To all those posting here that would NEVER book with Ray, I am sure you are causing Ray many sleepless nights NOT! Political correctness is not one of his many charms. I had some reservations about Ray before this string, but thanks to all I am now favorably inclined toward Ray. See you'll in Dallas, oh and be sure to stop by and say "Hi" to Ray.

I used to enjoy reading 500's posts and articles on hunting very much and think it is a shame that he has been banned from the board.

Saying that however, his behaviour on the political forum was embarrassing to say the least. The idea that he was banned for some trivial disagreement with the management is in my humble opinion, ludicrous.

Tasteless and offensive posting, whether to do with hunting or a large chunk of the US citizenry, gives ammunition to antis and others who would paint hunters in a bad light as an excuse to ban this, that and the other thing.

The dichotomy that struck me was that he would not consider posting about quarry as offensively as he posted about a large chunk of the US population.

Therefore he was perfectly acceptable in the hunting forums and a liability on the political forum.

Imagine the headline on a slow news day “Hunting racists also murder cute animals, see actual quotes in this months Peta magazine!”.

It may be an idea to let 500 back onto the hunting forums and just remove his PF privileges.

GH

Ghubert, why don't you contact Don the administrator a/k/a the Banner and plead 500s case for reinstatement. I would but seeing as other posters pleaded my case for reinstatement I doubt I could do 500 much good. Damn I hope I don't get banned again for this post. As I have said the Political board is a good board to stay away from if you are passionate about politics. It did me in so it is forbidden territory for me.

The political forum on this web-site is a garbage bin, and there is nothing democratic about it at all. It seems the powers that be, decide what is free speech, and what is not. In my mind, what you post there is free speech, as long as it is lock step with the adminestrator's opinion.

I have no idea what the 500grains thing was about, nor do I care, but I suspect, if the truth were known, just as many might agree with 500, as do the other side!

That is one place that nobody wins except the man with the delete trigger! On second thought, there is no winner on any political forum, because no matter how well you present your case, it will not change the mind of anyone who has an opposing view, so all "discussions" ( actually shit slingers ) remain as they started, with both sides still thinking the same way they did before,with only anger the final result! So why bother going there?

..................

This is the same Ghubert who likes to call other posters on the Political Board "f**kwits" criticizing someone else's posting?

Probably, but that is the way of that forum, eh.

I've been to the political forum one time, a few weeks ago, around the time of the election. I was shocked at all the anti's there. Well, you might not call them anti's, but if they vote for democrats/liberals, I go ahead and lump them all together. It is amazing to me that, on a board such as this, a bunch of liberals like those guys would be allowed to moderate. It's a dark dead end alley for a conservative. I saw that right away and left never to return. You just can't fix stupid.

As for Ray, he's been very helpful to me with load development, especially where the heavy Woodleighs were concerned. I met him in Dallas last year and found him to be a nice fellow. Maybe becasue all my friends are hard-asses and crass like Ray, so I'm used to that. I'll miss him, but I'll talk to him over at the campfire.

David

BE VERY CAREFUL with any and all load data provided by Ray. His hot .404 Jeff data would not even allow for all of the powder to fit into a case..

MacD37: We use to affectionately refer to things like that as "Bible Bashing" (a politically correct phrase by the way), where neither side's argument changes the other side's position.

David, look forward to seeing you in Dallas, from one hard ass to another.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
To all those posting here that would NEVER book with Ray, I am sure you are causing Ray many sleepless nights NOT! Political correctness is not one of his many charms. I had some reservations about Ray before this string, but thanks to all I am now favorably inclined toward Ray. See you'll in Dallas, oh and be sure to stop by and say "Hi" to Ray.

I don't think those that won't book with Ray aren't worried about his sleep, but their own peace of mind, sleep and bank account.

While I have never booked with Ray, a friend, who posts here, did and had a bad experience. That is enough for me. YMMV, any I hope if you choose to book with Ray, everything works out for both of you.

Ray may very well be the greatest guy in person and grossly misunderstood, but I wouldn't book with him. Too much drama surrounds him, and there are too many other choices out there.

I don't have any personal animosity toward him and certainly don't wish him ill, but again, too much baggage for me to trade money for services with him. To be fair, he would likely be a very entertaining drinking buddy.

Didn't someone say experience is learning from your mistakes and wisdom is learning from the mistakes of someone else?

quote:

Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
This is the same Ghubert who likes to call other posters on the Political Board "f**kwits" criticizing someone else's posting?

Yes that would be me.

The poster in question was calling an entire nation animals.

In the same circumstances I would do exactly the same.

Irrespective of poster or country.

Get over it Charles and keep this sort of discussion in the Political forum where it belongs. You failed to take exception on the occasion mentioned above, my advice is not to let it eat at you

I played a lot of rugby at school and uni, we had a rule that could be summarized as “gentlemen off the pitch, tyrants on”.

I rather liked it.

Regards,

GH

I had no idea 500 grains was banned, and must admit he had some good info to contribute.

But if he used the word "nigger" then he should have been banned.

This site is privately owned; there is no right to free speech. We need to be more inclusive in the shooting and hunting sports, not less. We also have an obligation to showpiece ourselves in the best possible manner.

This NRA Life Member happens to know the NRA supports inclusion - gays and lesbians too if they are gun owners. I would suggest anyone who is offended by that think long and hard about what is more important to them - guns or racial hatred/prejudices.

I have met people that are completely different in person than on the internet. Having said that if Ray is anything in person like he appears to be on here I would check my pockets if I were to ever shake his hand.

Ed,

Unfortunately I won't be making Dallas this year. Work won't allow. Gonna hate missing it though. Was really looking forward to seeing all you guys again.

As to my comments about who is allowed to be moderator, I mean no disrespect to Saeed or others who make those decisions. I understand it's tough finding people to take that job. It just seems that the moderator over there, and most of the posters, align themselves with the liberals/democrats, who as a party, are anti-gun and anti-hunting. That runs 180 degrees from the foundation of this website. Again, just the humble opinion of an ignorant Alabama backwoods redneck. Don't count for much I don't imagine.

David

David, it is ammusing that the administrator on this site, which just can't by its nature be lefty, would be one with such a liberal bent. As a conservate I would die for our and his right of freedon of religon, speach and to bear arms, but the leftist just can't or won't do the same. JMO, there I go again, Ed just shut up.

quote:

Originally posted by surestrike:
BE VERY CAREFUL with any and all load data provided by Ray. His hot .404 Jeff data would not even allow for all of the powder to fit into a case..

You got that right...
Some of the data and "Ray Physics" are dangerous and potential injurious.

quote:

Originally posted by x2mosg:
Ed,

Unfortunately I won't be making Dallas this year. Work won't allow. Gonna hate missing it though. Was really looking forward to seeing all you guys again.

As to my comments about who is allowed to be moderator, I mean no disrespect to Saeed or others who make those decisions. I understand it's tough finding people to take that job. It just seems that the moderator over there, and most of the posters, align themselves with the liberals/democrats, who as a party, are anti-gun and anti-hunting. That runs 180 degrees from the foundation of this website. Again, just the humble opinion of an ignorant Alabama backwoods redneck. Don't count for much I don't imagine.

David

It might be "your humble opinion" Mate, but your summation is spot on.

The Political Forum is controlled by a "liberal/democrat whose party is anti-gun and anti-hunting" and it certainly does run 180 degrees from the foundation of this website. If the moderator doesn't like a post or it against what he believes, it is deleted, plain and simple. Or in the case of 500 grains, bannished!!

The sad result of this bias is that guys like 500 grains get banned and the African Forum loses one of its most knowledgeable contributors.

The score? Moderators 1
Forum members 0

I suppose you guys in America will have to get used to this kind of treatment when the new "regime" assumes power.

If you have forgotten when that date is, just go to the Political Forum where there is a large digital clock that is counting down by the "second" to that auspicious moment. Someone over there is clearly wetting his pants with excitement about the incoming government.

I would have thought that the prospect of tighter gun ownership and hunting rules would not excite many on a forum such as this. Clearly I got that one wrong!!

Expect this post to be deleted without further notice.

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If you have forgotten when that date is, just go to the Political Forum where there is a large digital clock that is counting down by the "second" to that auspicious moment. Someone over there is clearly wetting his pants with excitement about the incoming government.

It is also known as the doomsday clock.

Yes, it is paradoxical that a hunting and shooting related website encourages liberal and anti-American ideology on one of its forums.

Regarding Ray,

I understand his not coming back to the forums. He's from my part of the world originally and I know the mindset.

He simply doesn't need an bunch of BS from those either unqualified / less qualified than he. At his age he's happier hang'n with his kind and going rope'n with the family and friends.

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't deserve an audience.

Seems Ray decided it was time - Amen!

JW

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Regarding Ray,

I understand his not coming back to the forums. He's from my part of the world originally and I know the mindset.

He simply doesn't need an bunch of BS from those either unqualified / less qualified than he. At his age he's happier hang'n with his kind and going rope'n with the family and friends.

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't deserve an audience.

Seems Ray decided it was time - Amen!

JW

Ray has left in a huff before, only to come back a few months later.

There was a time that Ray could post anything for sale and people would line up to pay his asking price. Lately his stuff sat around for quite a while without selling. There has been a marked change around this place.

Jason

quote:

Originally posted by David Culpepper:

quote:

If you have forgotten when that date is, just go to the Political Forum where there is a large digital clock that is counting down by the "second" to that auspicious moment. Someone over there is clearly wetting his pants with excitement about the incoming government.

It is also known as the doomsday clock.

Better believe it.

Ghubert -- as you have PM'd your advice, I will not respond at length here but merely say that I will take my own counsel as to how and where to post and I will strive to comply with the terms of service of AR on whatever part of the site I find myself.

quote:

Welcome to the AccurateReloading.com forums. They are free, all we ask in return is you obey our three suggestions. We ask you be civil to your fellow members, refrain from posting pictures not related to hunting and shooting and do not spam our board. Thanks and enjoy. Saeed and Don

quote:

Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Ghubert, why don't you contact Don the administrator a/k/a the Banner and plead 500s case for reinstatement. I would but seeing as other posters pleaded my case for reinstatement I doubt I could do 500 much good. Damn I hope I don't get banned again for this post. As I have said the Political board is a good board to stay away from if you are passionate about politics. It did me in so it is forbidden territory for me.

A number of us have done just that but to no avail.

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Regarding Ray,

I understand his not coming back to the forums. He's from my part of the world originally and I know the mindset.

He simply doesn't need an bunch of BS from those either unqualified / less qualified than he. At his age he's happier hang'n with his kind and going rope'n with the family and friends.

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't deserve an audience.

Seems Ray decided it was time - Amen!

JW

On the contrary, Ray is the one who cut and ran when he was called AGAIN on one of his numerous lies or misleading posts regarding his hunting offers. He'll be back or he won't but anyone who believes all of his BS does so at their peril.

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Regarding Ray,

I understand his not coming back to the forums. He's from my part of the world originally and I know the mindset.

He simply doesn't need an bunch of BS from those either unqualified / less qualified than he. At his age he's happier hang'n with his kind and going rope'n with the family and friends.

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't deserve an audience.

Seems Ray decided it was time - Amen!

JW

Jeff

Ray is the typical caricature that most people have of Texans. A loud mouthed Bully that is so full of Bull Shit that if you hit him on the head the only thing you would have left is a hat and cowboy boots.

He lied about his guns and loading. He lied about his African Hunting. He abused and tried to intimidate those that weren't fooled by his BS or afraid of his bluster.

If you haven't seen this in his posts, his deletion of posts and his downright lying in posts than you haven't been reading them.

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
I used to enjoy reading 500's posts and articles on hunting very much and think it is a shame that he has been banned from the board.

Saying that however, his behaviour on the political forum was embarrassing to say the least. The idea that he was banned for some trivial disagreement with the management is in my humble opinion, ludicrous.

Tasteless and offensive posting, whether to do with hunting or a large chunk of the US citizenry, gives ammunition to antis and others who would paint hunters in a bad light as an excuse to ban this, that and the other thing.

The dichotomy that struck me was that he would not consider posting about quarry as offensively as he posted about a large chunk of the US population.

Therefore he was perfectly acceptable in the hunting forums and a liability on the political forum.

Imagine the headline on a slow news day “Hunting racists also murder cute animals, see actual quotes in this months Peta magazine!”.

It may be an idea to let 500 back onto the hunting forums and just remove his PF privileges.

GH

+1 Well Said

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
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It may be an idea to let 500 back onto the hunting forums and just remove his PF privileges.

GH

'Let 500 back onto the hunting forums'?

Aren't you assuming that 500Grains wants to come back to the Hunting Forums?

quote:

Originally posted by Tembo:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
I used to enjoy reading 500's posts and articles on hunting very much and think it is a shame that he has been banned from the board.

Saying that however, his behaviour on the political forum was embarrassing to say the least. The idea that he was banned for some trivial disagreement with the management is in my humble opinion, ludicrous.

Tasteless and offensive posting, whether to do with hunting or a large chunk of the US citizenry, gives ammunition to antis and others who would paint hunters in a bad light as an excuse to ban this, that and the other thing.

The dichotomy that struck me was that he would not consider posting about quarry as offensively as he posted about a large chunk of the US population.

Therefore he was perfectly acceptable in the hunting forums and a liability on the political forum.

Imagine the headline on a slow news day “Hunting racists also murder cute animals, see actual quotes in this months Peta magazine!”.

It may be an idea to let 500 back onto the hunting forums and just remove his PF privileges.

GH

+1 Well Said

Now let me see if I've got this right.

If we don't like what someone says in a political or religious sense, then we simply ban or delete it. ("it's my way or the highway")

Gotcha.

Now I understand.

quote:

Originally posted by Jarrod:
I have met people that are completely different in person than on the internet. Having said that if Ray is anything in person like he appears to be on here I would check my pockets if I were to ever shake his hand.

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Regarding Ray,

I understand his not coming back to the forums. He's from my part of the world originally and I know the mindset.

He simply doesn't need an bunch of BS from those either unqualified / less qualified than he. At his age he's happier hang'n with his kind and going rope'n with the family and friends.

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't deserve an audience.

Seems Ray decided it was time - Amen!

JW

Jeff,
If what you said was a true description of Ray, then Ray must not think much of himself as he violated the principles he said he worked and lived by.

He is now dispensing his brand of wisdom on the 24hourcampfire. He will be found out over there soon enough as people can see what is really happening.

I do not think he is a liar, just a bit dillussional about reality. I think he really believes he has done all he claims he has done and is the authority on guns and reloading. He was called out to prove his words and did not chose to verify what he was saying on a few occassions.

I suspect he is an "ok" agent, but I would not trust my money with him to deliver a world class hunt.

quote:

Originally posted by pichon1:

quote:

Originally posted by Tembo:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
I used to enjoy reading 500's posts and articles on hunting very much and think it is a shame that he has been banned from the board.

Saying that however, his behaviour on the political forum was embarrassing to say the least. The idea that he was banned for some trivial disagreement with the management is in my humble opinion, ludicrous.

Tasteless and offensive posting, whether to do with hunting or a large chunk of the US citizenry, gives ammunition to antis and others who would paint hunters in a bad light as an excuse to ban this, that and the other thing.

The dichotomy that struck me was that he would not consider posting about quarry as offensively as he posted about a large chunk of the US population.

Therefore he was perfectly acceptable in the hunting forums and a liability on the political forum.

Imagine the headline on a slow news day “Hunting racists also murder cute animals, see actual quotes in this months Peta magazine!”.

It may be an idea to let 500 back onto the hunting forums and just remove his PF privileges.

GH

+1 Well Said

Now let me see if I've got this right.

If we don't like what someone says in a political or religious sense, then we simply ban or delete it. ("it's my way or the highway")

Gotcha.

Now I understand.

NOPE, 500 constantly posted the word nigger, after he was warned NUMEROUS times to knock it off. He also posted pictures where Michelle Obama morphed into a chimp ad nauseum. His posts were extremely racist. I have nothing against free speech, but Dan stepped way over the bounds of good taste. Most of the stuff he posted came directly from chimout,com, an extremely racist site. We as gun owners and hunters don't need to be associated with that kind of redneck shit-period.

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Originally posted by Tembo:

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He also posted pictures where Michelle Obama morphed into a chimp ad nauseum. His posts were extremely racist.

You mean like those pictures DRG and DaMan posted of George Bush morphing into a chimp? Pictures like those?

What about all the Lefties calling Bush the Chimperor. Is that the kind of stuff you are speaking of?

quote:

Good for Ray - comes a time when the phony, coward-ass'd types don't

Geez....Ray was one of the 'colorful characters' we run into around here! How could he be a banned guy? He's a real deal! I don't always agree with him but at least he makes a stand. For that matter ol 500 grains wasn't necessarily my kind of guy, but I dealt with him on some matters and he was straight arrow. So maybe he went over the edge but at least he was consistent. To my way of thinking consistent is good. I don't have to agree with someone, but respect when they are consistent.

We have a "moderator" on the PF who is anything but. He is a rabid liberal and can't stand anyone who disagrees with him. He supports a few left-wing members who post obnoxious text and photographs critical of his political opposition, but will do nothing.

No doubt, Dan was occasionally over the top and I'm not a big fan of his. But arbitrariness is the hallmark of moderation on the political forum. There, free exchange of ideas is a rarity. Political correctness runs rampant. Obama would love it.

Regarding Ray, I did get a functional load from him on the 350grain .375 Woodleigh that I'll be using in Tanzania in July.

I haven't noticed any of the discord mentioned concerning him.

Of course, anyone is free to leave if they want to.

quote:

Where is Ray?

Where's Elvis....who cares.....Adios...

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Put me in the camp of someone that misses the knowledge represented by both Ray and Dan (500grains). As someone noted above, there is no substitute for experience and both gentlemen had plenty of real experience as opposed to ...

Do you really think 500grains and "ol'Ray" are in the same category?

The stuff Dan says he has done he probably has, unlike ....

quote:

Originally posted by Pegleg:
Where has Ray gone and has anyone heard from him?

Try HuntAmerica? Oops I forgot, he was run off from HA years ago for his BS before becoming a resident expert on AR.

Ray is "drifting", he has better to keep a low profile.

Dan is absolutely different. Not pontificating, knows what he talks about, his assessments being concise and accurate, almost definitive.

Perhaps suffering of bouts of road rage, but on the ARPF, just symmetrically "mirroring" Don.
He also has gift for provocation.
No one can beat him for demining BS.

in memoriam of Dan, just this little clip

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