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Following disscusions with several of my ex collegues in Government I have taken the precaution of moving my family out today. All is quiet in most of the country but there are very nasty undertones and fresh attacks on the few remianing farmers in the Masvingo area. Being Africa, the talk my come to nothing- just posturing arround negotiations. However, by the time the first white is attacked in the streets or buisness looted, it is too late. For the next three weeks...charter directly from the airport to the hunting concession. Even in the worst case scenario, the hunting areas will be quite. It will be people in the main cities or traveling on the open roads through turbulent areas that are the possible victims. Since thee are no airstrips near where I have my first lion hunt scheduled for the end of the month, I have provisionally delayed it until june I'll keep folks up dated, of what the mood in the capital is like and any genuine reports in the countryside. | ||
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Seriously BAD News. Lets hope for the best... Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Really not good to hear. We are praying for you ! Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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This doesn't sound too good, especially as Ganyana is usually upbeat about Zim problems. Not that it will do any good, but I'll be calling my US Senator offices. And have already sent e-mails to the White House. I know I'm dreaming but maybe if enough attention drawn to this, something just might get done, in time. Wishing you guys the best and have my prayers. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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This is all very worrying. | |||
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Here is the report of what Ganyana is likely speaking of: Ganyana - Thanks for the update, I wish you and the people of Zim the best over the next few weeks. Will, I am encouraged to see your response and expression of feelings towards the people of Zim. Regards, Bill | |||
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Ganyana, I am very sorry to hear that. It sounds as if Bob may be working on "Plan B" - get the country in such turmoil in the next month or so that he has to declare martial law to "restore order and peace". Once martial law is declared, any remaining civil rights would be suspended, the press would effectively be shut off, and Bob could take his sweet time to lift the state of emergency. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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Bill, As much sh*t as I talk here on AR, I truly feel sorry for the plight of the Zim people. I also dream of Zim all the time, and though hardly a world traveler, I love Zim more than any other place on earth. I always felt sorry for the natives when they expressed hope that the US President, whomever it was at the time, will come rescue them from the tyrant. I didn't have the heart to tell them it just wasn't going to happen. Let all the detractors bad-mouth the US, but there are millions of people around the world that see us as their only hope. But unfortuantely hope is all it is in the case of Zimbabwe. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I have nowhere near your experience, and have only been to Zim once, but I share many of the same sentiments. Unfortunately, even if the US were prepared to take action, I fear it it would play as "re-coloniziation" in Africa. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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If anyone has a moral obligation to restore peace and democracy to the country, it's the Brits...... but sadly, that just ain't gonna happen. If it were a French colony for example, the troops would have been in there long ago, but as much as I hate to say it, the British Government doesn't have the testicular fortitude for it. Failing that, then it's a job for the UN, but as has been pointed out, it would be mis interpreted as a re-colonisation of Africa.....Even if military intervention by a 'non African' power were considered, actually doing it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. | |||
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Thank you Will, and all the rest of you. Dave | |||
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I read this and get angry, sad, frustrated, etc. This is 2008 and real life shit like this is going on right on our doorstep. It seems like anyone that can do something about it either does not give a crap - because there is nothing in it for them or because they are just plain incompetent - or worse it is because the envy RM and deep down would like to be like him. The "situation is manageable" - my ass. It is completely unmanaged and sliding out of control while we look on. Thinking folks that actually care and have connections and friends in Zim can only stare at the rape of every principle the West stands for and shout disgust. You Zimbos are tough men. Fuck them. Hang in there. You'll handle it ... just be careful, be safe and stay a few steps ahead. Johan | |||
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Ganyana, My family's thoughts and prayers are with you, your family, and your fellow countrymen. I wish there was something we could do to help. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Thank you Ganyana for the update. Best wishes to all of our friends in Zim during this difficult and unpredictable time. | |||
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Ganyana and David, May God be with you, your families and your countrymen. I have never been to Zimbabwe, yet I feel a kinship with you and yours. Remember, you only have one *. Watch your backside. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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My thoughts and prayers are with Zimbabwe and my friends. I'm really concerned about my friends in Masvingo this morning. They live there and have a farm. I pray they are safe and out of harms way. God speed to all of Zim. David Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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David PM me their contact details and I'll get hold of them and see how things are. Dave | |||
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It would be difficult for me to express something that hasn't already been said in the various posts above. Watching all of this and hearing from my friends in Zim is upsetting. They have my full support and friendship as well as prayers. I have always supported Zim as the people I know from there are some of the strongest, most creative people I have ever met. I find myself saying "make a plan" from time to time and have to smile at my friends who do that very thing every day in Zim. Will, I appreciate what you posted and know that you love Zim. It's an amazing place. I wish I could have seen it in it's prime. Thanks Ganyana for keeping everyone informed. Any comments on the availability and cost of charters with all of the current shortages? _______________________________ | |||
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If you are going to hunt in Zim, follow Ganyanas advice. Use only a well recommended and experienced PH. Use charter flights from airport to hunting area if the PH can not avoid driving through hot areas. In general it is quiet and very safe. It may occur some escalation because Zanu supporters will not accept the election results. Thanks Mbeki, who negotiated with both parties, up to now there was a quiet atmosphere. If things starts to going bad, I hope he may moderate again. I hunted in Zim until 5th. I visited a polling station and shot on the election day an elephant bull. Police men on road blocks were very friendly waiting for the results of the presidential election. At the polling station: After the hunt: | |||
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A prayer to my friends Dudley & Tess Rogers and family of Tshabezi safari's and all others wishing you a safe home and country... Mike & Cherie | |||
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Ganyana, my friend! The best of luck to you and your family. Maybe when the storm and strife are over things will be better in Zim. 465H&H | |||
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I only hope this is Mugabe's fairwell party, and that the replacement is better. The folks there will have to take care of their family and friends themselves, as that is the only one you can really depend on. I surely hope that the situation gets better, it would be a shame to see the country go completely to ruin, as it has gotten steadily worse the last few years. Good luck to all there and hang tough. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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I am to arrive in Harare May 19th for a PAC/Tuskless hunt with Ben Kotze. We will have to drive to the hunting area North of Harare. I sent him an email saying I was coming no matter what unless the US put a complete travel ban on Zim. I have hunted in Zimbabwe on five occassions over the last six years and have never had any problems. My plans are still on, but I am not a fool. I will listen to Ganyana and my PH before getting on the plane from Joburg. Good luck to all you fine gentleman in Zimbabwe. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Go now. STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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corecpa Ben is a good man and no fool. If there is trouble he will make another plan. I expect????? that all will have fallen into place before then, but...give Ben a call afore you fly | |||
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Ganyana, is the Gun Shop in Bulawayo is still operational? Thanks, David Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Norbert, Good to see you back on the Forum and back chasing elephant. Mike | |||
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ganyana - i hope all will be good once again. These G.D. politicians worldwide are all the same and should all be shot | |||
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Ganyana, Ok, cowboy. Good luck. Cheers, Mike Core STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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Prayers sent for all of those in Zim. | |||
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My first ever visit and safari in Africa was in Zim, and I plan to make my last safari there, as I fell in love with the country and its people, all its people. My every thought is with these wonderful and hardy folks. | |||
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Good luck to all. The bastard can't live forever. | |||
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Ganyana, May God be with you and your fellow countrymen. Stay safe. All the best. | |||
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Messgae from another person im in contact with in Bulawayo .. All the best to Gunyana and many other friends and some family members in Zim's Regards, Peter ------------------------------ A Wounded Buffalo Zanu PF is behaving just like a wounded buffalo. The African buffalo is one of the most dangerous adversaries in the world of wildlife. It has an enormous capacity to take punishment, is extremely difficult to kill outright and when wounded - even fatally, it has the ability to do great damage. It is also a highly intelligent adversary. I have never hunted buffalo but have friends who have and had a senior in my department when I was a young man actually ambushed by a wounded buffalo in the Zambezi Valley. He was very lucky to survive and was never quite the same again. A frequent target of the trophy hunter are the lone bulls who move about in small groups or on their own and have a magnificent set of horns with that huge mass of bone across the head. If the hunter gets a clean heart shot, the buffalo has the capacity to run for some considerable distance before collapsing. If the shot is not clean, then the buffalo is known to run and then circle back and lie in ambush for his hunter. That is what happened to my senior in the valley. Although a large animal, the buffalo knows exactly how to stand in the shade and to blend in with his background. Often the only thing that might alert you to his presence is a flick of the ears or a tail. Fail to spot him and you could be on the receiving end of a short and furious rush and fall victim to the horns or just his mass. Zanu PF lost this election massively - if you take the combined vote of Makoni and Tsvangirai, 73 per cent of the people who voted (2,4 million) voted against him - he only got 27 per cent of the vote. The poll was 41 per cent if you use the voter's roll but by my calculation (2,8 to 3 million actual voters) it was nearer 80 per cent. Even when the National Command Centre had spent a day massaging the results they only got them down to 50 per cent for Tsvangirai and nearly 10 per cent for Makoni - still a huge defeat for a sitting President. In addition they have lost control, even with the rigging, of the House of Assembly. In the Senate it looks as if we will have a stand off - but this does not make that much of a difference. But any measure, Zanu PF has taken a shot that has fatally wounded the old bull. However, like the buffalo I described above, he is still dangerous. As things stand right now, the Zanu PF Politburo has decided that a full audit of the Presidential results can go ahead. We demanded this when we saw the results for Mashonaland Central four days ago. When this is completed (perhaps today) then we will hear if the final tally gives Morgan 49 or 50 per cent of the final count. If its 49, they want a rerun, if he gets 50 per cent plus one vote, he will be sworn in as President and we will get a new government. I will not bore you with all the gory details of what has gone on this week, but just to say that Zanu PF and Robert Gabriel Mugabe have had a tough time accepting the reality of the loss of power and privilege. I understand that Grace Mugabe has left the country and has taken a very considerable sum of money (real money) with her. There is also a strong rumor that the man who led 5th Brigade during the genocide in the 80's has committed suicide. But that may or may not be true. Nevertheless it shows how much of a total shock this has been for the Zanu machine. If there is a run off, I can only anticipate an electoral massacre. Ex President Mugabe will not even get the numbers he currently has in the poll. It will be, in effect, a coup de grace. So we are thinking through what a re-run might mean for us - how we might handle it. It is already clear that despite the fact that so far the people have committed no acts of violence in any way, that Zanu PF is going to use violence to try and get its way in the re-run. Already yesterday we have seen new violence in several areas, Masvingo especially. Morgan Tsvangirai said in his press conference yesterday that Mugabe is preparing to go to war against the people. It will not help him. I just pray that there will not be a re-run. The country simply cannot take any more of this. Work is impossible - our factories are shut down as the staff cannot work, suppliers cannot fix prices and buyers are frozen in their tracks. The economy is virtually at a stand still and inflation is racing ahead. There is no food in the country and hunger is becoming a real problem, the Reserve Bank has been looted and I understand that enough foreign exchange has been taken out to supply the countries needs for all basic foods for 12 months. It is an absolute disgrace and to think they still want to hang onto power! What has become clear over the past week is that Zanu PF can no longer command what happens in the administration, power is slipping away and they are already yesterdays men. It is also clear that the army and the police are both divided in their loyalties and now support change. This was the last pillar of support for the Zanu PF regime and with this gone it is just a matter of time. The region is playing a key role and is trying to persuade Mr. Mugabe to step down and allow a peaceful transition. Mugabe is not co-operating and it is time regional leaders stepped up the pressure. As for the UN, this august body has yet to comment and do anything effective - must we slide into complete chaos and anarchy before they become engaged? Thabo Mbeki is in the UK for a summit of leaders - I am sure he is getting it with both barrels. Last night Aziz Pahad was jousting with Kate Hoey - wish I could have seen that contest. But for the rest, thank you to all who stood with us - through the criticism of our stand and strategy, through the long nights of despair and finally doing the hard work that will make democracy the tool we used to bring down a corrupt and cruel tyrant. We showed it could be done - not with guns and bullets, not with fire and machete's, just with the quiet strength of ordinary men and women going out and voting when they got the opportunity. Eddie Cross Bulawayo, 6th April 2008 | |||
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Ganyana, You have me worried a bit my friend. I know you are a tough old coot and it is amazing what you can live through, but be careful and know you have my best wishes and thoughts for you and yours. Good to hear you have taken care of your loved ones and I know you have an E&E plan in place. If you need anything don't hesitate to contact me. I can always make more money-its friends I find difficult to replace. Perry | |||
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I would follow Ganyana's advice, I have read his posts for years and he is very switched on all of his posts have been consistant with all the first hand experiences I have had in Zim and what my friends there have told me, I wish him and family friends the best. My friend who for security reasons I wont name called me 3 days ago and everything was ok, we didnt talk about anything directly as we dont know who is listining, I attempted to call him a few hours ago 8 pm Zim time sunday night-I'm in the same time zone right now, and I couldnt get a line for a few calls, when I did I go 2 rings then it went dead. I'm ging to call him tomarow and report anything I hear, please if anyone here knows who I'm talking about please dont say his name, he is with his family and were very concerned-especially after reading this thread. best regards eric sorry about the spelling, I missed that class. | |||
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Ganyana, Our heartfelt prayers for you and yours. There is nothing so unpredictable as this kind of situation. A terrible sadness for so very many people. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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There used to be a solution for this situation until then President Clinton and Mr. Annan put them on the terrorist top 10 list. I believe their name was Executive Outcomes. Did fine work in Sierra Leon and Mogadishu. Sad situation in Zim. Perry | |||
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We have been to Zimbabwe six times since 1994. Everytime we return it is like coming home. Over the years we have made very good friends. Our prayers and hopes go out for everyone in Zim that has to suffer through this crisis. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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I am booked with Lance Nesbitt in mid may for ten days in the Dande. While I'd hate loose this opportunity to hunt with my friend Lance. My true concern goes to the fine people of Zimbabwe. I hope all is well and that this dies down without bloodshed. | |||
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David Hulme, how is Roger and family doing in the Save? I hope Humani is not being invaded!!!! | |||
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