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Ahhh....did you store that is a cool dry place??

Not my can, the picture is on a photobucket account by this gentleman.

http://s338.photobucket.com/al...Reloading/?start=all

I forgot the thread in which it popped up, but the powder in this can went bad.

I took pictures of a 1992ish IMR 4064 can, then dumped them, but you could see rust spots from powder outgassing. The powder was kept in an interior environment.

Others have reported IMR powders going bad from the 80's.

Gunpowder has a shelf life and that is the point I was trying to make, then it went off in a safety direction.

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Not my can,

I figured it wasn't yours.

It always interesting to see how the level of peoples concerns vary across the country.

Living in Colorado, my basement is a cool 65 degree, and 20% humidity year round, so powder storage isn't a huge concern on my list.

However, where you live in Alabama, your conditions are probably less accomidating. It's easy to see why this concern is higher on your priority list.

Why does anyone care what someone else buys?

And if you run out, why get upset when someone else can sell it to you at the market price at the time? Supply and demand.

They took the risk, now they get the profit. Capitalism at its finest.

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Why does anyone care what someone else buys?

The only one's who seen to care are those who didn't stockup when the rest of us did.

I let my supply run lower than I like.
Now resuppling ..
And I am still suffering from sticker shock!

What happened to $10 a brick primers?
I guess they went the way of $2 a gallon gas.

$35 a brick for CCI's ... anyone doing better?

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:

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Why does anyone care what someone else buys?

The only one's who seen to care are those who didn't stockup when the rest of us did.

Food for thought. No flames intended.

Unnecessary pressure on limited supply artificially raises prices for that commodity.
Purchasing a supply that you can't possibly use in your remaining lifetime is in my book is just such an unnecessary pressure. Which results in higher prices short and long term.
Prices may fall some after the "shortage" but never seem to return to previous levels.
For those who don't care about their fellow shooters it's no big deal, too bad so sad. However for those who care some for their fellow shooters this is of some concern.
We each have to figure where we stand on an issue such as this.
OFF my soap box, again!

muck

Nothing an individual or even the whole shooting society did had as much affect on the price of ammunition and components as did our Federal Government.

The US does not have the industrial capacity it used to and years ago it shut down all of its military emergency mothballed ammunition factories. The WW2 generation learned about not having ammunition but having to fight a war, so they were willing to pay for contingency plants, but later generations closed these plants.

So we went to war and our buds in the Federal Government were willing to pay anything, and I mean anything, to the commercial ammunition manufacturers to make ammunition for their war.

The commercial ammunition makers did not expand capacity, they simply ran their plants at three shifts, to meet war demand.

It was still not enough so the US subcontracted out ammunition to the Koreans.

Anyway, the small segment of US society dedicated to hunting, target shooting had virtually no effect on prices when compared to the amount of tax money spent on ammunition, and we are talking Trillions here, spent by a Government for war material.

You just could not compete against your tax dollars.

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Originally posted by muck:

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:

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Why does anyone care what someone else buys?

The only one's who seen to care are those who didn't stockup when the rest of us did.

Food for thought. No flames intended.

Unnecessary pressure on limited supply artificially raises prices for that commodity.
Purchasing a supply that you can't possibly use in your remaining lifetime is in my book is just such an unnecessary pressure. Which results in higher prices short and long term.
Prices may fall some after the "shortage" but never seem to return to previous levels.
For those who don't care about their fellow shooters it's no big deal, too bad so sad. However for those who care some for their fellow shooters this is of some concern.
We each have to figure where we stand on an issue such as this.
OFF my soap box, again!

muck

I have no idea how many primers I'll use in my lifetime. I shoot 1000X more now than I did 15 years ago.
I have the disposable income now to buy components. In ten years, who knows?

I do care about my fellow shooters. I encourage them to buy in bulk for a rainy day. I encourage folks to buy by the case. But guess what? My pleas fall on deaf ears. To most, a box of ammo will always be down at the local WalMart, or worst case, Dick's. They have the money, but not the desire. I can't, don't, nor want to care more about their ammo situation than they do. So they are on their own. I tried.

As far as 'your book' is concerned, I have some bad news for you. That is not how the markets work. So feel free to cling to it, but be ready to be disappointed.

crap -- i am down to my last 700 small rifle match primers.. that's right, 7 0 0 of them..

i guess i'll invest in some more soon!

One of presses is a Dillon XL650,800-1000 rounds per hour is not uncommon.That being said,having beau-coup primers on hand is part of the meat of the matter.During the last dry up spell (read:election 08)one could not find primers.I did buy a box of 1000 Federals;I had an approximate 2 out of 7 ignition failures.(And yes I tried the .45 ACP rounds in several pieces to make sure where the problem lay.)The skuttlebutt on this is that when we have a shortage,things get outsourced (like to China for instance.)who not have the quality control.Another case in point is a friend of mine who is also an A.R. member who had a little problem out here ion my range with his .470 N.E.,basically,click,click instead of boom,boom. Federal again.On dismanteling the factory ammo we found that in the primer pocket the flash hole had not been drilled.No major issue in your 243 except aggrevation but in a D.G. double...unforgivable.I do NOT have a hard on for Federal Corp.that is not my intent,they are a member of our fraternity.I do want quality control instilled paramount to profits.Here it is election year again + the supplies are starting to become more scarce.Sad,ain't it? Before 1968 we would never have imagined this.

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Food for thought. No flames intended.

Unnecessary pressure on limited supply artificially raises prices for that commodity.
Purchasing a supply that you can't possibly use in your remaining lifetime is in my book is just such an unnecessary pressure. Which results in higher prices short and long term.
Prices may fall some after the "shortage" but never seem to return to previous levels.
For those who don't care about their fellow shooters it's no big deal, too bad so sad. However for those who care some for their fellow shooters this is of some concern.
We each have to figure where we stand on an issue such as this.
OFF my soap box, again!

muck[/QUOTE]

Whoa! I'm supposed to feel guilty if I buy an extra box of primers or bullets? A extra can of powder? I'm supposed to angst that I'm gonna short change a fellow reloader that's wondering around with his head up his ass? I feel about that like I feel about the guy bitching because when he stopped by Walmart ON HIS WAY HUNTING, they didn't have his brand of ammo.
I'm not a hoarder nor a stock piler but I'm not gonna make a trip to the store everytime I sit down to reload.
So put your book away and read a little from mine by ae houseman: ".....while the sun and moon endure, lucks a chance but trouble's sure. I'll face it like a wise man would and plan for ill and not for good...."

So in reading this thread it seems to me that some folks don't keep a good on hand supply and some think selling for profit is bad.

First, I always have a year of supplies on hand. Sometimes more because of buying in bulk; primers are packed by 5K, SMK's are packed by 500's and powder in 8 lb jugs. Sometimes in planning. When an 8 pounder is half empty it's time to look for a new one, when I crack open my last box of SMK's or last 1000 primers it's time to reorder. Similar logic on pistol loading. I also keep a small amount of factory ammo on hand at all times, especially HydraShok ammo.

Second, has anyone bought a gun and sold it later? Did you sell it for what it was worth or what you paid for it? Goughing is wrong, fair market isn't. If I buy 5K of primers for $100 and market price is $30 a thousand, I'll sell a thousand for $30.

I know of a guy who bought a full pallet of 22RF ammo from Walmart.

I am not "down" on someone who puts up an extra few cases of primers.
What I don't get is the guy that may use maybe three or four bricks a year but buys up forty or fifty cases.

Wasbeeman: Don't feel guilty

Duckear: I am not talking about someone who put up a four or so year supply. I am speaking about those who put up twenty or thirty year supply or more.

muck

Profit=good thing.All biz is based on making money.If I get a flyer from a jobber saying XY&z scopes are now 90% off,I buy every one I can afford and sell them for as much as I can.It is called Capitolism.It is what makes the USA great.Of course anyone who does not want to pay my price does not have to buy.
Supply and demand=price.If someone has the foresight to spend their hard earned money on buying 500,000 primers and holds on to them until demand goes up,they are now gougers???WTF everyone has the same opportunity.
Anyone who wants price controls can try living in Cuba and seeing how well that has worked for them!!!!!

You know, I read in some of the threads about guys that buy guns and never shoot them, never even dry fire them. They are "investments".
They put them on a shelf and brag about them. I don't understand people like that.
I have never bought a gun that I did not intend to use, nor a scope, nor any of the other stuff that goes along with shooting. I've never bought a primer, nor a bullet, nor a case that I didn't intend to use myself. But to look at all the crap I've got, you'd have to figure I'm gonna live to be 150yo to get it all used up. But it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling so I don't feel guilty. Actually, I only feel guilty about something if I get caught.

Don't know if this is a lot or not....I just did an inventory

2K small pistol
2K large pistol
5K large rifle magnum
7K large rifle
16K small rifle

48 lbs of variouse powders

For someone that shoots regularly, 2K is not a lot of primers. Especially if he's loading for several rifles. And if you're shooting one of those "platforms", 16K primers ain't a lot.