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 There is a hole in that logic big enough to throw...well, that leopard, through. Wonderful leopard and a lucky huntress. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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You are right. Especially those that gripe about griping which is not griping but merely an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation.  Jeffe is not griping, and neither am I. I too would just like to know what that leopard weighs ... and whether he is wearing a spotted muscle suit, or has been pen raised with steroid injections and a personal trainer. | |||
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As said that´s an unique leopard !   ------------------------------------------  Μολὼν λάβε Duc, sequere, aut de via decede. | |||
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Jeffe Can we see some photos of your African trophies and hunts, please? Especially the cats? *** Magnificent cat. Lucky girl. | |||
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That's a fantastic leopard!  I don't see why some people are bothering about the technicalities behind the photograph. This picture is no different then the vast majority of trophy pictures seen here on AR. | |||
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I agree, that is one damn big cat. She should be very proud. | |||
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John, I am certain you can read. Please look at what I actualy said. Small things, like UNIQUE cat, exceptional.. and honest pictures. Erik, You are correct, lots of people take proportionally challenged pictures.. and bugs teh crap out of me, every time. If the animal is good, it's good, if it's GREAT, it is GREAT... and there's no reason to much with the picture to how it larger. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, If the lady client as Bwanamich says is over 6 feet tall, maybe they just wanted to make the picture proportionally correct compaired to an average sized lady.   | |||
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Now to me the pose might not be to make an already very large leopard look bigger, but to bring the subject of the photograph, ie a magnificient leopard, more to the attention of the viewer. With the huntress in the background and less the main subject of the photograph. The photograph immediately says this to me! *** Come on Jeffe, as the big critic (ie actual words used "dishonest", "disrespectful", "distasteful") of African trophy photo posing style lets see your African trophy photos! I don't think I have ever seen any??? | |||
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 Wow! Awesome cat and great picture. The taxidermist will have to start with a lioness form. | |||
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My congratulations to the lady concerned, that really is a beautiful cat... As to the picture..personally I think good trophy pictures are important mementos of the hunt. With regards this particular one, I see the photo was taken with some care, and by somebody who knows what they are doing.. Its been taken in good light and neither the cat nor the huntress have any harsh shadows on them, as can happen when using a flash for instance. The fore ground has been cleared and the animal nicely positioned with no blood showing. True, the huntress is a little way behind the animal, but as Nitro says that simply puts the emphases on the trophy. If the PH had used a very wide angle lens and taken the pic from a low angle, I would have agreed with Jeffe, but as it stands, I think who ever took it has done a very good job... Regards, Pete | |||
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Boy, we're sure picking flyshit out of pepper with this one ey boys? A couple of months ago a picture I posted of a leopard whose skull turned out to measure 18" ( I have the offcial SCI scorecard if anybody's interested on a PDF file) the picture was picked apart by experts that questioned the cat's size. jeez. How about just a "well done" to the huntress and let it go at that! jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I remember what jorge is talking about it was a picture of John sharpe hold a massive cat, and it was picked apart because the cat looked stretched out,, it was pretty funny listening to all the experts picking apart a PH like john Sharpe, some people will never be happy then again if everyone was as perfect as they are who would they have to bitch about or tell the right way to do things. Like I said some of you need to get a life. | |||
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Better yet all you experts like jeffeosso and RIP, post your leopard picts show all us green horns the real way to take pictures. Maybe you could start your own tutorial thread so the rest of the idiots in this world learn proper safari photograph etiquette. Go for it boys. | |||
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That is one massive cat! You wouldn't have to think twice about him when he was standing over the bait. | |||
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Guys, "we" have been posting [and debating] pictures like this for a while. The other pose that elicits a response is when the muzzle of the rifle is pointed at somebody's head. Here is an old one I recalled finding on AR when researching Kodiak bear hunts...from back in them good old days.  9/28 EDIT: Picture is of the "Will Gay Bear", shot spring of 1997, skull measured 30-14/16 (green). | |||
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whoa, easy guys, we're all (most anyway) friends here. The picture above does lend credence to staging pictures for effect, but the fact the cat had a 17" skull pretty much says it all. It's a huge cat! jorge EDIT: Hey guys, my post isn't directed specifically at anybody,(that IS a big bear and no amount of camera work needs to be done to that monster!) but I think we all need to take a sip of Single Malt or whatever your favorite poison is and enjoy what we have here. We have enough on our hands with all the morons that permeate this place! USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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EXACTLY! And apparently this is was a BIG BEAR. | |||
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[/QUOTE]Flyshit be gone! Ahchoo. Enough whining about nonwhining, get a life, etc. "Well done" to the huntresses. What else? ... No I haven't felt any desire to shoot a spotted pussy cat, but I would love to chase one with dogs. I was offered the chance at Mr. Spots in Botswana, but I am no sucker for just any bait and blind operation. Who shot Bart The Bear? | |||
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1: Who misunderstands that I belive this to be a HUGE, if not unique, cat? 2: who misunderstands MY opinion of the picture posing style? single answer, no one. John, to compare, but not in the least bit infer, would you shoot a 180 BC deer on a high fence ranch? Probably not, and for the same reasons. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I would like to point out that the lady did not take the photo. Obviously her PH or another member of her party did. Let's not spoil her wonderfully successful leopard hunt with petty criticisms about how the photo was laid out. | |||
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500 Grains, I second the motion. That cat is the trophy of a lifetime! Congratulations are in order for sure. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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Jeffe As 500grains says, lets not spoil this thread and this ladies fine achievement with petty or pathetic criticisms. You may find out one day if you actually go to Africa that often the PH takes the photos and often the way they want to take a photo is how the style of the photo is laid out. I also understand perspective is important to good photogrraphy. Unlike the classic tape measure hunter, size isn't everything. As I pointed out in my last post, the positioning of the trophy to the hunter highlights the leopard and downplays the lady, resulting in an excellent photo of the cat. If it was desired to make the trophy the main focus of the photo, then that technique is one technique that can be used. Also if the lady in question is a tall women it might lead to the wrong idea of the size of the cat in any case. *** To bring the fine subject back into the focus.  | |||
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NitroX has nailed it with the above comments. Personally I can't understand the hub bub. Everyone is in agreement (I think) that the cat is huge regardless of the photo perspective. From my own rudimentary photography instruction many years ago, it was suggested "the subject" fill the frame as fully as possible. That's been done whether there was an underlying intent to distort size or not. Maybe... just maybe, the woman was trying to avoid the departure of parasites seeking a warmer body to move onto!  An old man sleeps with his conscience, a young man sleeps with his dreams. | |||
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So, I don't believe I have said anything other than a fantastic trophy. I don't like the style of the picture compossition. I would no more allow the PH to take that kind of picture than I would allow him to shoot my trophies for me. John, I wouldn't matter if said photo was in Waller county or on the banks of the a river in the middle of no where, I would not allow this type of picture to be taken of me and my trophy. That I don't care for this style of photo is beyond question. That you may or may not disagree is your opinion. I'll respect your opinion in exactly the same degree as you support mine. Jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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 just when you think they have enough it starts again,,,I just sit here and laugh. Im at a loss for words. Some people are beyond help. | |||
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I wonder why people freely criticize pictures of trophy sized animals, but yet have nothing but praise for pictures of average or small animals. The cat and the pictures do not belong to us, they belong soley to the huntress, and while we always have the right to express our opinions and criticizims, it is simply rude to try and take anything away from this woman's hunt. How boring would it be if we all took pictures in the same way anyway? | |||
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OUTSTANDING CAT Perception is reality regardless the truth! Stupid people should not breed DRSS NRA Life Member Owner of USOC Adventure TV | |||
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LMAO and yourpost does which part of that?
Hokkaido, Huh? I don't take a thing away from the animal, the hunt, or the hunter. I don't like the picture style, which is a plain, and consistant statement. However, a positive or negative opinion of the cat is solely the posters' perspective, as well as the picture styling. Again, awesome cat. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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my perspective is you must be bored | |||
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I'd like to believe they just took a picture and didn't think of how to make that monster look even bigger than it is. What the hell! The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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I guess what it comes down to is even though that is one hell of a cat, beautifully posed, the quality of which all of us only dream about, since jeffeosso is a moderator, he is not to be questioned. | |||
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Jeffeosso, I am curious becasue I have read the entire thread and then decided to visit your website. www.weaponsmith.com It seems to me that you have a very similar pose with two full grown gentleman sitting behind a eland bull. It is an advertisement on your website. So I am confused as to the critisicm you are giving the picture because they seem to be very similar in nature. Please explain! Thanks Ray Matthews Matthews Outdoor Adventures 2808 Bainbridge Trail Mansfield, Texas 76063 | |||
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 Minimal Boddington Effect on this Eland. The hand of the hunter is on the animal. He is close behind it, and the camera is well back from all of them. Jeffe, Ignore the baiting. You have just made an observation true as honey is sweet, and it has attracted the flies with little else to buzz about. | |||
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So here's a question. Do you think this photo is deceiving?  or how about this one?  Both animals I was as close as I could be to the animals for the "trophy shot". Wasn't too difficult to get real close to the Sable, but the Waterbuck, I was kneeling on my knees pressed against the Waterbuck's body. I couldn't get any closer, but my reach was at its limits (I was holding the bull buck's head up by grabbing his ear). Sometimes, you can't get real close to the animal if you are going to take that kind of photograph with the hunter behind the animal. | |||
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Not Boddington-ed at all on the sable, but just a little on the HUGE waterbuck. That can't be helped sometimes, and not a detractor at all, and we all recognize it when it happens, and is nothing to pick flyshit out of the pepper over. Well done.  | |||
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Ron So were you deceived by the clever positioning of the lady? Personally my attitude is the attack on the woman was extremely rude and if it was my photo I would have pulled it off the forum to everyone's loss. It is amazing the un-gentleman behaviour that is now exhibited on the forum. The other thing exhibited is some members here just can't think beyond a tape measure, ie "mine is bigger that yours". Who cares! | |||
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