How about:



International Sporting and Conservation Alliance



Tell me, who does this not include? And it can do what I have always said will eventually need to be done, which is to include fishers. This way no one needs to rename the organization when it happens.

for local chapters:

ISCA - Wyoming Chapter
ISCA - France
ISCA - Botswana



Easy to say, totally inclusive, and obfuscatory enough to not repel anyone by the name. And 'Alliance" connotes positivity (allies work for a GOOD cause), not defense - which is how we should be rebranding our whole outlook on this issue.

Definitely get the two words Safari and Trophy out of any title.

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Definitely get the two words Safari and Trophy out of any title.

It hurts my heart to think we have to make this choice, but must agree with Jim.
Times have changed & we must adapt or disappear.
I used to post photos of my whitetail deer on the walls in my conv. stores, have not even consider doing that for 7 or 8 years now.
It's not the antis I don't want to upset, it's the non hunting public I want to be considerate of & not offend.

jdollar,

Yes, I think SCI will care. The real question is whether SCI will survive.

I am serious about that. DSC split off a number of years ago and has demonstrated its ability to succeed on its own. It has grown exponentially. I suspect it will continue to do so and that this effort to gain chapters will get a lot of support.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
jdollar,

Yes, I think SCI will care. The real question is whether SCI will survive.

I am serious about that. DSC split off a number of years ago and has demonstrated its ability to succeed on its own. It has grown exponentially. I suspect it will continue to do so and that this effort to gain chapters will get a lot of support.

I think SCI cares and will survive. As mentioned earlier, I also think there is room for multiple hunting groups (SCI, NRA, DSC) especially when individuals belong to multiple groups.

And I see SCI's membership dwindling while DSC is growing, but DSC still has a long road ahead to get to SCI type membership numbers.

Dallas Sportsmen for Conservation, DSC

If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

100% in agreement. This is why I raised the question.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

100% in agreement. This is why I raised the question.

If you want to remove "Dallas" and "Safari" and not say anything about hunting--What will we be?

"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Kinda defeats the purpose , doesn't it?

Who said anything about saying nothing about hunting ?

The point is if DSC is going to be a national or international organization, why have Dallas in the name? Sounds limiting.

If the idea is to appeal to ALL hunters, having safari in the name does not help it appeal to ALL hunters.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

100% in agreement. This is why I raised the question.

If you want to remove "Dallas" and "Safari" and not say anything about hunting --What will we be?

"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Kinda defeats the purpose , doesn't it?

Could you please point out where I said, "not say anything about hunting".

I recommended the removal or reference to the words trophy and safari. The reason for that is very apparent if you care to read he information included in the study about hunting attitudes done by the NRA.

What percentage of hunters in say Pennsylvania who have never hunted outside that State are members of DSC or SCI do you think? I know many that aren't.

Those same hunters would define the word safari as being a game hunt in Africa. That is not something they can relate to nor do they care to defend the practice.

Our strength as hunters or hunting organizations drop when we don't agree with each other or support each other.

When trophy or safari is included in the title of an organization it helps define the organization.

Ducks Unlimited does not have hunting in their name but what percentage of members are hunters?

Cheers
Jim

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"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Now that was funny.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

100% in agreement. This is why I raised the question.

If you want to remove "Dallas" and "Safari" and not say anything about hunting --What will we be?

"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Kinda defeats the purpose , doesn't it?

Could you please point out where I said, "not say anything about hunting".

I recommended the removal or reference to the words trophy and safari. The reason for that is very apparent if you care to read he information included in the study about hunting attitudes done by the NRA.

What percentage of hunters in say Pennsylvania who have never hunted outside that State are members of DSC or SCI do you think? I know many that aren't.

Those same hunters would define the word safari as being a game hunt in Africa. That is not something they can relate to nor do they care to defend the practice.

Our strength as hunters or hunting organizations drop when we don't agree with each other or support each other.

When trophy or safari is included in the title of an organization it helps define the organization.

Ducks Unlimited does not have hunting in their name but what percentage of members are hunters?

Cheers
Jim

Yup. Right on the money.

I've always liked the name/organization "Pheasants Forever". The term 'Forever' attacks the anti-hunters right where they criticize us.

Many of my friends who do not hunt are surprised when I tell them we have to have a license (permission), and can only hunt a certain species, sex, at a particular time and a particular place, and furthermore there is a limit on the number that can be taken. They are dumbfounded.

I believe many non-hunters see us as non-conservationists, people who could care less about the animals we hunt.

The word 'Forever' contradicts that idea. It tells the public that we would like to see these animals exist into eternity. The opposite attitude of poachers.

So, Kudu Forever, Lions Forever, etc.? Sportsman's Conservation Forever? Someone more creative than myself could word it better I'm sure.

Just my two cents.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
How about:



International Sporting and Conservation Alliance



Tell me, who does this not include? And it can do what I have always said will eventually need to be done, which is to include fishers. This way no one needs to rename the organization when it happens.

for local chapters:

ISCA - Wyoming Chapter
ISCA - France
ISCA - Botswana



Easy to say, totally inclusive, and obfuscatory enough to not repel anyone by the name. And 'Alliance" connotes positivity (allies work for a GOOD cause), not defense - which is how we should be rebranding our whole outlook on this issue.

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I like this it is sums up everything well

While I very well understand the rebadging and inclusive efforts, there is another side to this.

If you have to change who you are and what you are about in order to attempt to appeal to a wider audience in order to accomplish something that is yet undecided, then you should give serious thought and consideration to these changes. That especially applies if you have developed a heritage such as DSC.

If it really going to work out well though then you would think there is room in the blender for both the tequila and lime.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If they are going nationwide , does it make a lot of sense to leave Dallas in the name?

No, it does not. They could certainly add a "formerly known as" fora few years until the traction of expansion grows.

Like I said, I just hope they would be wise enough to ditch the words "trophy" and "safari" from any future endeavors.

Cheers
Jim

100% in agreement. This is why I raised the question.

If you want to remove "Dallas" and "Safari" and not say anything about hunting --What will we be?

"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Kinda defeats the purpose , doesn't it?

Could you please point out where I said, "not say anything about hunting".

I recommended the removal or reference to the words trophy and safari. The reason for that is very apparent if you care to read he information included in the study about hunting attitudes done by the NRA.

What percentage of hunters in say Pennsylvania who have never hunted outside that State are members of DSC or SCI do you think? I know many that aren't.

Those same hunters would define the word safari as being a game hunt in Africa. That is not something they can relate to nor do they care to defend the practice.

Our strength as hunters or hunting organizations drop when we don't agree with each other or support each other.

When trophy or safari is included in the title of an organization it helps define the organization.

Ducks Unlimited does not have hunting in their name but what percentage of members are hunters?

Cheers
Jim

Jim

the fault with that position is the organizations like DU or Pheasants Forever are Habitat based--Thats a good thing but not where we need to be headed. IMHO what we explicitly trying to do is show/convince people that hunting-done properly- is a necessary and useful conservation tool on its own. Our goal is about Hunting, not obsfucation of it.

For what it is worth, Ducks Unlimited is NOT about its hunter members anymore - - as they plainly showed in the last round of gun restrictions and anti 2nd Amendment push by Obama. The NRA was deep in the fight and a number of people, I among them, asked DU to get in it on the side of the gun owners and hunters and its members . As a "common sense" (word thrown out by O all the time) hunting representative with a long history and sportsman members it could have some impact.


DU did not lift a finger. As a matter of fact they did even less to support gun owners or their rights. When I sent them a letter, their response, was "we are only interested in conservation."

Yeah well after 30 years I immediately dropped out of DU. Losing me didn't hurt them, but 2 or 3 of my friends were big DU donors and participants. DU was trying to get them with some success to leave them money and gifts after their death, etc. Something I would never do BTW. They of course dropped that too. DU sent regional and national people and called and all kinds of things to keep them. Of course it was really just to keep the valuable money as you might expect. Nope it didn't work.

DU gets a lot of its money from the Feds. Probably half of its budget. They are sucking the "funding" so that is where DU an organization is these days and which side they are on. If it involves having to represent it members interests to the Feds or others, and risk funding loses, DU will choose the funding just as they did.

After the gun mess had died down, DU put out some blurb about how they support hunters, support the 2nd Amendment, and the lawful gun ownership, and professionally managed resources. Bah. Garbage. Where is the support? Or do they just happen to have an idea of who is best for the professionally managed resource. Crap really.

While DU was founded by hunters with a conservation ideal, and DU members are great , DU is a political entity today. From that, they don't represent you, your ideals, or your interests. They represent funding under the heading of conservation.

So please don't have DSC become anything like DU is my input.

Sean & Tex,

My use of DU was not as an example of what the organization and mission statement should be. I'm merely trying to point out that if the two words "safari" and/or "trophy" are used in the name then the perception of the target membership will suffer. It will be limited and perceived elitist and that should not be the goal of a hunting organization trying to gain strength from numbers.

If you don't think SCI is elitist simply take one look at their magazine and the types of advertisements in there. Is that the role model for DSC? I don't think so.


Cheers
Jim

I agree completely with you Jim.

I just am still on my damning DU mission.

You know how this wheel goes around. First there is hunting. Then to appeal to wealthier clientele and members the organization become more elitist. Then that becomes unfashionable. Then Bubba's become unfashionable. Regular good guys are still in the middle.

I still despise DU for not even a hint of an effort when it was really needed. I don't hold a grudge really. I am like an elephant. I have a really long memory.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

"The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"?

Kinda defeats the purpose , doesn't it?

International sounds elitist to me.

PC version:

GREENS Hunting (:-)

Global Restorancy of Environment and Enforcement of Nonpoaching Sustainable Hunting

Or
global restorancy by environmentalists of environment and ...

Once upon a time there was an organization that represented the interests of hunter- and angler-conservationists, a powerful and influential organization much like everyone would like to see today. It was called American Game Protective Association and it accomplished many great things.

However, its leaders felt its mission was so worthy that it should expand its base, and so it came to be that it changed its name to remove the world "game" so it would not offend a broader potential market of those who do not hunt and fish.

The NWF now has more than 4 million members, so it obviously accomplished what it wanted to do. Although some of its affiliated state associations still are mainly "consumptive users" of wildlife it no longer is a sportsmen's organization.

According to Wikipedia, its three main issues of focus now are:
--- connecting people to nature;
--- reversing global warming;
--- protecting and restoring critical wildlife habitats.

Although it claims to support people who hunt, it also supports issues that negatively affect us.

Bill Quimby

This talk of rebranding sounds just like a woman marrying a man she fill in love with and proceeded trying to change!!??

It is not the name that counts, it is the actions of the organization.

One feels so sad today each time the name SCI is mentioned because of all the mindless stupidity shown by those running it.

That's naive. Words matter.

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Originally posted by MJines:
That's naive. Words matter.

I never liked PC, and never will either.

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Once upon a time there was an organization that represented the interests of hunter- and angler-conservationists, a powerful and influential organization much like everyone would like to see today. It was called American Game Protective Association and it accomplished many great things.

However, its leaders felt its mission was so worthy that it should expand its base, and so it came to be that it changed its name to remove the world "game" so it would not offend a broader potential market of those who do not hunt and fish.

The NWF now has more than 4 million members, so it obviously accomplished what it wanted to do. Although some of its affiliated state associations still are mainly "consumptive users" of wildlife it no longer is a sportsmen's organization.

According to Wikipedia, its three main issues of focus now are:
--- connecting people to nature;
--- reversing global warming;
--- protecting and restoring critical wildlife habitats.

Although it claims to support people who hunt, it also supports issues that negatively affect us.

Bill Quimby

What ever happened the group "Game Coin" or Game Conservation International? They used to have a big convention in San Antonio, Texas every year. Did they fold? Anyone here know what happened to them?

Why not build a sister organization? DSC has the infrastructure and knowledge. Look at the NRA. They have basically two organizations one for the shooter/competitor and one for the hunter. Both are served buy different magazines/publications. This is because the guy who punches holes in paper isn't interested in hunting mountain goats.
I think we should move in this direction. Perhaps keeping and expanding DSC for those interested in this venue and adding something like International Sporting and Conservation Alliance for those who are more into local/regional hunting and the name leaves an opining to include fishing. Remember we are trying to expand and set up local chapters. Or drop the International and start with Sporting and Conservation Alliance.
I really liked "The International League of Warm Fuzzy Guys"
Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year
Bill