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Having taken a blue and black wildebeest on a prior hunt to S. Africa, my question is how many different color variations of the Blue wildebeest are there? and what areas are they found? post a pic if you have one, thanks. | ||
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There are 5 categories of huntable wildebeest, listed here w/some additional info: http://www.wild-about-you.com/AfricaGame.htm Basically, of the ones you do not have, you will find huntable numbers: - Cooksen in Luangwa Valley (Zambia) - White Bearded in Masailand (Tanzania) - Nyasa in Selous (Tanzania) I've shot all but the Cooksen's as the concession that I hunted (Lower Lupande) did not have huntable numbers. My White Bearded is still at the taxidermist, as they look very similar to the others (excluding the Black, which are just plain cool) and real estate on the walls is tight. | |||
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AK, There is a blue, black, white bearded, Nyasa and Cookson's. The black is the only one that looks remarkably different than the others. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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When we hunted with Infinito Safaris last year outside of Groblersdol, SA, they took us by a breeding farm that was trying to do some "designer" breeding. We saw a golden wildebeest and black impala. I have them on video, but no print photos. Maybe Charl or Frederik have photos they can post. Seemed like the rancher was trying to come up with something he could sell at specialty prices. Regards, D. Nelson | |||
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I can't wait until they brew Fire-Tiger, Crawfish and Coachdog Wildebeest. Those will make interesting rugs  Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Thanks for the info. guys...I guess the one I saw was some where on here was one that was very light colored, it was perhaps the white bearded, but way lighter than the ones in the pic from above. I was surprized of the variety of duikers, wow! there's some beauties in there...really like that zebra duiker...thanks for the post! | |||
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There are two species of wildebeest: Black (Connochaetes gnou) Common or brindled (Connochaetes taurinus). Five subspecies of the common wildebeest have been recognized: Blue (C.t. taurinus) Nyasa (C.t. johnstoni) Cookson (C.t. cooksoni) Western white-bearded (C.t. mearnsi) Eastern white-bearded (C.t. albojubatus) SCI combines the two white-bearded wildebeests in a single category. Bill Quimby | |||
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Here is a Nyasa from East Africa.. I love the color. Mike  | |||
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Mike, I think you'll find that technically speaking, that's probably a hybrid. A full blooded nyasaland wildebeest has a very definite white bar across it's snout. I've got some pics somewhere but am having trouble finding the damn things..... if I can track them down, I'll post a pic. | |||
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Here you go buddy:  FWIW, I'd say the hybrids are rarer than any of 'em. | |||
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And one more in color  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Yeah, sorry about the B&W...... I lost about 3000 images a while ago and only had that B&W one left.  | |||
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Here's another hybrid:  | |||
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That is quite remarkable as it is almost identical to the Cookson's here in Zambia, which often bears the white dots on either side of the nose but not the full band as Shakari has indicated. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Please confirm which one of the three is hybrid? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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The purebred ones have the solid white bar across the snout. When they have anything from a broken white bar to scattered white hair in a similar area they're crossbreeds...... but of course, if we got technical about it, I guess the only way to be 100% sure would be to DNA test them. The animal in the pic I posted with the really blue sky and white cloud with the big chap giving the thumbs up had more white than shows in the pic...... but it ain't a great pic! Have you got a pic of a Cookson's you can post? | |||
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Confirm the the fellow on the right is bearded? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Ah sorry..... I absolutely confirm the fellow on the right is actually a fine example of short, ugly, bearded bastard! | |||
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 Donner, that "wildebeast" is a result of recent efforts in "designer" breedings to mix a hereford bull with a blue wildebeast cow. The marbling in the meat is much more desireable and they are easier to harvest because they do not run around like they have bees in their heads. Last I heard, one of these "heredebeasts" was going for around $8k.  | |||
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If you have a copy of the Safari press 2008 Safari Guide you will will find one of my photos there but it does not show the whole animal nor the colouration which is very similar. One could almost assume that the Cookson's is then a hybrid of the Nyasaland and Blue? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Andrew, I'm not a vet or a scientist and probably Lane or Oryxhunter would be able to give a more informed opinion but I'm pretty damn sure you'll find it's a separate subspecies entirely rather than a crossbreed. Certainly the record books list it as a separate sub species. As I understand it, most crossbreeds are unable to breed further and so the line will always stop at the first generation.... not again, Lane and/or oryxhunter would be considerably better qualified to comment than I am. I always reckon the bloody wildebeests are the most confusing of all the animals to work out and the black one is the biggest pain in the arse of all. You could give the same skull and horns to 10 different measurers and would probably get 10 different measurements! | |||
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It's not every day you get to kill a critter that matches perfectly with the color of your rifle stock. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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I agree KG, the color of Mike's Wildebeest is outstanding. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Here is the Cookson Wildebeest I shot last August in Zambia.  Best regards, D. Nelson | |||
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Shakari is right, a DNA test is always going to tell give you the clear picture, but it is not always practical in the field. Sub-species are not yet separate species and can interbreed, although they are usually separated by some sort of barrier, be it geographical or whatever, but they are diverging to become separate species. You will probably find at the boundaries of these different wildebeest species distributions there would be a fair number of hybrids, but in the centre of their distributions, you will probably start to find more definate signs of a particular species eg the white moustache of the Nyasa. etc. | |||
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The line between species used to be defined by the inability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring, but some similar species CAN do this, so there's some ambiguity there. If I can get the whole story I'll post it here. Often the only barrier to mating is geographic isolation from the other, and at the borders between similar species, that barrier is no longer present. Andy | |||
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Is that Mark Martin from NASCAR? | |||
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I'm sure he'll be very flattered to read that comment but he's Peter Lang from Wales, a brilliant shot and hunter, funny as hell, allround clever bugger and a very good friend.  | |||
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