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While we are on the subject of drugs, as someone that has done a fair amount of international travel I think that sleeping pills are an important travel aid. When the travel is north and south, with little change in time zones, the need for sleeping pills is limited. But for travel east and west across multiple time zones, I think sleeping pills are a very useful tool to help regulate your body and avoid jet lag. For those that use sleeping pills for international travel, what brands do you use? Last year we used Ambien with great success. No hangover feeling in the morning, relatively fast acting, no strange dreams, etc. Mike | ||
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10mg of Ambien. Works great. Works even better with a nightcap. Best thing for jet-lag since CNN international. -Steve --------  www.zonedar.com If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning DRSS C&H 475 NE -------- | |||
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Sonata or Lunesta. Problem with Lunesta is that it can leave a funny metal taste the next morning. And of course Ambien. I personally prefer sonata 20mg. | |||
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I have a sleep disorder so anything that I can take needs to work. Ambian actualy keeps me awake. During a sleep test by one of my neurologist gave me some and the tests proved it.I got 100 minutes of sleep out of 6 hours and thats after taking a heavy dose of Ambien. Guess I'm wired backwards. I take some meds now that will put you asleep!!!! At night I must take 2 tranxene (to relax me) and 200mg of Serquil (i will check spelling). It Works great and the only side effect is a little dry mouth. I won't leave home without it! | |||
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Something that helped me sleep on the flight was melatonin; OTC, no lagging side effects. Actually with my sleep on the plane I managed to time it right so that I was readjusting my sleep patterns to African time. Caleb | |||
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don't know anything about jet lag but i do use a sleep aid..... i use the same thing as benedril..... get it at wal-mart as sinus meds it's called dyphenhydromine on the little print on the label....... i told my dr i was taking that to help me get sleep an he said that's about all it's good for.......... just my .02................ | |||
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Another vote for Ambien....10 mg broke in half w/a nightcap. I tried Lunesta, but got that funny metal taste too. | |||
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This topic reminds me of something that happened to an anethytist friend of mine who used "pre-med" drugs when flying... I don't know the name of the particular medication he was using but apparently it is very effective in that it results in temporary amnesia which lets users "forget" about the uncomfortable plane ride and sleeping position. My friend and his wife were flying to Switzerland and after taking the tablet he realized he needed the lavatory. When he hadn't returned after about half-an-hour his wife asked the stewardess to see if he was still in the lavatory. When no-one answered after some serious knocking on the lavatory door they eventually opened the door - just to find my friend sitting on the toilet with his pants on his ankles... fast asleep... And try as they might they couldn't wake the poor guy up! Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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When I travel east to Africa I have no time zone problems. When I travel west to Iowa or Texas which is only one hour difference I suffer. Las Vegas which is 3 hours really hurts. I traveled to Taiwan once which is 12 hours and thought I was going to die. The best sleeping pill is a spending a night in a tent on any chilly African evening. | |||
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Ambien works good but I now have started using the over the counter drug Bonine. It is a motion sickness pill. I take the recomended amount and drink a glass of wine and I am out for the rest of the flight. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Ambien worked for me...even in that irksome cattlecar SAA calls the Airbus. No jetlag, no other bothersome side effects. For me, the perfect way to kill time on a trans-atlantic flight. | |||
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Johnny Walkers Petent cures for all ills is hard to beat  Rohypnil (the date rape drug of choice at UZ) guarantees you take off happy in Jo'berg and wake up in Reno- How the heck I got through US Immigration I have no idea  Dormicum is a better sedative and doesn't have the memory loss effects of rohypnil | |||
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I wouldn't be to keen on taking a date rape pill, you might wake up with a worse than metal taste in your mouth! Ambien works fine for me (get the 10 mg and break them in half for most circumstances) You can disolve it under your tounge for quick resluts, I don't like the CR which is supposed to keep you down longer and more evenly since it is harder to overcome if you must become awake quicker than the 8 hours. Mike O my latest favorite bumper sticker reads: Animal rights is "anti fur" instead of "anti leather" because "its a lot safer to throw paint on rich women than on motorcycle gangs!!!" | |||
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I vote for Lunesta. Take one and get a solid 6-8 hours of sleep on the plane and I don't wake up groggy or feeling like I just closed the bar. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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Ambien and no after effects..Even break pill in half to put one down into sleep.... Even had a doctor who asked me for one on flight back and he washed it down with a wine.. Told me he slept like a baby...Thanked me profusely... Mike | |||
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I use large quantities of Windsor & soda, in lieu of that Tylenol PM works ok for me. | |||
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As a result of an accident I had four years ago. My sleep clock is broken, busted, kaput, permanently. As a result I've been a test bed for sleep aids. Taking ambien more than three days in a row shreds my short term memory. It's bad, real bad. Watch out for that side effect. Taking Aricept to counteract the effects work but is a pretty expensive ridiculous route to go. Melatonin helps and exposure to sunlight purges it from your system pretty quickly. It's not infoulable. I've tried Rozerem and it tanked. No help after 3 weeks of trying. Lunesta works quite well for me. All the sleep aids I've been on are sorely diminished in effectiveness for me with alcohol. So beware of that. Some sleep aids don't work for some people. | |||
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Ambien 10 mg. is my drug of choice. It's fast, and hangover free. Dissolving under the tongue makes it faster. I agree that the CR may be a disadvantage, with it's long lasting effect. If you wake up on the plane and can't drop off again, just take another. Be careful to take it when you really want to go to sleep. It can screw with your coordination, making your gait ataxic. Walking around on a crowded plane could be a little more challenging than you expect. Now if only SAA would give a little legroom, those of us over six feet wouldn't have to wake up to find another uncomfortable position every half hour. | |||
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Ambien. | |||
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When I was on active duty and traveling often to Asia a Flight Surgeon prescribed Temazepam. The few times I used it I was able to travel East over 9 time zones and arrive with absolutely no jet-lag. Ask your doctor about it. John Farner If you haven't, please join the NRA! | |||
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Oh and take once the wheels are up on the plane. Reminded me of a funny story my friend told. He took an Ambien as he got seated in the airplane...well after sitting on the ramp due to delays they had to deboard and get on another plane...he said he was bumping into the seats staggering down the ilse, lucky to remember his carry-on bag! Since he told me that, I take mine once the landing gear is up. | |||
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two tylenol PM and a glass of cabernet Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Generally speaking and in most all cases one of the the key reasons WE dont sleep that well in a plane or anywhere for that matter is because we are (keyed up and on the edge) for one reason or another. Therfore (bearing that in mind) one of the optimal best things to do is to relax and then sleep will IN FACT come NATURALLY once we are relaxed. I personally swear by XANAX (relaxent) it works everytime, and that way you dont get the side effects of sleeping pills, which actually unnaturally knock you out, a seditive or tranquiliser (does not knock you out per se) it allows us to drift off to sleep (quite easily) once we become relaxed, whereas sleeping pills tend to interfer with our memory and blank us out to a degree Cheers, Peter | |||
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Hennesey XO OR Ambien CR 6,25 1-2 tabs before bedtime. If you're an American first check with your insurance to make sure it's on the formulary. Since they're cheap alos look at good 'ole benzos (temazepam, flurazepam,....) for SHORT term treatment. If you're also depressed Elavil or Desyrel might be a good choice. | |||
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When I find myself on exciting trips,hunts,vacations, I can go with very little sleep.These are moments in life when I prefer to be awake.The only time I would worry about it is if I had to drive,work,etc..right after the flight, but would then arrange so I wouldn't have to. | |||
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Considering the possible danger of Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) on long flights, I would have thought that taking a sleeping pill was NOT a good idea. See: http://www.minerals.csiro.au/safety/ecs.htm To avoid DVT, it is recommended to keep your limps and body moving, at least to some degree and that is not going to happen if you are bombed out. I am more than happy to cope with a little jet lag at the other end if it means that I am fit and healthy to enjoy my trip (and the rest of my life!). Speaking of jet lag, I find the best way to cope is to adopt the new time zone from the moment you get off the aircraft. It doesn't matter how tired I am, I will not go to bed until the locals go and I get up with the locals - in just a day or so, I am operating as normal in the new time zone. I have never used sleeping pills and don't want to. I enjoy the entire experience of flying long distances (perhaps a hangover from my days as aircrew on P3 Orions!!!). When I fly from Australia to Africa, I find that a good book will almost certainly fill the trip for me. On my last trip I read Wilbur Smith's "Elephant Song" on the way over and "The Leopard Hunts in Darknesss" on the way back - those two books were almost the perfect length for those flights! (And I am glad that the Zimbabwean customs goons didn't check my luggage too closely as they are both banned books in Zim, as I found out later, as they make reference to Zim corruption!). "White men with their ridiculous civilization lie far from me. No longer need I be a slave to money" (W.D.M Bell) www.cybersafaris.com.au | |||
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I work halfway around the world from Texas, and travel to and fro on a regular basis. Ambien is my drug of choice, but you do have to time it right, if you are just planning on sleeping on the plane. It also helps out the next day to get your sleep timing down. Deep Vein Thrombosis is a concern on airplanes, as is Cardiac arrest, Cerebral Vascular accidents, and a myriad of other medical issues. You will not be in a coma (at least I'm not) with Ambien, so you can move around to the toilet, etc. I have yet to witness anything other than obnoxious drunks and one diabetic incident. Ambien for me. Glen A. Vaughn | |||
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As a traveler. I too have tried many of the sleep aids/meds. Most prescription sleep aids are reccomended for 2 weeks etc. to help establish sleep patterens. Such as Ambien which comes in 5mg and 10mg dosing. The 10mg can easily be broken in half and most prescription co-pays are the same so if there is insurance involved get the 10's and break them in half.If you really have trouble sleeping, the 10 should get it done. The Ambien CR, [controlled release] is actually approved by the FDA for more extended use,,,I'm sure there is a reason for the longer term use approval, I do not remember what it was. They come in 6.5mg and 12mg and are coated so you should not break them in half. All sleep aids have some side effects and different people respond differently. Make sure that whatever you are going to use,, try it at home first! Stuck on an 18 hr plane flight and being "wigged" out on sleep meds and alcohol could ruin your trip. I personally do not take any sleep meds while in flight due to the threat of deep vein thrombosis,, I am 52 and in good physical condition with no previous vascular problems but I am generally get so wired tight on the way over I couldn't sleep with pills and or alcohol. I will use Ambien once I get there to get my days and nights straight and will do the same when I return. I am a very light sleeper normally and in a noisy camp,,, tent or hutch will some snoring,ok, with my buddies,, a lot of snoring! small bed or cot, the ambien will allow me a better night of rest without the "hangover" effect of some of the older med's that are out there. Lunesta works for me as well but it does leave a metallic taste in your mouth,, could be worse if a cigar was involved! Like I said earlier, if you are going to use any sleep meds,, try them like you would need to use it at home. Throw in some Larium for malaria, an Ambien, a couple of good stiff sundowners you may be swinging from trees before sunrise. As was mentioned before, timing is important, make sure you have 6-8 hours to sleep after you take it,, no plane chnages, etc. I have had none of the side effects reported in the literature as of now and will have the ambien in my flight bag with the rest of my meds when I head over again. drwes you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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Hope some of you can help me with this dilemma. I'm booked for Namibia in August, 2008. I have sleep apnea and use a CPAP machine to sleep at night. I've been using it for 7 years, and honestly am so used to it, I can't even hope to get to sleep without it. Also, sleeping pills are contra-indicated for my condition. So, I won't be taking any medication to sleep, but in order to actually get to sleep I need to run my machine, which requires a 120/240V outlet. I don't fly often, and didn't even think to look the last time I was on a plane, so I don't know (and doubt) if there are any outlets on your average plane. I'm wondering about any suggestions. I know that sleep apnea is not uncommon, and more and more people are using CPAP, so I can't be the only person facing this problem. | |||
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I find that if I take a nap from noon to around 3 (which is 3am to 6am Pacific time) in Africa, I feel pretty darn good even if I wake up really early the first few days .... which is not a bad thing as hunting requires an early start anyway. If I can keep this pattern up, I don't have as much trouble when I get back either. I think the body gets used to two naps a day...and doesn't care which one is which. That's possibly a lot more natural than one longer sleep each day. Now if you are chasing after elephants or buffalo all day long, this won't be practical. But 90% of the time, you can pull it off. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Look at your machine and see how many cycles,, or Hertz it will run on. It will say something like 120voltstz/60hertz on the input. Also look if there is a power reducer, what it says the output is, that is what your CPAP machine actually functions on and that is ultimately what you will have to make sure you can produce regardless of the power source. Newer plug adaptars for most of our cell phones or video camera chargers handle a larger range of power supplies. A great deal of the power supply when you get there will be 240/v 60-50 hertz If yours only handles 50 hertz or 60 hertz you will see smoke!!!The wrong cycle will fry them as well as the wrong voltage. Everything electrical I take handles 100-240 voltz and 50-60 hertz and I have no problems. You may need plug adaptars that handle the weird shaped plugs but you can buy them anywhere. If your camp is run on generators,,,,, most are shut off at night and lighting is by 12 volt battery reserve. You need to check with your outfitter now and see if electricity is available at night. Check with your air carrier and see what power supply is available for the flight but more importantly make sure there is electrical power where you end up. Many of our phones and cameras, computers actually run on 12 voltz with less than 50 watts. You might need to get a different power cord or hookup for your CPAP machine and will need to check with the manufacturer. Wherever you purchased your machine probably can tell you what you will need if you find out what is available when you fly or get to Africa and your outfitter can give you that info. good luck! drwes you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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Re CPAP Portable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilevel_positive_airway_pressure ............................................. | |||
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Just seen on the news that the FDA, is sending warnings about Ambien, Lunesta, etc. Apparently it's causing some bizarre behaviour, all in a sleep walking kind of way. | |||
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Talk to your doctor. There are two hour class and six hour class sleeping pills. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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The first time I flew from Atlanta to Jo-Berg, I was so keyed up, I could not sleep. My hunting buddy took an Ambien and was fine. I read my books, suffered with the loud drunks behind me. Why did they have to man-handle my headrest in order to stand up to go to the bathroom, every 20-30 minutes? When we landed, I was awake for over 24 hours and I was in Africa. There is no-way I am going to miss anything!!! Six hours to drive to the ranch, several hours of tours and drinks and fantastic food, I am glad I stayed awake for almost 42 hours. I saw and experienced so much on the long drive to the ranch. Our driver gave us a running commentary on the animals, land, landmarks, history, geography, vegetation, commerce, and just about everything else in between that we saw and asked about. These are great memories I call on. I do not want to sleep through the experience to Africa. Tahiti and the ex is another story and waste of time. Africa, I will take being awake and enjoying every moment, as they are far and few in between for me. If I could go more often, perhaps things would be different. Enjoy your journrey as it is part of the trip and your memories!!! When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults! | |||
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My doctor prescribed temazepam to avoid problems with ambian. Took one in San Francisco and woke up upon landing at Dulles. Took one over the Atlantic and slept all the way to africa. Did the same in reverse and arrived fresh and well rested going both ways. Gave one to a woman at afton house who hadnt slept for two days going over and she got nine hours of sleep that night. Those were the first sleep aid Ive ever taken and they worked great for me. | |||
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the more you take the longer you will sleep!!! DANIEL | |||
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Gunny,, Tamezapam is in a class of drugs called "Benzodiazipines" also in this group are diazepam, valium, ativan, and prozac. They are prescribed to reduce anxiety or encourage sleep. They do have side effects,, like most meds, which include drowsiness[go figure], forgetfulness, confusion, depression, and digestive problems. Some people become violent or over excited on the medication. You build up a tolerance to the meds, they are all physically addictive and become ineffective after 14 days continuous use. There are problems with deep vein thrombosis with this class of drugs as well. Sudden stoppage if using this med will cause withdrawal symptoms worse than the side effects. This being said, I wouldn't have a problem taking a valium after take off headed across the big pond. My point was.... all meds have side effects...As I posted earlier, make sure you try whatever med you plan on taking before you are ready to go so you can make sure there are no adverse side effects to you personnally. Getting on the plan and taking a sleep aid for the first time and chasing it with a cocktail could yield some unwanted surprises. good luck. you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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BwanaBob gives good advice, and I follow it. Although it would be great to get some decent sleep, DVT is a real concern. That's why those corny cartoon characters keep flashing on the video screen. Talk about something that rubs my last nerve, but the airlines has liability concerns and are only giving us good advice. FYI: Ambien is now available as a generic. If I could get away with sleeping in the floor, I'd take one  LDKGray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I was told to start a light aspirin dose 3 days ahead as a preventative for DVT. Also, my Doc suggests(make that insists!) that Ambien has been eclipsed in performance and a lack of side effects by Rozerem. He had perscribed Ambien the last 6 times over. The noise reduction headphones are huge for me. I found an "off" brand at Best Buy several years ago and they work fine. | |||
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