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The Canadian’s that served in Afghanistan distinguished themselves just like their forefathers did in previous wars. Soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines (from any country) do not get to pick the battles their governments choose to send them into. For whatever their reason, the Canadian government chose to sit out Iraq, but I have no doubt in my mind that had they not done so, the Canadian soldiers would have served as well and as honorably there as they did in Afghanistan where they fought, bled, and died right along side our young men. | |||
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Heck, they will even sell you a SSDS candidate Scope! -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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I wonder who US Optics stole this design from? They already got their tit in a ringer by stealing the design of the Unertl USMC sniper scope, and they had to pay Unertl a royalty on every one they sold. The other unethical stunt they pulled was in marking their “rip-off†Unertl scopes “USMC.†Not the kind of company I would choose to do business with. | |||
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I don't think you have the facts right on this one, but it really doesn't matter. I've dealt with them for nearly 15 years, and know the parties intimately and even that doesn't matter. I do like their scopes though. What does matter is that they build a great scope! Here is one of mine:  and a couple more: (If I could find a better scope, I would buy it!)  and just for grins, one final one:  -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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DCMI* I’m happy that you’re happy...but my facts are 100% correct. If you look at the logo design on the left side of the turret housing on US optics rip-off Unertl scope you have to look closely to tell the difference between it and the Unertl logo. This was a total rip-off and they are paying for it. They were forced to pay royalty payments on each and every Unertl rip-off scope they sold. If you doubt that call Unertl and ask them. That tells me allot about the character (or lack of) of the company. | |||
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Didn't Paul Mauser and Co. get royalties from the Springfield 03 after a lawsuit? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Libertatis Aequilibritas | |||
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Yeah, for the stripper clips...not for exactly duplicating the Mauser rifle and going so far as creating a “lookalike†Mauser logo so people would confuse the 1903 with a Mauser. Big difference, in my opinion. | |||
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Gentlemen, I do not want to ruffle any feathers here. I have been involved in this "Sniper Stuff" for about 23 years. Variable power scopes for the US Marines are long over due. Fixed power scopes are more rugged, but variable power scopes offer a such a great advantage, that they are a must have in todays world. There are many different brands that would do an excellent job. S&B scopes are as good as any. I have used S&B scopes for over 25 years.[ Before I was "officially" a "sniper".] I have used many other, and currently use several different type of "sniper" scopes. I have delt personally with Hans Bender, He is a stand up guy. They make a great scope. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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small fish Please elaborate on your feelings about the Leupold scopes. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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There are a few things that I don't understand a Leupold. If like the USMC you feel that S&B defines the modern sniper scope with it's submission of the SSDO candidate/operator, then you will see over the last fifteen years Leupold has had to play some serious catch up. Look at their time line for the introduction of such features as European Style Eyepiece Quick Focus, reliable and repeatable knob technologies, Wide travel erectors, FFP Reticles, Lit reticles, robust construction (Hunting scope to Military grade), glass reticles, Military grade high resolution optics, etc. While they have been working feverishly to upgrade their technology by adopting leading edge technologies that have been employed by S&B, Zeiss, and others, it has been a slow process where they seem to have been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era. Why they have been so slow to do this is a real puzzle to me. On the positive side Leupolds investment in modern production equipment means that their quality and economies of scale makes their product a price leader in the premium scope world, something that the government and average scope buyer finds very attractive.  (Knights Armament Photo) Of course, this has not been a problem for me as I don't use them.   M70 CFA 7mm WSM, USO SN-3 3.2-17x44/58 with Horus H-25. Lilja 3 grove 28" long, Jewel 1 pound single stage and McMillan A-5 stock. Load is 63.5 VV N165, F215M, Berger 180VLD (.698) at 2935 fps. -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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DMCI I would have to agree with you. After the Leupold Fixed Mark 4 scopes came out I had a talk with the Leupold people about a variable power Mark 4 Their reply was that "There is no Market for them". DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Leupold lost out on the original contract with the USMC when they adopted the Unertl because they would not make the requested modifications to the scope they provided for the tests. The argument over fixed vs variable for snipers will probably never be answered to everyone’s satisfaction...and the only opinions that will ultimately count are those of the guys using them in combat. The fixed power Unertl’s have been used in more conflicts and probably have dropped more bad guys than any other scope out there...and I have never heard of any of them breaking down or failing to get the job done. If these new scopes can match that performance then God-Bless them. | |||
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Seems like today they are singing a different tune, doesn't it. There is nothing like real world operations to put the issue of the Tactical Variable in perspective. I was approached by a local SWAT Operator at a match last spring. He knew that I was a User/Fan of USO scopes, and he has new mission requirements as a result of some post 911 issues. Following our discussions that day, I lent him one of my SN-3s for test and evaluation. Well, test is putting it mildly! Here are two of his reports:
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PS: As shown in the above pictures, the gentleman is now also employing one of McMillans new M40A1-3 stocks. -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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M1911A1Shooter I know about the quality Snipers & Soldiers that Canada has & I appreciate your service! I also know of many good hunters & ranchers, especially in Alberta, Sask.& Manatoba, at least most of them I know are from those Provinces. It is unfortunate that currently your government is ran by a bunch of knee-jerk Liberals with their stupid laws & ideas. I hope that the "average Joe" up there can take the gov. back & it can become a gov. of the people again. Thanks for the post & the pictures! | |||
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Dammn I hate to see US going to equiptment made offshore. | |||
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Nice pic Pete...bet that "deer" never heard it comming. | |||
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Several years ago I got a USO 35mm scope (24X?)with a 50BMG I bought. It didn't match any model they had listed so I called USO about some informantion on the scope. They had no idea which model it was. Oh yeah, they built it but that was all they knew. As I remember I talked to someone who identified himself as VP. Anything Worth Doing Is Worth Overdoing. | |||
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It is important that we support the economy. Record unemployment and cost of social programs and rising medical costs make it important that full employement be realized as a goal. Besides the German Companies do appreciate our business!  -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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If you only knew how much of it really does go over to different countries!! It would blow your mind---just 1 example the FA/22 only has 1 supplier of the MLG tires and they are made in France ONLY!! | |||
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It’s always amazed me how/why any country (not just the USA) would put themselves in the position of having to rely on another country to supply their military???????????? Especially with the musical-chair game going on where todays allies are tomorrows enemies. | |||
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Hey M1911a1Shooter, have PDWDTI gone broke or something? it's been 16 months since i ordered a 408 timberwolf, and now they are not even returning emails? could make the mrsws contract a bit sticky.... thsnks. I'm a medic, not a doctor. a doctor will save your life, a medic will make you comfortable while you die. | |||
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i stand corrected, i spoke to Ross of PGWDTI a few days ago, and they have been busy finalising a few contracts. i hope this post didnt start any nasty rumors, as these guys do a hell of a job! true quality takes time. a hunter without patience is called a bench rester.  just kidding! | |||
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The Marine Corps decides what goes on their M40’s not the DOD or some defense procurement type at the Pentagon. The M40’s are designed and built by the Corps and whatever goes into or onto those rifles is what the Corps has decided is the best available. | |||
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