr Ballistic Tips.
In my rifle they will not group anything near consistant. Bulk Core-Lokts will outgroup them.

ZM

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Something is wrong with your rifle, Ive never seen a .270 that couldn't do 3/4" or better with these bullet's.

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Originally posted by GSF1200:
Something is wrong with your rifle, Ive never seen a .270 that couldn't do 3/4" or better with these bullet's.

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ZM

I seated them into the lands; 0.050" off the lands; 0.025" off; 0.075" off, etc.., no difference. I've pretty much given up on them. Life is too short. And, they wear you out cleaning the copper out of the bore, too

Oh yeah, and they're expensive, too

R-WEST

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DWM

I still tried them and the results were a pattern that had my shotgun fired it, I'd get a new shotgun. All I've been able to use them for is fireforming cases.

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