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This is the same country that voted for the politicians we have now - I expect nothing less. 95-99% of hunting shows are crap - but the only reason they are there is because people watch them. We are so used to fake packaged entertainment why should hunting be any different. I would really like to see these entertainment hunters set up a booth at DSC. I know the South African guys are there but I want to see one of these bowhunting chicks try to claim they were hunting wild lions. Mike | |||
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Perhaps this is a bit off the subject. I wonder how many of these giant bucks taken on camera are behind a fence? Years ago, I remember a cameraman telling me of documentary filmed at Chipangali (spelling ?). While it looked real on the screen, it was filed entirely in a caged area less than 1 acre. | |||
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Both those lions look like they just left the beauty parlor! Sure look wild and dangerous don't they? ..................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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And a Bozo! | |||
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I really struggle as of late with all of the hunting shows - especially the Waddell's, the Lee and Tiffany's, the Zumbo's, and the others. For me, it is an issue of honesty and ethics. When I see Boddington in another magazine with wife #4 hunting in Namibia with Kimber guns (again), knowing he is in bankruptcy, and I am expected to swallow the tripe he is selling about guns, bullets, shooting sticks, used clothes - I want to throw up. I refuse to buy things these wonks are selling. I am done, finished, over it. | |||
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Hey Fujo Not wanting to fight, but I think there is a time an a place. This thread is perfect for you to discuss your hate of ranch cat hunts. The hunting reports are someone's personal experience and pissing on it and telling him off just isn't cool in my books. We back to choice, let people choose and as hunters standing together we need to start respecting each other's decisions. That's me over an out  Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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Dave, According to you (and others) any sarcastic comment on a hunt report is simply not cricket but its OK to tear into the same people on a different thread? Is this not hypocrisy? If they were to come clean from the start I very much doubt they would be criticized, in fact they might even be commended for their honesty; same goes for the televised hunts such as the one that started this thread. It just has to be remembered they (canned lion hunts) are like herpes, they aint going to disappear in a hurry and very much on the market as we have attested. I cannot remember ever having said I HATE canned lion hunts; I don't agree with the way they are conducted and IMO and that of many others, it is just a cheap/guaranteed way of securing a trophy without breaking a bead of sweat. What I DO remember though is having said outfitters should be up front in their posts when marketing and "hunters" in their reporting instead of trying to pass readers off for idiots, as in having POR when advertising lion instead of the price - just sets one thinking!  | |||
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Dave, I think you are 100% correct. It is not the message, it is the manner in which and the place where the message is delivered. A hunt report where someone is sharing their experience with others is not the place. If you do not have something good to say on a hunt report, just move on. My $0.02. Mike | |||
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....................Plus one! It is in very poor taste to make a negative post in reply to a hunt report! In a regular forum it is OK IMO to comment on the need for certain criteria to hunt so the species enjoys long term viability in broad terms. However commenting negatively on the quality of another hunters trophy is a very personal thing, and is simply not good manners! ........................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I never commented on a AR hunt post here, but to a thread started by another AR poster. I agree that pissing on ones parade, or trophy is in poor taste, therefore I do not do so. This was a thread about a particular show, and viewer feedback.I gave mine as you can read. Dave Fulson | |||
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As did I! commenting on a public TV show is not only excepted, but, IMO, is a responsibility! ....................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I think Dave's comment was directed to the post by fujo above. Mike | |||
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While I personally would likely not comment on a hunt report that involved a canned lion, I agree with Fujo concerning the practice. Some people seem to think that is a "hunt" and while my goal is not to bruise delicate feelings, sometimes the truth is in order. And, how are people going to learn if they are not corrected? Sorry to hurt feelings, I'm just saying ... | |||
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You follow that same advice in commenting on things at home with your wife? Just curious. Mike | |||
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Does anyone think that the hunter DOES NOT know what kind of a hunt it is when they buy it? I'm asking honestly. I personally think that it would be difficult for someone to confuse this type of lion hunting with hunting a wild lion. A could see an inexperienced hunter falling for the old trick of "a lion crossed over the border with Botswana. Do you want to go after it?" By the way does this trick get pulled anymore? I think the thing that is setting us off is the manner in which the hunt is being presented. I have no quarrel with a person who does one of these hunts if they are honest about it. It is when the hunter tries to boost his own ego by making it something that it isn't that irritates me. | |||
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I gotta agree with this. We've become a politically correct nation full of pussies that are afraid to call a spade a spade, afraid to take a stand, and afraid of hurting someones feelings. It's pathetic if you ask me. | |||
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Then don't be surprised when people stop submitting and posting hunt reports because they do not want to risk folks crapping all over their hunt. A number of members that historically posted reports have stopped for that very reason. As a result we all suffer by having a weaker hunt report data base. If there is something you feel so strongly that you cannot avoid commenting on it, why not just start a thread on this forum about the objectionable issue without reference to the hunt report? The objection is not the message, it is the manner in which the message is delivered. Mike | |||
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Calling a spade a spade is one thing, demonstrating the manners you were raised with should take precedence. Macs B U.S. Army Retired Alles gut! | |||
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I have worked around to the point that I only rarely comment on hunting reports and then just a thank you for reports I find personally helpful. | |||
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Guys. I have been hunting elk for 35 years and have harvested many. Never a big bull. Would I shoot a 400 bull behind a high fence if I could afford it. YES. Would I be honest about it. YES. I have a problem with all of the hunting shows. They should be required to disclose if they are hunting free range, private land, or public land. AND. If they paid for the hunt. Skibumplus3 | |||
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By all means post it but what in hell is so wrong in making it clear from the start that it was canned lion hunt - Is it so difficult in understanding that posting what is obviously a canned hunt and passing it off as a fair chase, wild hunt report is likely to raise criticism? There have been many hunt reports posted since; some of the "trophies" have also been piss-poor but I haven't seen negative comments from anyone and if the canned brigade don't have the balls to post their achievements for fear of being ostracized then don't post - not many on AR will miss their presence excepting yourself and possibly a couple of others. What kind of weak hunting report data base are you referring to - pen-raised Lions? - give us a break ! | |||
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You make my point for me. The fact that folks are exercising basic manners means that folks continue to post hunting reports. Moreover, that has not taken away from the debate on canned lion hunting, as evidenced by this thread and many others. It is possible to do both. You may think the hunting report data base on AR is weak and unnecessary, I actually find it to be one of the more valuable aspects of AR. I suspect others agree. Mike | |||
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No need to twist words to suit your style. My comment on hunting data was directly in reference to canned hunts which don't really reflect fair chase data unless of course its canned hunting your'e after. | |||
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Fair enough, they are your words, let them speak for themselves. Mike | |||
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I certainly agree. Go Duke!! | |||
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This was the worst I have personally seen. It was offensive. The pretty blonde girl with her pink bow strings stalking the deadly lion. If you have not seen this one, Dave's description is precisely accurate. I don't care if she shoots someones pet lion, it's her business. However when she spins it to the public like she is after the man eater of Tsavo, she is misrepresenting lions and lion hunting. | |||
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Looking at this from another angle, A wild lion hunt in Tz, Zambia or Zim will run in the neighborhood of say $50,000 on the low end to $100K plus on the high end. Odds as someone said earlier about 50% on a wild lion. Assuming those numbers to be close, what if a person did NOT have the coins to float the wild lion hunt with 50% odds but could scrape together $20-$25K for a "tame" lion hunt with a up front operator in SA who made it somewhat of a fair chase, assuming that there might be a "fair chase" hunt in SA. Where I'm going with this, what if its a SA lion or NEVER getting to hunt a wild lion in TZ.???? There are a lot of folks that just will never be able to scrape together $100,000 + for a wild lion hunt and the only other lion hunting option is the "tame" lions in SA. Which brings up another question, IS THERE an operator who gives a decent fair chase lion hunt in SA or do they all just drive up and shoot them for the cameras??? | |||
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In essence it boils down to the closing part of the sentence. These operators will offer a lion on as short as 5 day hunts; there is no baiting involved though a "recent kill" magically appears in the close vicinity of the quarry in most cases. As recently evidenced the "hunt" can be done and dusted on the same day of arrival in "camp"; and yes, if one is pressed for time, cannot afford the 16/21 day hunts in other places, desperately needs a lion to complete the Big 4/5/6 to qualify for Diamond, etc. etc. go for it. | |||
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i don't think i have ever seen a SA lion hunt on offer that was OVER 5 days. pretty much says it all  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with closing out your hunting career having never shot a lion. If you want to, fine. But it doesn't prove are a superior hunter. | |||
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AAZWriter: Ah! but the lure of that Diamond Award, for some is "no holds barred"! .... and believe you me I have come across quite a few such unsavoury characters! | |||
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By all accounts, lion hunts offered around the Timbavati area are free chase. JKhunter, i believe, operates around there?? "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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