I'm bett'en on Nosler, they have yet to produce a bad product. I don't know why when something new comes out the dessenters float to the top, Hey I'm all for it, if it were not for companies introducing this inovative stuff we would still be shooting lead balls.

I can't begin to tell you how far bullets have progressed since my early shooting days when everybodys bullets failed as often as they worked.

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I'm bett'en on Nosler, they have yet to produce a bad product. I don't know why when something new comes out the dessenters float to the top, Hey I'm all for it, if it were not for companies introducing this inovative stuff we would still be shooting lead balls.

I can't begin to tell you how far bullets have progressed since my early shooting days when everybodys bullets failed as often as they worked.

So you wouldn't mind being forced to use ONLY non-toxic bullets? How many other pie-in-the-sky demands from the enviro whacko's will we have to tolerate? Our freedoms are quickly going the way of the dinosaur, and we're helping them by embracing these un-needed bullets.

IF we were defending ourselves from enraged grizzlies, or other things that can bite back, then we would need 100% weight retention with deep penetration. Anything else, the cup & core bullets still work. Or the new bonded bullets are better yet.

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Originally posted by grizz:
So you wouldn't mind being forced to use ONLY non-toxic bullets? How many other pie-in-the-sky demands from the enviro whacko's will we have to tolerate? Our freedoms are quickly going the way of the dinosaur, and we're helping them by embracing these un-needed bullets.

I would mind but I would want to have choices.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I'm bett'en on Nosler, they have yet to produce a bad product.

Ray, good to see you back on here.

That said, wish you had been with us on a late cow hunt some years back. A 180 gr. ballistic tip from a 300 Wby simply failed to make any sort of adequate hole in a cow elk, and it took me 7 miles of tracking before bringing her to bag.

I shoot a lot of Noslers, and yes, bullets today are far better than they ever were. But the Boys in Bend do NOT walk on water. JMO, Dutch.

Why did you choose a Btip over a partition for that cow elk? Especially from a Weatherby?

I love the 180 grain Btip in my .300 Win. Mag. but would never think of useing it for Elk. Poor bullet choice in my opinion.

I'm with Ray and Pop. Choice is the spice of life!! There have been lots of new bullets introduced in the last few years - AccuBonds, TSX, Interbonds etc. Most of them are great bullets, and lots of people buy them. Can't see anything wrong with that!

Admittedly, some of the "premium" hunting bullets may not be needed for light game, but you can still buy the regular cup and core products, and as long as enough of us continue to do so, the bullet manufacturers will keep turning them out.

- mike

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Originally posted by Doc:
Why did you choose a Btip over a partition for that cow elk? Especially from a Weatherby?

Wasn't my choice; I wasn't the shooter. At the time, the B-tip was new, and the shooter bought the Nosler hype (prevent battered tips).

10 years later, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and say that the original B-tip was the wrong bullet. At that time, though, Noslers were the toughest bullet out there, and the B-tip was their "latest greatest". Using a 180 grain on a 300 yard shot on elk was not an unreasonable use.

Another way to look at it: if the original B-tip was the way it "should be", why was it changed a couple of years back and given a heavier jacket?

Point is, it pays to be a little skeptical at "latest - greatest" claims. No matter if they come out of Utah or Oregon...... JMO, Dutch.

I don't care WHO Nosler ever copies.. they make great bullets..

I don't always need a premium bullet, but when I do.. I always go Nosler!

Everyone is just trying to copy the Barnes bullet.IMO,the best bullet ever for big game hunting.If the TSX petals break off that's because they have been peeling off backwards right from the tip like a banana peel and have gotten too long.So,it's only normal that they break off.

Yes, everyone is copying Barnes...

Imitation, after all, is the highest form of flattery!

friar

Ballistic tip on a cow elk?????????

I thought Nosler alway's stated that it was design for thin skin game such as deer. I don't ever recall Nosler suggesting using Ballistic Tip bullets for thick skin or heavy game regardless of caliber.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I sure wish Nosler would add a cannelure to that bullet.....I actually like this one! But needs a cannelure

x2

great news though...p.s. any news on a 6.5 version?

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Originally posted by friarmeier:
Yes, everyone is copying Barnes...

Imitation, after all, is the highest form of flattery!

friar

Actually, the Barnes TSX is an inferior copy of the GS Custom HV bullet, which appeared on the market at least 11 years prior to the Barnes.

www.gscustcom.co.za

Perhaps an inferior copy can be considered ham-fisted flattery?

It seems they did not only copy Barnes. I shot these Moeller bullets already in January, 2007.

How did they shoot? Any game tests yet?

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copy Barnes

Who did Barnes 'copy' ? Whether they knew it or not Just when you think someone has a new idea on firearms or ammo you find out ol' Otto von Whomever did it back in 1920 or something like that

Winchester, Remington and a host of others copied Mauser. How many copies of John Brownings basic designs have there been ?

Anyways, good for Nosler on providing yet another non toxic bullet. Now we need to see a bunch more for varmint calibers that are accurate and cost the same as traditional lead bullets.

Barnes 'Varmint Grenade' is essentially a copy of what Corbin and custom bullet makers have been playing with for years. The concept is the same, powdered tin/copper in a copper jacket.

I am confused.Barnes is supposed to been making monometal bullets for some time.Does anyone know who was the first to introduce monometal or pure copper bullets for various calibers?

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Originally posted by Doc:
How did they shoot? Any game tests yet?

You can find the detailled report on the link I indicated above.

Like all Moeller KJG bullets they are usually very precise and can be loadad, since lighter than usual lead bullets, VERY fast, just look at the figures. They killed those Finnish whitetailed deer quite well.

I guess many bullet manufacturers are getting ready for the eventual restrictions on lead based bullets - brought to us all by the great Unitied Socialist State of Kalifornia (USSK).

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You can find the detailled report on the link I indicated above.

Yeah,,, IF you can read German or Finnish or whatever that language is!

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Originally posted by Fjold:
I like monometal bullets because they are long for their weight so they have better sectional density and out penetrate lead bullets of similar weight.

All bullets of the same wieght and caliber have the same sectional density. A longer more streamlined bullet of the same wieght and caliber will have a higher BC........

I have always loved Nosler bullets as they have just always plain worked for me. I could careless if it has a cannelure or not.
All the thousands and thousands of animals that have been killed with nosler bullets did not stop and say, Oh I better not die this bullet doesn't have a cannelure

I will try the Nosler E-tip, and look forward to them making it in heavy, large bullets. I believe the Barnes MRX is the result of admitting their TSX bullet, which improved accuracy and fouling, was dismal in the BC category. The MRX seems to be aimed at the WSM short fat craze....or overall length wouldn't matter so much.

I hope Nosler brings out a .308 200g E-tip, a .338 250g, and .375 300g. I'll happily purchase all those types...and if they shoot as well as the accubonds we'll all really have something!

Just my $.02

Cheers,

Dan

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Ballistic tip on a cow elk?????????

I thought Nosler alway's stated that it was design for thin skin game such as deer. I don't ever recall Nosler suggesting using Ballistic Tip bullets for thick skin or heavy game regardless of caliber.

Well Based on a Teenager, bringing the wrong ammo.. we had to elk hunt with a ballistic tip loaded down to 30/30 speeds in a 30/06 or just not hunt.. so we took the Ballistic Tips...

Well on a broadside shot, on a running elk at 175 yds, it dropped a large cow, that was weighed by the state of Montana at 650lbs..

The ballistic tip, with an MV of 2250 fps, penetrated behind the right shoulder... went thru and turned the right lung into hamburger, cut the esophagus in two, turned the left lung and upper part of the liver into a bowl of spaghetti.. and was bulged on the far side of the hide...the Elk ran 60 yds, and collapsed.. down for the count.. the Montana F & W, told us that the cow was 11 yrs old according to the tooth that they cut out of it...

That 165 grain low speed ballistic tip did just FINE!!! on a large animal...

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Originally posted by Dan H:


I hope Nosler brings out a .308 200g E-tip, a .338 250g, and .375 300g. I'll happily purchase all those types...and if they shoot as well as the accubonds we'll all really have something!

Just my $.02

Cheers,

Dan

DITTO!!