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Originally posted by Bryce Dillabough:
At the end of the day, this still has to be a money issue. Who is getting paid by who to make these decisions to get their way? I just don't believe that these decisions are made simply by knee-jerk, anti-hunting, emotional sentiments.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

As crazy as it may sound and as unsavory as it may be to some, perhaps those who preserve habitat and wildlife through hunting dollars need to spend some of those dollars convincing the powers at hand in Africa that it's "personally" profitable for them to continue to allow hunting in their countries.

Feel free to read between my lines.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Gents:
The solution is simple. Those that have an interest in hunting--PHs, clients, taxidermists, etc.--need to pool a large amount of cash and offer it to whom ever has the power to reinstate hunting. I know this sounds stupid, but what is the best way to get things done in much of Africa?
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Gents:
The solution is simple. Those that have an interest in hunting--PHs, clients, taxidermists, etc.--need to pool a large amount of cash and offer it to whom ever has the power to reinstate hunting. I know this sounds stupid, but what is the best way to get things done in much of Africa?
Cal

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Originally posted by A.Dahlgren:
Damn sad over these two places that I have visited but never had the chance to hunt.


I have been told or heard that in Zambia greed had a big part with the decision to do.

Is that just rumours or does it hold some truth ?

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Originally posted by Caracal:
What's your plan now for royal kafue, Andrew?

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

As crazy as it may sound and as unsavory as it may be to some, perhaps those who preserve habitat and wildlife through hunting dollars need to spend some of those dollars convincing the powers at hand in Africa that it's "personally" profitable for them to continue to allow hunting in their countries.

Feel free to read between my lines.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

There's no way you'll ever outbid the antis.

I appreciate the hunting world has lots of money but they don't have as much as the antis can raise.

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Originally posted by Milo Shanghai:
Just bear in mind that the local politicians/civil servants stand to make more cash from an unregulated market than one that is organised and above board.

Officially ban everything and then take a bribe for allowing it to occur.

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Originally posted by Indi:
IMHO
Each case is a case.
I never heard about fraudulent tender processes and big corruption problems in Botswana hunting community .
I heard exactly the contrary in Zambia or even in Tanzania.


Someone post " hunting will resume in 2014 under a well managed and regulated system " - and this is for me a fulcral point .
Lots of times we hear that hunting activities are not bringing the necessary funds for the countries - is this reasonable ? I think in most cases it is.
Mozambique revenues from hunting in 2011 was $ 670.000,00.
And this includes animal license fees, client's hunting licenses, Ph's licenses and concession fees.
Honestly - how can they have a good control on hunting activities in all senses with such an amount of money? How can a country give the necessary attention to all hunting and conservation aspects with such an amount of money? How can a country , with this amount of money have minimum control over poaching or monitorization of the concession operators?
Total quota for elephant was 95 and paid licenses were 24.
Total quota for lion was 56 and paid licenses were 18.
Total quota for leopard was 106 and paid licenses were 42.
It is hard for me to believe in these figures and also for the Mozambique Government that pointed out in a recent meeting with the operators that they knew about some of them to overshoot or to shot without paying.
Around 40% of the operators are not presenting the activity report ( mandatory) at the end of every season.
My point is - there are extremely good operators in every country but also shitty ones that do not deserve a second chance .......but they are still out there and this is not only in Mozambique.
One of them was even caught with American clients inside the Marromeu Complex and just because he is " influent"" is still operating......and selling in Sci exhibitions!!!! The same one that had to run quickly from Zimbabwe a few years back!
This kind of operators must imho be totally banned from this industry because they are only doing well to themselves and not to the communities where they hunt nor to the hunting in general.
The whole process is not right from the beggining and unless the governments & hunting organizations are more assertive , disciplinary, decisive and honest , hunting community will not survive.
Of course this is only one of the urgent needs of our industry - much more are needed but not for today's post.
Cheers

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Originally posted by Indi:
Matt - I agree totally with you on the "" colateral"" benefits and i am sure they pay attention to them BUT you know in 2008 the number of hunters was 530 and in 2011 this number decreased to 335 which means that collateral benefits are also falling althought not necessarily in the same proportion.
Please do not misunderstand me , i was trying to point one fact only that is crucial but not the only one for the survival of hunting which is a " well managed and regulated system ".
I am a hunter and i will defend hunting untill i die but on the other hand i see many bad thinghs done also by US and not only from governments don't you think ?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

My next business idea is a Lion Adopt where as you adopt a Lion cub in the wild and you name it and receive a digital weekly update along with photographs of your Lion. You get a framed certificate of ownership and a stream of begging letters requesting funding.

These funds will be used to throw glitzy cocktail parties and will enable me a fantastic salary and to purchase essential items such as the latest Landcruiser and boat. Although not qualified I could become Africa's Mr Lion or Simba for short. My charity would be non profit which would legalise the expenditure on myself.

I would grow my hair long and then troll sites such as these and threaten bodily harm to the families of those who dare to hunt my precious Lions.

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I think all is not lost there is hope with the new board in place.