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As of 29 June we moved into a modified level 4 lockdown which is as follows:

~ Curfew from 21:00-04:00 except for essential service workers
~ All sit down restaurants closed, only takeout permitted
~ No alcohol sales permitted
~ No gatherings (church, political, recreational) other than funerals (limited to 50 people)
~ Gauteng borders closed for recreational travel purposes, business travel, goods transport AND through transit to airports still allowed.

So all in all we are still open for visitors, you will need a negative COVID test done 2-3 days before you arrive, as things stand at the moment that is the only requirement.

I would recommend that you take out travel insurance (mostly looking at the flights); pretty sure the outfitter will postpone if borders are closed due to COVID.

Will be nice to meet up if you do decide to come through.
 
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I had two clients through ORT 3 days ago without any issues at all. It would seem the only negative to travel through ORT is if you have to layover you can't eat at the Intercontinental.

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So is hunting business travel? Would be hard to con vince some zealous cop at a roadblock that hunting was not "recreation" ..


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I find it fascinating that booking agents are still actively encouraging people, many of whom are clearly hi-risk, to travel to third world places in these times.

The outfitter I've used in the past in Brazil is doing the same. Brazil is probably the most dangerous place (Covid wise) you could go to.

I booked a trip on a new river, with a new outfitter. He has cancelled our group twice. I'm grateful that at least some folks have their clients health and best interest in mind, regardless losing bookings.


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I wouldn’t travel through Manaus for anything!


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...The outfitter I've used in the past in Brazil is doing the same. Brazil is probably the most dangerous place (Covid wise) you could go to.
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Also, don't forget Yellow Fever in Brazil either.
 
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"I find it fascinating that booking agents are still actively encouraging people, many of whom are clearly hi-risk, to travel to third world places in these times."


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I'm not sure understand your comment: Are virtually all of the 'high risk' Americans not vaccinated at this point? Meaning all those who want the vaccine...

I certainly understand someone not traveling if they are worried about getting stuck somewhere (if a case spike shut a country down) if that's what you mean.
 
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I am going to two covid hot spots in August.

India and Brazil.

I am vaccinated and I selected the Pfizer vaccine. It has been show effective against both Indian Delta plus and Brazilian variant.

Getting back to US (between and after trips) I will stay away from family, get tested, not hunt opening day and stay away from hunting buddies.

I would not travel without a good vaccine (mRNA based).

I expect there will be little social distancing on the fishing trip.

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So is hunting business travel? Would be hard to con vince some zealous cop at a roadblock that hunting was not "recreation" ..


Agriculture, hunting, fishing, forestry and related services fall under “essential services” in the Disaster Management Act and an "essential services permit" can be issued to Hunting Outfitters.

In terms of the regulations, travel for all essential services are permitted between Provinces - provided travelers are in possession of a valid "travel permit".

Outfitters who have a valid "essential services permit" can issue "travel permits" to their clients and many clients have been transferred over the Gauteng border since the implementation of Level 4 Lockdown without incident at any roadblock - including yours truly.

Whilst clients might be here on a "recreational" trip from their personal perspective, they perform an essential service as far as wildlife management is concerned.


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Yea, no kidding. Yet, Acute keeps encouraging trips.

Ralph is going. He's 73 and has cancer.

And Mike, I'm vaccinated as well, and I had Covid. I'm not so worried about my health but the possibilities of shutting down all air travel or the US border while away.

You do you, I'll do me.


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"I find it fascinating that booking agents are still actively encouraging people, many of whom are clearly hi-risk, to travel to third world places in these times."


Ahrenberg,
I'm not sure understand your comment: Are virtually all of the 'high risk' Americans not vaccinated at this point? Meaning all those who want the vaccine...

I certainly understand someone not traveling if they are worried about getting stuck somewhere (if a case spike shut a country down) if that's what you mean.


Yes, getting stuck in some third world country isnt my idea of either fun or a vacation.


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Got it, makes perfect sense.

That was my only concern for my daughter and I going to Zim last month. But we brought our laptops & worst case we'd have been at a hotel but able to work (albeit with an ugly time differential!)

Best case in that situation, find an outfitter with a Leopard on quota, arrange a wire transfer & head back into the bush! rotflmo
 
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Yea, no kidding. Yet, Acute keeps encouraging trips.

Ralph is going. He's 73 and has cancer.

And Mike, I'm vaccinated as well, and I had Covid. I'm not so worried about my health but the possibilities of shutting down all air travel or the US border while away.

You do you, I'll do me.


if i was Ralph I would not travel.

I am not too worried about Brazil US travel being shut down as both countries got slammed hard by covid and US travel back for US citizens was never shut down. I have a back up plan to live and work out of Sau Paolo if that is never needed.

I am surprised acute is doing trips but they are.

I would not want to be unvaccinated and sitting in a tight charter flight.

More worried about travel in and out of India than Brazil.

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Well, I haven't been to Africa in four years and it's time. I am flying business class so will have no seatmates on the way over and back and no crowded charter flights. It's a long charter and I'll be the only passenger on a Cessna Caravan, unless the PH flies in with me.
 
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Best case in that situation, find an outfitter with a Leopard on quota, arrange a wire transfer & head back into the bush! rotflmo


That's actually exactly what I would do if my return flight from Zimbabwe got canceled. It would be like getting stranded in Disneyworld. Big Grin
 
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Surprised nobody is mentioning the civil war that's about to break out between the central govt and the KZN branch of the ANC. If one of the protesters gets shot, all hell will break loose.


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Well, I haven't been to Africa in four years and it's time. I am flying business class so will have no seatmates on the way over and back and no crowded charter flights. It's a long charter and I'll be the only passenger on a Cessna Caravan, unless the PH flies in with me.


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I returned from SA yesterday. Damn glad I cancelled my trip to Zim as the lockdown intensified the first of July.

RSA was safe and fine. Hunting is not deterred as it is deemed essential travel. I saw road blocks to check inter provincial travel but passed dthrough quickly with the documents showing I was hunting. All I needed were my SAP 520 rifle permit, letter of invitation, hunt contract, and airline itinerary.


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I refuse to go hunt in any country where I have to pass through stupid road blocks!

I go hunting to enjoy myself.

Not to be aggravated by silly officials.


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I've had clients in RSA since March. None had problems entering or exiting. Delta cancelling flights left and right led to alternative airlines/flights and most at a reduced cost. $2,600 for business class made for happy travelers. Now Zim, that could be a different story. LDK


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Surprised nobody is mentioning the civil war that's about to break out between the central govt and the KZN branch of the ANC. If one of the protesters gets shot, all hell will break loose.


Really?


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Just got back Monday. All went well.
 
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Surprised nobody is mentioning the civil war that's about to break out between the central govt and the KZN branch of the ANC. If one of the protesters gets shot, all hell will break loose.


Really?


The civil war in South Africa is no different to the civil war in the US.

It will continue to simmer, but life goes on.


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Yes it's similar .. burning, looting, mainly urban, racial or tribal divisions being exploited, supporters of one politician and political ideology vs. another. Although I don't see much difference in ideology between the Zuma wing and the Ramaphosa wing .. they are both Marxist. In the USA, the Trump supporters are definitely not Marxist. And they are, for the most part, not burning or looting anything.

Really


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Is Emirates doing their flight to Zam and Zim??


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I am going to two covid hot spots in August.

India and Brazil.

I am vaccinated and I selected the Pfizer vaccine. It has been show effective against both Indian Delta plus and Brazilian variant.

Getting back to US (between and after trips) I will stay away from family, get tested, not hunt opening day and stay away from hunting buddies.

I would not travel without a good vaccine (mRNA based).

I expect there will be little social distancing on the fishing trip.

Mike


I read recently that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at blocking the Delta variant. I originally signed up for one of Mark's hunts, but given the fact that you can test positive at the last minute even with a vaccine is just not worth the hassle to me, to say nothing of coming up positive when you are ready to come home and being forced to quarantine.

We were supposed to go fishing next week in LaPaz, Mexico but the guy I use there recommended we delay until September for the same reason.


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There are underlying tensions in RSA that will likely manifest in the current situation.

1. The W Cape wants to secede. Expect that to pick up momentum now.
2. There is growing anti-white sentiment among the youth, expect that to result in racial violence.
3. The Suidlanders have been preparing for the collapse of the country, expect them to make a move now to achieve their goal of a homeland for the Afrikaner "Volk".
4. The Chinese will find a way to capitalize on this .. soldiers with food and guns
5. The Zulus feel they got the short end of the stick, they will continue to act out and may try another Mfecane (think Rwanda).
6. The ANC has been losing support, expect them to pull a "Mugabe" to hang onto their supporters.

I don't see this settling down any time soon. The UN may have to step in, as they have done in other African countries. But that won't solve anything, they are ineffective.

I think this may be a turning point, and not for the better. Think the Congo .. for many years run by warlords. Think Angola, 20 years of civil war. Think Uganda, Idi Amin. Think Rwanda, genocide.

Bottom line, don't show up and expect your Passport to save your lily white ass.


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I am going to two covid hot spots in August.

India and Brazil.

I am vaccinated and I selected the Pfizer vaccine. It has been show effective against both Indian Delta plus and Brazilian variant.

Getting back to US (between and after trips) I will stay away from family, get tested, not hunt opening day and stay away from hunting buddies.

I would not travel without a good vaccine (mRNA based).

I expect there will be little social distancing on the fishing trip.

Mike


I read recently that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at blocking the Delta variant. I originally signed up for one of Mark's hunts, but given the fact that you can test positive at the last minute even with a vaccine is just not worth the hassle to me, to say nothing of coming up positive when you are ready to come home and being forced to quarantine.

We were supposed to go fishing next week in LaPaz, Mexico but the guy I use there recommended we delay until September for the same reason.


There is a risk you can still get covid but you won’t get hospitalized ect. According to yesterday’s financial times their survey of recents studies shows

If you have 2 doses of pfizer - protected against hospitalization is
England - 96 percent
Israel - 93 perfect


Just make sure your business and personal affairs are in order that one has to sit out 2 weeks in Brazil or India. Not an issue for me - I can do my stuff on internet ect.

The tour operator does not require all people going to be vaccinated. Would take a brave soul to get on a small plane unvaccinated and go in the middle of the Amazon.

I do care more about making sure I am covid free when I meet my parents in India and US and will stay away from them till I get a PCR test between trips.

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STUDIES have shown that Pfizer vaccine is only 23% effective in fisherman. Furthermore, wannabe shooters using Blasers who are fishermen, reduce this efficacy down to 12%.

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Report in the “Latest Medical Update On COVID-19”

STUDIES have shown that Pfizer vaccine is only 23% effective in fisherman. Furthermore, wannabe shooters using Blasers who are fishermen, reduce this efficacy down to 12%.

Best vaccine for those mentioned above is a special version specifically made by Sinopharm.

It is made from the milk of Chinese haddock! clap


Better than being dragged by the Dubai authorities and getting vaccinated after the tobacco and lime juice cocktail showed little success dancing

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Andrew, that's funny. Less than normal. A one rifle safari this time, first time I've only taken one rifle, but not the first time I've only shot one rifle. One rifle case, one duffel and one backpack carryon. That's all. Choice of plane deals with the length of the flight.
 
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I am going to two covid hot spots in August.

India and Brazil.

I am vaccinated and I selected the Pfizer vaccine. It has been show effective against both Indian Delta plus and Brazilian variant.

Getting back to US (between and after trips) I will stay away from family, get tested, not hunt opening day and stay away from hunting buddies.

I would not travel without a good vaccine (mRNA based).

I expect there will be little social distancing on the fishing trip.

Mike


I read recently that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at blocking the Delta variant. I originally signed up for one of Mark's hunts, but given the fact that you can test positive at the last minute even with a vaccine is just not worth the hassle to me, to say nothing of coming up positive when you are ready to come home and being forced to quarantine.

We were supposed to go fishing next week in LaPaz, Mexico but the guy I use there recommended we delay until September for the same reason.


There is a risk you can still get covid but you won’t get hospitalized ect. According to yesterday’s financial times their survey of recents studies shows

If you have 2 doses of pfizer - protected against hospitalization is
England - 96 percent
Israel - 93 perfect


Just make sure your business and personal affairs are in order that one has to sit out 2 weeks in Brazil or India. Not an issue for me - I can do my stuff on internet ect.

The tour operator does not require all people going to be vaccinated. Would take a brave soul to get on a small plane unvaccinated and go in the middle of the Amazon.

I do care more about making sure I am covid free when I meet my parents in India and US and will stay away from them till I get a PCR test between trips.

Mike


I agree about the hospitalization issues; it protects against that, but isn't terribly effective preventing a positive PCR test.

If you test positive the day before you are scheduled to fly to Africa, you safari isn't going to happen. That does it for me. I am going on two elk hunts and a deer hunt here in the US.


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I agree about the hospitalization issues; it protects against that, but isn't terribly effective preventing a positive PCR test.

If you test positive the day before you are scheduled to fly to Africa, you safari isn't going to happen. That does it for me.


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I am going to two covid hot spots in August.

India and Brazil.

I am vaccinated and I selected the Pfizer vaccine. It has been show effective against both Indian Delta plus and Brazilian variant.

Getting back to US (between and after trips) I will stay away from family, get tested, not hunt opening day and stay away from hunting buddies.

I would not travel without a good vaccine (mRNA based).

I expect there will be little social distancing on the fishing trip.

Mike


I read recently that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at blocking the Delta variant. I originally signed up for one of Mark's hunts, but given the fact that you can test positive at the last minute even with a vaccine is just not worth the hassle to me, to say nothing of coming up positive when you are ready to come home and being forced to quarantine.

We were supposed to go fishing next week in LaPaz, Mexico but the guy I use there recommended we delay until September for the same reason.


There is a risk you can still get covid but you won’t get hospitalized ect. According to yesterday’s financial times their survey of recents studies shows

If you have 2 doses of pfizer - protected against hospitalization is
England - 96 percent
Israel - 93 perfect


Just make sure your business and personal affairs are in order that one has to sit out 2 weeks in Brazil or India. Not an issue for me - I can do my stuff on internet ect.

The tour operator does not require all people going to be vaccinated. Would take a brave soul to get on a small plane unvaccinated and go in the middle of the Amazon.

I do care more about making sure I am covid free when I meet my parents in India and US and will stay away from them till I get a PCR test between trips.

Mike


I agree about the hospitalization issues; it protects against that, but isn't terribly effective preventing a positive PCR test.

If you test positive the day before you are scheduled to fly to Africa, you safari isn't going to happen. That does it for me. I am going on two elk hunts and a deer hunt here in the US.


I have had to cancel trips because family members have gotten sick and hospitalized and even had my ph die due to a freak accident.

I just work under assumption stuff happens. I price that into my hunting and fishing vacations.

I am glad people will be tested to fly. Will make more likely that any unvaccinated is also covid free.

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COVID is here to stay. It is now an endemic human pathogen. It has reached all corners of the earth and will be here for eternity.

Vaccines protect the vaccinated to the extent possible — the degree unique to each person.

Vaccination is available anytime at request free to anyone and everyone in USA and most of the first world — I assume.

At this point, the airline preflight COVID testing makes little medical sense to me.

I am all ears to hear logical reasoning pro.

As for international travel…proof of full vaccination completed 2 weeks prior to entry at least makes logical medical sense to me — albeit I am not advocating for it.

I see no data that the pre-flight testing program helps fight the disease at this stage but it certainly does inhibit commerce.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

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I will just listen to Fauci. sofa


I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.

Marcus Cady

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