Not much happening around here. WHY?


MOA.

Mostly because shooters try to duplicate jacketed results, fail miserably, condenm cast bullets as being a waste of time and move on to take up knitting

I just love a full night casting bullets from 55gn .22 to 650gn 50cal.

I would suggest a couple of reasons.

When it's a hundred-and-somethinerother degrees out, casting bullets or going to the range to test them is not high on the fun-list. Most folks, me included are waiting for the weather to break.

Secondly, a person only has so much information to share. I shoot cast bullets for fun, score and hunting but I'm no expert. Ask a specific question and I'll offer an answer if I have one. Offer information that I'm interested in and I'll ask a question. In other words, this site and others like it offer a dialog.

Lastly, I notice that you are a new member with 3 posts to your name. New folks with fresh ideas, questions and answers are always needed. Don't be just a lurker, jump in. Offer what you have. Ask about what you want to know.

Because most casters believe in old wive's tales, so forum posts consist mostly of repeating the old wives tales over and over again.

A few examples from this forum:

1)wheelweight is not a good bullet alloy.

2)wheelweight has to be cast hot.

3)Lee bottom pour pots are wonderful.

4)size the bullet to fit the barrel.

5)if a lube is as hard as a crayon, that's all it's good for.

6)you should add tin to wheelweight to improve fill.

7)Elmer Keith said __________ (fill in the blank).

In all seriousness, I like the Accurate forum because I like the way Saeed runs it, because there are a few intelligent people here, and there are a few worthwhile threads now and then. For example, I got a kick out of the thread about the guy using a drill press and a bathroom scale to measure BHN. I thought that was creative. I like to read product evaluations written by real people who aren't trying to sell you someting. 9 out of 10 threads are just hot air and/or old wives tales, but that's background noise that you learn to filter out.

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Originally posted by Bad Ass Wallace:
Mostly because shooters try to duplicate jacketed results, fail miserably, condenm cast bullets as being a waste of time and move on to take up knitting .

OK roger

Wallace your sure post some purdy pictures around the net. You look like a diehard.

Well done.

MOA.

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Originally posted by popenmann:
Because most casters believe in old wive's tales, so forum posts consist mostly of repeating the old wives tales over and over again.

A few examples from this forum:

1)wheelweight is not a good bullet alloy.

2)wheelweight has to be cast hot.

3)Lee bottom pour pots are wonderful.

4)size the bullet to fit the barrel.

5)if a lube is as hard as a crayon, that's all it's good for.

6)you should add tin to wheelweight to improve fill.

7)Elmer Keith said __________ (fill in the blank).

In all seriousness, I like the Accurate forum because I like the way Saeed runs it, because there are a few intelligent people here, and there are a few worthwhile threads now and then. For example, I got a kick out of the thread about the guy using a drill press and a bathroom scale to measure BHN. I thought that was creative. I like to read product evaluations written by real people who aren't trying to sell you someting. 9 out of 10 threads are just hot air and/or old wives tales, but that's background noise that you learn to filter out.

Well said. Old wives tales is what most of cast bullet shooting is anyway.

Seems like a refugee for 'on the cheap' wanna bees this cast bullet stuff. Or that segment that wants the loading etc handed to them on a platter.

IMO the intelligent cast shooter moves on... and then off these boards. [?]


MOA.

MOA.

"Talk is cheap it takes money to buy whiskey. Do it and than talk about it. Emil to roger"


My favorite is "oats that have been thru the horse once cost a little less". Used to offset a skinflint working a price lower.

MOA.

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Originally posted by popenmann:
1)wheelweight is not a good bullet alloy.

2)wheelweight has to be cast hot.

3)Lee bottom pour pots are wonderful.

4)size the bullet to fit the barrel.

5)if a lube is as hard as a crayon, that's all it's good for.

6)you should add tin to wheelweight to improve fill.

7)Elmer Keith said __________ (fill in the blank).

I only scored 4 out of 7 on the test. I guess I'll have to study some more.

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Originally posted by M Pursell:

quote:

Originally posted by popenmann:
1)wheelweight is not a good bullet alloy.

2)wheelweight has to be cast hot.

3)Lee bottom pour pots are wonderful.

4)size the bullet to fit the barrel.

5)if a lube is as hard as a crayon, that's all it's good for.

6)you should add tin to wheelweight to improve fill.

7)Elmer Keith said __________ (fill in the blank).

I only scored 4 out of 7 on the test. I guess I'll have to study some more.

Mark which of those 3 do you believe? Just interested to see.


MOA.

Part of the problem is aslo that many shooters feel that casting gear cost lots of money. In this day of high petrol prices every dollar counts right.
My casting outfit cost just $30 years ago but if I were building another I'd start at the junk yard for the bits. Bit of steel, high pressure burner ($3 at a trash & treasure) cast iron pot from army disposal $6.95

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A few examples from this forum:

1)wheelweight is not a good bullet alloy.

That's baloney! It's a great bullet metal.

2)wheelweight has to be cast hot.

Not necessarily so. I feel it depends on the mold. Some of my molds do like WW hotter than other molds.

3)Lee bottom pour pots are wonderful.

Yeah. So was the Edsel. To be honest though, ny mew Lyman pot leaks a lot worse than my Lee. I only use the Lee now for small jobs making small bullets.

4)size the bullet to fit the barrel.

I prefer .002" over groove diameter. If I can, I try to xcast a bullet that fits the throat.

5)if a lube is as hard as a crayon, that's all it's good for.

Maybe at 20 below zero. Here in Tucson, we shoot in 110 degree weather and the hard lubes perform much better. At those temperatures, the vaunted Alox lubes can run.

6)you should add tin to wheelweight to improve fill.

It depends. Much current WW metal has a lot less tin in it than WW made, say in 1973. The older weights also have more antimony as well. I have WW metal from a batch I bought from a tire shop in 1973. They cast bullets that are 14 BHN on my LBT tester. Current WW if gotten range from 8 to 12 BHN, definitely much softer.

7)Elmer Keith said __________ (fill in the blank).

Who cares? I've gone from the Jack O'Connor high velocity thoughts to Elmer's big bore ideas. Guess what? Both have merit. I think it depends on your style of hunting. Mine varies enough that I can eitgher go with the .270 for deer or a .35 Whelen, ot even a .375 H&H should I so desire. All three will take deer and elk, even moose if I do my part and place the bullet in the right place.

Right now, I'm trying to find a proper load for a .35 Whelen and a 270 gr. cast bullet to use on elk. I'll most likely use my dwindling hoard of 1973 WW to make up the load. Why? because they have worked beautifully on deer in my 30-30 at full power loadings. That 270 gr. bullet from the Whelen will just about be in that same velocity range, so I'd expect the same kind of performance.
I've been shooting home cast bullets since 1954 in both rifle and handgun. If someone askes a question and I can answer it, I will. If I can't? I say nothing.
Paul B.

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Mark which of those 3 do you believe? Just interested to see.
MOA.

If a mold doesn't fill out properly with wheelweights, run it hotter or add tin. I tend to do both as a precautionary measure. Sort of like taking an aspirin every day.

I don't have a Lee furnace, but for the price, how can you beat it?

Size the bullet to fit the barrel. What else would you size it to? I include the throat as that's part of the barrel. I'd concede that a revolver throat is not actually part of the barrel, but that's just nit picking.

Maybe hard lube is OK, I don't know. I do know that before I began casting my own, I dug plenty of store bought cast bullets out of the backstop that still had lube grooves full of colored crayon. If it's still in the groove, what good did it do?

The older I get, the more I like Elmer Keith. And I liked him alot 25 years ago.

[QUOTE] IMO the intelligent cast shooter moves on... and then off these boards. [?] [QUOTE]

Move on to where? When it comes to learning about something (and learning never stops), there is books and there is talking to other people. The internet is talking to other people. You do have to sort through a few lumps of coal but there are a lot of diamonds for the picking.

If a mold doesn't fill out properly with wheelweights, run it hotter or add tin. I tend to do both as a precautionary measure. Sort of like taking an aspirin every day.

Seldom will you find a batch of ww alloy not capable of good slugs. I do tend to add 20% lino for the antimony for high velocity.

I don't have a Lee furnace, but for the price, how can you beat it?

You can't for the price but they require tuning, just like the Lee molds. And the replacement elements are cheap.

Size the bullet to fit the barrel. What else would you size it to? I include the throat as that's part of the barrel. I'd concede that a revolver throat is not actually part of the barrel, but that's just nit picking.

Just lawyer speak. Yet bullet to bore fit needs tuning usually with each barrel. I start 2 thou over with hard bullets.

Maybe hard lube is OK, I don't know. I do know that before I began casting my own, I dug plenty of store bought cast bullets out of the backstop that still had lube grooves full of colored crayon. If it's still in the groove, what good did it do?

It sealed combustion gases from coming forward. No gas cutting present means the lube did the job. Still pistol designs often carry allot of lube, harking to the olden days when something like bear grease was used in a pinch.

The older I get, the more I like Elmer Keith. And I liked him alot 25 years ago.

Elmer has his fans but I'm not counted among them. More style than substance.

i like my lee production pot ! i have never tried ladle pouring but as clumsy as i am i'd prolly get burned ...... the bottom pour spout on my outfit seems like the best way to cast bullets to me..... as for alloy i use 100% recovered indoor range lead.... i do have a huge bar of linotype but i don't know if i'll ever even use it...... i have several thousand bullets cast already an i'll prolly use off them for yrs..... i don't get to shoot nearly as often as i'd like .....


LIFE IS SHORT.....

I have a Lee and a Lyman...Lee holds temp better, but Lyman heats quicker. My new trick is to use my propane burner and a 50 pound pot to heat and then use the Lee to pour from and refill out of the big pot 5 pounds at a time and flux both pots as I transfer PB.

About 20 years ago I got on a kick that there wasn't anything I couldn't kill with a well placed 429421. I was right and so was Elmer. I used a Dan Wesson 8" HB with a 2x Leupold as a delivery system. It worked from grouse to elk and caribou. One weekend in the hands of 3 different people, it killed 6 Afognak blacktails. Last thing I killed was a Corsican Ram running at 60 yds. I hit him high and broke his spine and had to shoot him twice...only time I needed two shots....my fault, not the bullet! 22 grains of 2400 and a WW 429421 is what Elmer used and it worked for me too. Try it you'll like it!!

hi everyone,
getting back to the question of why there"s not much on here-
i just looked at this section recently to find some info, as i"m looking to cast heavier bullets for my .44(all i can buy is 240 grain),
but i"ve been on the site for ages, and i"ve never clicked on the casting section.
i think people nowadays are just too busy! i can barely get time to shoot, never mind cast.
if i get time to load some rounds during the week, then that"s great, but to set up the gas, heat moulds, melt/flux lead, cast some defective bullets before you get everything right, and so on. it all takes time. i"d love to get more into it, and i"m waiting on my .44 mould coming,but if i have a choice between sneaking off for 2 hours on a saturday afternoon to shoot, or casting bullets, i"ll buy some bullets or factory rounds and go shoot!
good shooting

" i"d love to get more into it, and i"m waiting on my .44 mould coming,but if i have a choice between sneaking off for 2 hours on a saturday afternoon to shoot, or casting bullets, i"ll buy some bullets or factory rounds and go shoot!"


Probably a big reason for cast bullets' growth limited to a small group of diehards. Time. Never enough.


MOA.

All, While it's true that there's a learning curve with CB's and it is time-consuming to cast and size & lube bullets, is it steeper, more labor-intensive (or more expensive) than that of most hobbies? Also, it seems to me that membership in the Cast Bullet Assoc. is growing so obviously its members have the time to indulge their hobby/avocation. Lastly, is it possible this site is so "dead" because many casters post on the Cast Bullets/Gunloads site? ...Maven

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Lastly, is it possible this site is so "dead" because many casters post on the Cast Bullets/Gunloads site?

You mean that censored sight? Post something not in vogue and watch your PM box fill. It's comic. First some over lathered fool and then the uptight 'moderator' stuff that box. Of course the fools that have been around forever post what they want and say what they want. Some of the chumminess is well over done too.

A democracy lovin' place so long as you agree with their status quo. Reminds me of an old woman's knitting club.

MOA.

MOA Shooter, I've been posting on this sight for several (3?) years and never had a problem re: censorship, but then again I never experienced it on the Shooters'Talk and Aimoo sites (predecesscors to the current CB site) either. Why I don't even get that many PM's of any type, let alone those of the morally outraged. As for the alleged chumminess, you have to realize that 5 or 6 years ago there weren't many sites that catered to CB shooters except maybe that of the CBA (which was run by a true martinet/zealot/censor from what I've read) and Shooters' Talk. As I wasn't at all impressed by the CBA site then (and now), I began reading then posting on the Shooters' site. The point is that after 5 or 6 years, we've become familiar with each other through our postings, PM's and e-mails. We've become an electronic or cyber- community in a manner of speaking (with unwritten, but very real rules and etiquette or "netiquette" if you prefer, just like actual communities) and I rather like it. As for censorship of topics [on the CB Gunloads site], I want to learn about cast bullets and factors that impinge on them so that I may also become a MOA shooter. I certainly don't want to read the political, religious, ethnic/racial opinions if I may even dignify them with that word of some who post there.

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Originally posted by tasco 74:
i like my lee production pot ! i have never tried ladle pouring but as clumsy as i am i'd prolly get burned ...... the bottom pour spout on my outfit seems like the best way to cast bullets to me..... as for alloy i use 100% recovered indoor range lead.... i do have a huge bar of linotype but i don't know if i'll ever even use it...... i have several thousand bullets cast already an i'll prolly use off them for yrs..... i don't get to shoot nearly as often as i'd like .....


LIFE IS SHORT.....

Tasco. Some molds will never cast a good bullet from a bottom pour pot, and the only way to get a decent bullet is by using a ladle. Lyman's #311359 (I think that's the #) is a roughly 115 gr. gas check bullet with a very pointy nose. Using either my Lyman or Lee pot, I have never gotten a decent bullet, regardless of what I tried. yet, with the ladle, I get a perfect cast every time.
A lot of us started out with a pot on the Coleman stove and a ladle as it was all we could afford. I started casting in 1954 using a ladle, and I didn't get a bottom pour pot until right around 1975, a ten pould Lee Production Pot. I still have it along with a Lyman 20 pound pot. lately though, I find myself returning to the ladle more often, at least with my single cavity molds.
What it all boils down to is whatever works for you.
Paul B.

Congratulations to the topic starter for saying that his opinions represent the opinions of the majority -- or even a plurality. That indubitably wins the prize for being the most illogical and vitriolic thing I've ever heard. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean him personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must reach out for things with permanence, things beyond wealth and comfort and pleasure, things that have real meaning. How can we trust him if he doesn't trust us? We can't. And besides, he should clarify his point, so people like you and me can tell what the heck he's talking about. Without clarification, his bons mots sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense.

Waksupi, what??? Could you please translate that into English.

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Originally posted by M Pursell:
Waksupi, what??? Could you please translate that into English.

Yes. Please do. Stylish and original though.

No complaint with Waksupi's PM's. But your not the only person doing the moderating don't you know. Then you have the self appointed moderators who whine about every view they don't like. Just say it out in the open... PM's are sorta chicken sh**.

MOA.

Mark, Waksupi was addressing MOA Shooter's summary judgement of the Cast Bullets site. His post begins with "You mean that sight (sic). Post something not in vogue and watch your PM box fill." It then condemns the censors, whoever they are, and moderator.

" It then condemns the censors, whoever they are, and moderator" writes Maven.


Moderators. Plural my good man. And not all of them. Just the uptights who think they can bully someone new on the site into their views.

To be plain. Waksupi was not the moderator the post was about. Actually his PM's were very cordial. Someone whose posts I will read.

I'm the reason that free for all section over there sez no Religion, Sex etc. Of course that isn't applied when someone else posts beside me. And then the nuts rant and it's just fine. Just humorous to me.

MOA.

And 292 hits on the topic in only 3 days. It's one way to get some traffic from that 'training wheels cast site" over there.


MOA.

MOA Shooter, I reread all of your posts on anything on the "training wheels cast site" and didn't anything offensive in them. Isn't it possible that your comments re religion, etc. were misinterpreted because they were written, not verbal, where you have facial expression (sometimes) and voice inflection to guide you? However, why condemn an entire site because of the comments of a few (and yes, every site has such posters.) Why not just ignore them, or if you're really irate, write a rejoinder? However, that sort of thing doesn't answer the question you posed and may even drive posters away. The point, then, is to write about CB's, is it not, or do we want another "dead" site?

shhh! dont let people know that pre expanded five cent bullets work! keep them thinking we are a bunch of know nothing hicks while they pay $3 each for a "mono-monolithic solid" thems fancy terms for expensive elmer keith copy

bad ass wallace...stop making us jealous with all those pics...p.s. handle and gif i love yosemite sam...i think he is my alter ego

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Originally posted by MOA Shooter:
Not much happening around here. WHY?


MOA.

Most of the activity is on the cast boolit site, that's simply where the traffic is at. When they have had problems with there server, then traffic get's heavier hear, when things are running smooth, they post over there.

I can gurantee this forum has never been moderated, I simply got that title when I asked Saeed to add a cast bullet forum here. I've never edited a post or pm'd somebody to watch their p's and q's. As far as other posters expressing that they don't like something you or someone else says, well thats a two way street.

If you want this place to be busier, post away. I was out on vacation the previous week, and a boat project has sidelined most of my casting and shooting. I should be getting a new mold any day and will be reporting back on it as soon as I cast some up and get some down range.

This site formerly had the world's leading authority---the true brain trust of cast bullets. Then a deal on Lee molds had a delay in delivery due to this persons health,but he was accused of taking the money and running---something he would never do. Because of this accusation he vanished to never be heard from again and the board suffered from this huge loss.

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Originally posted by Paul Brasky:
MOA Shooter, I reread all of your posts on anything on the "training wheels cast site" and didn't anything offensive in them. Isn't it possible that your comments re religion, etc. were misinterpreted because they were written, not verbal, where you have facial expression (sometimes) and voice inflection to guide you? However, why condemn an entire site because of the comments of a few (and yes, every site has such posters.) Why not just ignore them, or if you're really irate, write a rejoinder? However, that sort of thing doesn't answer the question you posed and may even drive posters away. The point, then, is to write about CB's, is it not, or do we want another "dead" site?

So this eve we're at 400+ views of this thread. Better get a stop and go light with this kind of traffic.

My poking fun at the training wheels site is just that. A laugh at some of the uptights who pretend to lord over those unwashed types. The stiffs on the far right who can't even handle a different way of expressing an opinion even minus flaming etc. It's just purely comic.

Paul total the posts of the TWS [Training Wheels Site] and your actual posts of cast bullets is a minority. Threads drift off topic, the nutcases rant, but so long as the mental migetry is small enough and in step it passes. Now you might note I've passed along some info gained by reading all I can about cast. But any attempt to censor a point of view needs the full light of day. This is my current goal. Let'm all know.

IMO it's pure chicken sh** to PM a newcomer and try to bully a poster for a point of view your tired ass doesn't like on TWS. [I've noted the exception above]. Democracy means for everyone boys. Not just the low tail wagging types and yes men. You forget this: move to Iran or Russia or some other clique club with only one voice.

MOA.

MOA Shooter, you remind me of a little boy who gets invited to a neighbor's house and starts running around knocking things down and generally raising hell. Of course he gets yelled at and sent home. He runs home crying and his mommy asks "what's wrong" and the little boy says "dey wus mean to me!!". When you are on a forum you are a GUEST in somebody else's house. You should act accordingly. You also are in need of a dictionary. A true democracy is "majority rules". Your PM box should have told you that you were in the minority. You may go in the corner and pout some more, you poor baby!! Or as an alternative you could grow up!!

BK

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Originally posted by bravokilo:
MOA Shooter, you remind me of a little boy who gets invited to a neighbor's house and starts running around knocking things down and generally raising hell. Of course he gets yelled at and sent home. He runs home crying and his mommy asks "what's wrong" and the little boy says "dey wus mean to me!!". When you are on a forum you are a GUEST in somebody else's house. You should act accordingly. You also are in need of a dictionary. A true democracy is "majority rules". Your PM box should have told you that you were in the minority. You may go in the corner and pout some more, you poor baby!! Or as an alternative you could grow up!!

BK

LOL. Your the best hacket boy the TWS could send? Is that your best shot or did your wife write it?

C'mon boys. Some originality at least!

MOA.

MOA's rejoinders require a two-part response: first, a clarification of the prognosis implied by my previous letter; and second, a commentary on MOA's own prognoses. If you disagree with my claim that we have to consider all of our options, then read no further. Whether or not he should invade every private corner and force every thought into a churlish mold ought to be a simple question, far beyond the realm of debate. However, once one begins thinking about free speech, about venal obdurate-types who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own deluded beliefs, one realizes that if you're interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery, cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which he may support international crime while purporting to oppose it in the blink of an eye, then you'll want to consider the following very carefully. You'll especially want to consider that if you've read any of the out-of-touch, scummy slop that MOA has concocted, you'll unquestionably recall MOA's description of his plan to violate values so important to our sense of community. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we unmistakably have to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of MOA and his irresponsible ventures. I may not be perfect, but at least I'm not afraid to say that MOA presents himself as a disinterested classicist lamenting the infusion of politically motivated methods of pedagogy and analysis into higher education. He is eloquent in his denunciation of modern scholarship, claiming it favors flighty moonstruck-types. And here we have the ultimate irony, because nothing makes my blood boil more than seeing him defy the rules of logic. Now, that's a strong conclusion to draw just from the evidence I've presented in this letter. So let me corroborate it by saying that in asserting that he is a perpetual victim of injustice, he demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision. If MOA were paying attention -- which it would seem he is not, as I've already gone over this -- he'd see that his propositions manifest themselves in two phases. Phase one: prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture. Phase two: lionize the worst kinds of cruel saboteurs there are. We should give him a taste of his own medicine. Here, too, the exception proves the rule: Given a choice of having him call for a return to that which wasn't particularly good in the first place or having my bicuspids extracted sans Novocaine, I, not being one of the many predaceous, repugnant sybarites of this world, would embrace the pliers, purchase some Polident Partials, and call it a day.

MOA's press releases were never about tolerance and equality. That was just window dressing for the "innocents". Rather, MOA simply regurgitates the empty arguments that have been fed to him over the years. I could write pages on the subject, but the following should suffice. The outcome of the struggle will ultimately be decided based on the number and influence of people fully informed about MOA's smear tactics, committed to MOA's defeat, and organized under sound leadership. Yes, I could add that his constant whining and yammering is a background noise that never seems to go away, but I wanted to keep my message simple and direct. I didn't want to distract you from the main thrust of my message, which is that MOA's foot soldiers' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be. This march into debauched, brown-nosing racism is not happening by mere chance. It is not, as many oleaginous rotters insist, the result of the natural, inevitable course of things. It is happening as a direct result of MOA's passive-aggressive solutions. This letter has gone on far too long, in my opinion, and probably yours as well. So let me end it by saying merely that if MOA's comrades are frightened that MOA might tell everyone else what to do by next weekend, they have only themselves to blame.
Although you give me a pass as cordial, I must look at the subject as a whole.

Ric, why did you do that? Do you have any idea how long it is going to take his mommy to look up all those words AND explain them to him in itty bitty words that he can understand? I do feel sorry for her.

BK

Ric that's a nice cut and paste. Not much for sense though. If you want I'll help with a rewrite. I have to guess your taking up the practice of law? Or reading allot of back issues of Vogue?

A friend has a ton of old Vogue's in his outhouse, but we don't read them.

MOA.

PaulH---Back at the old Shooters the powers at be once asked if we wanted moderators. I am against censorship--let the members handle the problems--they will. I was very vocal against having moderators. So as a joke I was quasi moderator of the cast bullet board. I did get censored at AIMOO once and quit posting there. With your never censoring nor PMing anyone,I'd say you are doing a fine job.