Putting all the earlier posts aside for a moment lets review the 45-70 as the Ultimate Game Stopper.
Yes we know that with proper bullets/loadings the 45-70 is capable of deep penetration, in some cases better than the 458 Winchester Magnum.
We can do the math and come up with a TKO rating between
54-60. (pretty big punch there) However these are statistics that one cannot necessarily count on in the field when encountering dangerous game.
Mother Nature has a way of outwitting us sometimes.
However it is safe to say that a 500grain hard cast bullet at around 1600-1700fps is going to pack a whaloop.
Perhaps not as much as a 416 Rigby or 458 Lott but a serious punch that can definitely get the job done.
With that said let's review DG hunting a moment. The reason we go DG hunting is because it is just that, DG. Correct?
I mean we don't really hunt Cape Buff for burger meat do we?
IPSO/Facto therefore.... for those that feel the caliber might be somewhat lacking, doesn't that simply increase the challenge of your hunting experience? Put aside what the PH says for a moment. What does he care, he just wants to stay safe and collect his $$. For him it's just a job.
For you and I it is an long awaited and saved up for adventure.
Yes I consent that the 45-70 doesnt' pack the power as some other calibers. But is does pack more than enough and certainly adds to the excitement.
Which to me makes it the ultimate D/G stopper.
C

Is there a way to set ignore mode by topic, user alone doesn't seem to be enough.

I am sorry if my post offended you.
(you sack of crap)

If you folow that logic ( or lack thereof) then if we REALLY wanted to have the ULTIMATE game stopper, we should revert back to using muzzeloaders. The 45/70 will never amount to anything ore than a gimmick gun for dangerous game. If not, then there would be least ONE PH that would use it. jorge

If you folow that logic ( or lack thereof) then if we REALLY wanted to have the ULTIMATE game stopper, we should revert back to using muzzeloaders. The 45/70 will never amount to anything ore than a gimmick gun for dangerous game. If not, then there would be leat ONE PH that would use it. jorge

Black Powder does not allow for the quick follow up shot. If it did the logic would apply.
C

74 viewings in under 15 minutes.
It would seem the grand ole 45-70 still generates an awful lot of interest even amongst this den of doubters.
C

Carmelo,
I really don't think it has anything to do with 45-70. They are just checking to see who is stirring the pot this time.
Bryan

Well my post was not meant as a pot stirrer.
Just speaking my mind in a forum. And the post is not 0ff-topic.
C

Carmelo: It's amazing how you can paint PHs with one stroke like that, I admire them for their courage, intelligence, wit and social skills, something that you obviosuly lack. Your obvious ignorance continues to show. There are and were black powder doubles AND repeaters. I'm sorry if my picture offended you. It's not a fighter really, but a T-2 Buckeye, one of the Navy's trainers. Been doing it for about 23 years now, FLying tactical aircraft off aircraft carriers. That picture was taken about 3 years ago when I was an instructor. It's been a great career, with two combat deployments to Desert Storm in 91 and Enduring Freedom in 02. Wonder what you were doing then, wearing Pampers and crapping on yourself? Anyhow, I strongly recommend my line of work, beats the hell out of really working for a living, only with a name like "carmelo" I'd would hesitate to go into my business. On second thought becoming a PH is out also, I wouldn't want a guy named "Carmelo" as a wing man in combat or next to me in the bush. jorge

Hahahahaha
Words of wisdom from a guy named Jorge?
Thats a good one.

C

So don't bring it on a D/G hunt.
But I doubt you will ever be going on a D/G. They take balls.
C

Fjold: Nice picture! But I'm afraid you made Carmelo nervous( that's spanish for Caramel folks as in "Candy"- ass), he's probably waiting on his marriage license on the steps of City Hall in San Francisco. Nice coeback there, "candy." jorge

Folks if you ever wondered what a troll is, you are seeing a classic example in this string. The originator makes a statement meant to inflame people and then replies with more of the same. Then when it's pointed out that he's wrong on something he resorts to personal attacks. You can't get a better example than that.

Nickudu can you make this string a permanent sticky at the top of the boards so that whenever anyone asks what a troll is, we can just refer them to this?

Thanks.

I don't really know why you guys feel my original post was so imflammatory?
Unless you are very paranoid about something.
As far as the comments read the posts from the fat ass in the toy plane.
How can one be serious when that is what you have to deal with.
If I am responded to in a reasonable manner I will return a reasonable response.
C

Sorry Fjold, I can not do that at the moment as I find myself totally fixated on your signature photo. Santa-Maria!

Now there is the most reasonable thing I heard all day.
C

Hello Carmelo,

Just for curiosity, how many times have you been to Africa, and how much game have you taken there?

Mike

Going to Namibia in May.
As of yet I have never been there.
But am booked and ready to go.
By the way, take a guess what caliber I am bringing with me?
C

There you go Fjold and Nick, Fjold graces us with that moving masterpiece ( and his assertion regarding trolls) and mr. Candy's fixated on my FAT ASS! I guess I was right about "Candy." jorge

Who are you hunting with, and what do you plan on taking?

Mike

I won't be posting the Outfitters information here due to the ill will I seem to have from many posters on the forum. I don't want my Guide bombarded with Hate email.
I will be bringing the 45-70 for larger game and my 06 for smaller plains animals.
C

Yep, still here.Oh yeah, don't forget when you go to Namibia, to tell your PH how you have no respect for him or any PH like you posted above, be specific like whay you wrote that they are not really hunters. Only over there, you won't be hiding behind a keyboard, "Candy."

Carmelo,

Are you hunting buffalo or elephant?

Mike

Hey Horhay,
Now why would I say that to him?
I am paying this clown to lead me to where the game is, since Namibia doesn't happen to be my home turf.
Outside of that I could care less about him.
I am not relying on him for anything but showing me where the game is.
I will handle the rest.
C

Carmello you are full of bullshit! I think you are a coward. Why don't you post who you are hunting with? You know that you are a big fraud.

urdubob

Hot diggity dog......I'm moving to Bakersfield.

Carmelo,
You are absolutely correct to refuse to give details of your plans for your hunt. There is an element on this board that would make every effort to sabotage your trip. They go into paroxysms of fury at the mere mention of the 45-70, accusing you of being nothing short of the Antichrist. No rational discussion of it is possible without descending rapidly into name-calling. The goal is to drive you from the board. Hang in there.
Regards

If I am not mistaken you will only have to pay a trophy fee, since there is no license fee. But you probably are hunting in the Caprivi if there are buffalo present. However there is small populations on some of the game management areas but they have very limited access. There is only to my knowledge 3 operators in the Caprivi that have buffalo, so it would be easy to find out.

Mike

Buehl.....is that you Buehl? New name? Okay Sweet Thing now your gonna go show the world your a man and shoot thosee big nasties in Namibia with that Buffalo Gun? Great, I'm sure the Springboks and Red Hartebeast will fall over dead at the word of your coming. HeHe

I know I shouldn't respond but, Geez is this guy The Big Dufus or what?

Carmelo

You need to go to troll school and I am thinking of opening such a school

You are doing nearly all the postings on the thread but good trolling allows you to sit back and watch and just every so often throw a few drops of petrol on the fire.

Mike

Many of us would not send hate mail..Take that 45/70 to Namibia and all will laugh at your...Results...

Mike

Garrett must give these guys free ammo for keeping this B.S. going.