New Reasons For Leopard Trophy Seizures By USFWS

(posted October 26, 2010)

If you have a leopard trophy on its way to the United States, contact your importer immediately to ensure your trophy will not be seized by the US Fish & Wildlife Service. According to John J. Jackson, III, of Conservation Force, a number of leopard trophies have already been seized by USFWS agents for a new reason having to do with the year the leopard was taken versus the year it was exported.

As Jackson reports in this month's issue of Conservation Force, leopard tags and export permits that cite the quota for the year of the export rather than the year of the hunt are now being treated as invalid by USFWS inspectors. Those trophies are subject to forfeiture under the regulations of the Endangered Species Act, by which USFWS enforces CITES regulations. Already trophies from Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe have been seized at ports from San Francisco to New York. Because the agency treats CITES imports with any paperwork errors as contraband, hunters lose all property rights to their trophies.

To prevent this from happening with your trophies, download the updated Trophy Problem Checklist Jackson has created. Send a copy to your operator and expediter in Africa and to your broker in the United States. Make sure each recommended step applying to your trophy has been taken. If your shipment arrives in the US with any errors on the paperwork, return it immediately. If the trophy is seized, you will most likely lose it forever.

The November issue of Conservation Force Bulletin features the full story on this development and the reason why US Fish & Wildlife has taken this route with trophies. Look for it in your e-mail inbox later this week. - Barbara Crown, Editor

Will this apply to elephant tusks as well?


Dutch

this is brought to you bye the same people who brought you OBAMMMER CARE

I am sick of these liberal-progressive bureaucrats. They are doing everything possible to annoy and harass the hunting community.

How is it that the government can use enormous resources in examining wildlife and harass hunters, but cannot stop drugs or illegal aliens from entering USA?

WIll someone Please start the revolution allready!

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Originally posted by Dutch44:
Will this apply to elephant tusks as well?


Dutch

Probably not unless they were taken in Tanzania which is the only country right now that needs the CITES import permit for elephant. We just received a set here at the office from last year, taken in Botswana with no problems.

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Originally posted by daleW:
I am sick of these liberal-progressive bureaucrats. They are doing everything possible to annoy and harass the hunting community.

How is it that the government can use enormous resources in examining wildlife and harass hunters, but cannot stop drugs or illegal aliens from entering USA?

Sorry to bust your bubble Dale, but this isn't a liberal-progressive, Obama or Pelosi anything. This in fact is the culture of the USFWS that has been allowed to develop over decades. A change of elected office will do nothing to change this anti-hunting culture that has been allowed to fester. You the US citizen Hunter are the enemy. The USFWS service also feels it it necessary to be the codependant big brother to the world with regards to wildlife management and conservation issues. In other words we try to tell everyone else how to manage their recources. Thre will have to be a COMPLETE overhaul to correct this.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Sorry to bust your bubble Dale, but this isn't a liberal-progressive, Obama or Pelosi anything.

Jeff

It certainly is liberal-progressive and the idea at the core of liberalism which is the idea that a centralized big government is the solution to all the world's troubles.

The solution is simple yet hard to bring about. Simply removed resources, tax dollars, from the government. We, as a nation, however seem to feel that the government needs even more of our money.

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Sorry to bust your bubble Dale, but this isn't a liberal-progressive, Obama or Pelosi anything.

Jeff

It certainly is liberal-progressive and the idea at the core of liberalism which is the idea that a centralized big government is the solution to all the world's troubles.

The solution is simple yet hard to bring about. Simply removed resources, tax dollars, from the government. We, as a nation, however seem to feel that the government needs even more of our money.

Howard,
We will have to agree to disagree then. The siuation I reference is the EXTRME and overt anti-hunting sentiment of the USFWS. Also trhe arrogance of "we know best". Don't saee how that aspect fits a L/P label.

Jeff

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We will have to agree to disagree then. The siuation I reference is the EXTRME and overt anti-hunting sentiment of the USFWS. Also trhe arrogance of "we know best". Don't saee how that aspect fits a L/P label.

Jeff, I have to agree. Unfortunately this same mind set is prevalent in the USFS and BLM and supported by many in the Democratic Party.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
WIll someone Please start the revolution allready!

I am with you here...bro!!!

The USFWS is an Extreme Anti-hunting Liberal organization.

Even if they weren't...leopards are the least of worries right now. Focus on rhino & tigers!!! Or...maybe Snow Leopard.

Kind of like a cop writing me a speeding ticket for 60 in a 55 while trying to get to an emergeny...while drug trifficking in Gainesville is rampant!!!

I have never shot a leopard, so bare with me on my question. Wouldn't and/or shouldn't the paperwork have the dates animal was killed and date hide shipped? Make matters simpler in my opinion. Then again when dealing with a government agency things will be way more complicated than need be.

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Originally posted by 375fan:
I have never shot a leopard, so bare with me on my question. Wouldn't and/or shouldn't the paperwork have the dates animal was killed and date hide shipped? Make matters simpler in my opinion. Then again when dealing with a government agency things will be way more complicated than need be.

I believe this paperwork does have the information you asked about, the problem lies with when an animal is shipped vs. when it is shot. Say you go on a hunt this month, shoot your Leopard, get your CITES tag for him and wait for him to come home. If he is shipped in November or December, you're good because you have a 2010 CITES tag. If he is shipped after Jan. 1, you have to get another CITES tag because it is now the 2011 calendar year. Had this happen to a client who hunting in TZ last year but the leopard was not shipped until this year. He just got a new CITES permit from the USFWS and got his leopard in.

And one reason not to get your stuff shipped to SAN FRANCISCO!!!!

GREENIE CAPITAL OF THE WEST COAST!

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
WIll someone Please start the revolution allready!

You just got a big new double!!! Fire the first shot!!!!

The scary thing is this could apply to any CITES animal. Another thing the way I read it is this screws up the CITES quotas. If an animal is shot in 2010 but not shipped until 2011 it counts against the 2011 quota.

F%$^

Mark

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Howard,
We will have to agree to disagree then. The siuation I reference is the EXTRME and overt anti-hunting sentiment of the USFWS. Also trhe arrogance of "we know best". Don't saee how that aspect fits a L/P label.

Jeff

Actually I think we do agree. The arrogance of we know best is at the heart of big brother, big government liberalism.

Unfortunately the people being affected are focused on the problem and not the solution.
Solutions are developed by making the problems known to a greater majority and to those we have entrusted to govern. Unless someone is willing to use Anarchy as a means of bringing problems to the forefront we are relegated to using the system in place to affect change.
Who does the usfws work for? Who do they answer to. Who needs to be harassed sufficiently enough to look into the problem?

If this is the problem on the issued form that is all that needs to be changed.

Date of issue and date of expiration (“valid until” date on the standardized CITES form), which is midnight of the date on the CITES document. See § 23.54 for the length of validity for different types of CITES documents.

In answer to the above post: [I]Fish and Wildlife director’s death prompts week delay in sage grouse decision February 25, 2010 — Dusty Roads Huge sage grouse listing decision delayed by the death of Sam Hamilton- Don’t know how many caught the article posted on the sudden heart disease death of Obama’s director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service? Excerpted from DC news report after sudden death of Sam Hamilton

usfws falls under Department of the Interior run by Ken Salazar:
Kenneth Lee "Ken" Salazar (pronounced /ˈsæləzɑr/; born March 2, 1955) is the United States Secretary of the Interior in the administration of President Barack Obama. A member of the Democratic Party, he previously served as a United States Senator from Colorado from 2005 to 2009. He and Mel Martinez (R-Florida) were the first Hispanic U.S. Senators since 1977; they were joined by Bob Menendez (D-New Jersey) in January 2006. Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate, he served as Attorney General of Colorado from 1999 to 2005.

On December 17, 2008, President-elect Obama announced he would nominate Salazar as U.S. Secretary of the Interior. The environmentalist movement's reaction to this nomination was mixed.[1][2] Previously, Salazar supported the nomination of Gale Norton to Secretary of the Interior,[3] President George W. Bush's first appointee who preceded Salazar as Colorado Attorney General. On January 20, 2009, Salazar was confirmed by unanimous consent in the Senate.
info from Wikepedia so take it for what it is worth.
Frank

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Originally posted by 375fan:
I have never shot a leopard, so bare with me on my question. Wouldn't and/or shouldn't the paperwork have the dates animal was killed and date hide shipped? Make matters simpler in my opinion. Then again when dealing with a government agency things will be way more complicated than need be.

Yes rudi, this is the way it should be, but the authorities put the tag on the leopard skin, and then they issue the cites export pertmit only when the trophy is ready to be shipped, sometimes two years later. Anycase 1+1 is two for me, if you read my thread on Leopards, you might think like I do that this is an excuse to get hold of those cats for other reasons. It gells with the rumours law enforcement spread on illegal leopard hunts.

Charl,

You're not addressing Rudi aka 375Fanatic, you're addressing 375Fan if that makes any difference.

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Originally posted by shakari:
Charl,

You're not addressing Rudi aka 375Fanatic, you're addressing 375Fan if that makes any difference.

I am not rudi, but that is ok. Some explanations have been given to my question, which is appreciated.

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Howard,
We will have to agree to disagree then. The siuation I reference is the EXTRME and overt anti-hunting sentiment of the USFWS. Also trhe arrogance of "we know best". Don't saee how that aspect fits a L/P label.

Jeff

Actually I think we do agree. The arrogance of we know best is at the heart of big brother, big government liberalism.

On that we shall agree. As I pondered your position expanding the scope of said L/P issues you are correct when projecting this into a global scale.

Jeff

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You just got a big new double!!! Fire the first shot!!!!

Shameful! This would be the same as drinking malt liquor out of fine crystal.

your vote counts - use a 30 caliber

If the dates issue is true then these people in authority must certainly suffer from MUGABE BRAIN syndrome ...

Even a mug can deduce that a leopard hunted in 2010 has a hunting date on the animal papers signed by the PH so if a shipment is delayed then how difficult is it to understand the date gap between shot and dispatch dates DUH

Of corse if shot in 2010 that is the 2010 quota not 2011 quota.

Just as an aside in Zambia (ranch hunting) our exporting agent tell the client to apply for the import permit after the leopard has been taken not before. That seems to work fine with our exports. Xport permits are totally different to import permits. The only requirement is that they match up

Cheers, Peter

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Even a mug can deduce that a leopard hunted in 2010 has a hunting date on the animal papers signed by the PH so if a shipment is delayed then how difficult is it to understand the date gap between shot and dispatch dates DUH

Of coarse if shot in 2010 that is the 2010 quota not 2011 quota.

You're falsely assuming that these government bureaucrats posses some form of common sense. Unlike the original Federal land managers who actually "cared for the land and served the people," the bureaucrats today must first pass a "politically correct" test and fail a "common sense" test before they are hired.

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Howard,
We will have to agree to disagree then. The siuation I reference is the EXTRME and overt anti-hunting sentiment of the USFWS. Also trhe arrogance of "we know best". Don't saee how that aspect fits a L/P label.

Jeff

Actually I think we do agree. The arrogance of we know best is at the heart of big brother, big government liberalism.

This attitude of "we know best" was so strong when Bush & co went to war in Iraq and wasted trillions of tax payer money & sent the world economy to hell. All politicians and most bureaucrats, irrespective of right or left leaning views, seem to have this attitude of "we know what is best for the world".

It would be great to see the US congress full of Tea & Coffee party people of age 40 or less and get rid of all those who have been in congress more than 5 years. Then you will get real revolution - fresh new thinking with less baggage and hidden agendas or lobby backing.