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A ten year old girl at the school I sub at killed a huge brown bear on the peninsula. It stands about 12 feet tall and the taxidermist used three foam bears to get the size to fit the skin. Estimated weight was close to a ton. A big lion would weigh 1/4th of this amount. With that ratio, I would bet on the bear. After all, I'm 220 pounds and can kick the crap of any and all 55 pounders I know. LOL. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I'll get Brett to check the Brazilian Ju-Jitsu place next to his clinic for the right 55 pounder for you Cal.  ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I remember reading some time ago about such shows that were put up the early 1900s in the US. The surprise was the speed and ease with which the grizzly killed the lions. In Siberia the tigers which weigh 650 lbs+ regularly kill brown bears and eat them. In India the tigers weigh 500 lbs and they kill sloth bears as well as Himalayan black bears - both are smaller but very aggressive. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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there is no official report of an amur adult brown bear been killed by a an amur tiger. there is reports of amour tiger killed by adult brown bear male. in the nature both are trying to avoid any encounter there is certainly a reason. i ve seen grizzly not an huge brown bear moving a dead moose. i ve seen lions taking buffalo but never alone, and it was not a cape buffalor but in CAR. the weight of yukon moose is not that small ... | |||
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This may be stupid and way off topic, but I'm a dog man. Could a wolf hang with a leopard at all? I believe wolves hunt in packs, but they seem to be the most aggressive canines and I'm just curious with all of these hypotheticals. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I am amazed this is even a debate. Grizzly vs. Lion is pretty obviously going to yield the Griz coming out on top. Frankly, I think even a really good sized black bear would likely come out on top if the lion insisted on a fight. | |||
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No. Wolves 80-140lbs. Adult male leopard 125-180lbs. Lone leopard 100% bad ass. Lone wolf not so much. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Hey Brett: Just want you to know where I got the facts on the weight of the Alaskan Brown Bear-Your own Fish and Game stats  :Brown Bear (Ursus arctos) Species Profile Description Uses Management Research Get Involved More Resources Photo of a Brown Bear play audioListenphoto galleryPhoto Gallerywatch videoVideotracks iconSign Brown Bear range map View Large Map Did You Know? By all indications, bears are extremely intelligent and most have individual personalities. Brown Bear Safety To learn about traveling, fishing and camping in bear country, see: Living With Bears. Description Life History Range and Habitat Status, Trends, and Threats Fast Facts Fast Facts Size Up to 1,500 lbs Distribution Brown bears occur throughout Alaska except on islands south of Frederick Sound in southeast Alaska, west of Unimak in the Aleutian Chain, and Bering Sea islands. Diet Onmivorous Predators Other Brown bears Reproduction Twins are most common, but litter sizes can range from 1 to 4 Remarks Can be a wide range of colors Other names Brown and grizzly are both used in Alaska Alaska Department of Fish and Game P.O. Box 115526 1255 W. 8th Street Juneau, AK 99811-5526 E-mail Us / Office Locations find us on Facebook Vimeo YouTube Fish & Game Home: About Us Join Us News Library Licenses/Permits Contact Us Accessibility OEO Statement Terms of Use Privacy Copyright Info Webmaster Copyright 2014 Alaska Department of Fish and Game | |||
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No contest. My money's on the bear! As a really big Alaskan brownie is reportedly 1000 to 1200+ lbs; A BIG brown bear or Grizzly whips the largest (550 lb) lion every time! (would be nearly like george foreman vs Mayweather) A much better match-up would be a large (500 lb) black bear, or grizzly vs the lion. That might be at best (for the lion) a draw. Its not just about size either....IMO: Bears are just plain f#@&*g tougher! Here is an very interesting (albeit sad) link: http://www.historybanter.com/a...-fighting-in-mexico/ Shows what really happened in a match of 700 lb grizzly & African lion.... | |||
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Ah, but remember the one fighter Foreman said when he was doing his comeback that he wouldn't go up against? Hint - he was a lot smaller. Btw, how about bear vs bear? Brown bear vs. polar bear? I've heard polar bears have only one reason to approach a person, to eat them. Now that's attitude for you... | |||
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ugh that was depressing. | |||
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...reading the link, it says the lion hit its head on the steel cage,and became disoriented for minute and in that time the bear failed to go on the attack....and there was no ultimate fight to the death. It seems the bear didn't have the brains[ or instincts] to put his apparent strength advantage, to full & proper offensive use. | |||
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agreed. we may not have progressed much in the last 100 years but,thankfully, we are past that level on entertainment( except maybe Jerry Springer).... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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My money is on the bear. | |||
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Seems the answer to this depends on the circumstances. What are their motivations? Assuming the bear doesn't see the lion first, and the lion's max size, hasn't eaten in a week and is obsessed with making a meal of the bear. What then? Then assume the bear is defending her cubs. What then? This could have different outcomes. Btw, regarding the earlier reference here to George Foreman...he said during his comeback that the one guy he would not agree to fight was Mike Tyson, who was really in size just barely a heavyweight. But Tyson, pound for pound, imo in his prime could have taken any heavyweight. So, size ain't all. | |||
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Our local mt lions regularly hammer lone wolves. Bioligists here report there have been 5 confirmed collared wolves killed by cats. I don't believe a north american mt lion is any match for a leopard. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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American lions and Saber toothed cats are extinct-- still have the bears-----Now we know who won  "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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