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Personally, I am tired of the incessant whining and complaining about SCI. Do they do things that annoy me? YES! Do they do things that I think are wrong? YES! Do I think the inner circle awards are a big negative? YES! I am not an SCI apologist. It seems that many threads on AR turn into an SCI bash fest on a frequent basis. This includes some threads that should have nothing to do with SCI. Yet, these threads often turn to SCI. Perhaps the most shocking anti- SCI rants came over the elephant importation ban. It appeared to me that some were actually wanting SCI to fail. This truly shocked me. This attitude resulted in AR losing one of its most respected posters. If you don't like SCI, fine I get it. All the bitching and complaining on AR is going to make no difference at all. Why don't you use your efforts to either (a) change SCI or (b) get involved with another organization like the NRA or DSC? One thing is crystal clear to me. When we as hunters are divided among ourselves, we ARE going to lose. Gentlemen, I believe this is a serious matter. I have personally made attempts to change SCI. Without going into the details, this ended up costing me a lot of money. Emphasis on a lot. I have given heavily to the NRA and and likely to get personally involved with these hunting initiative. Please do something constructive. The same old bitching and complaining is really annoying and is accomplishing absolutely ZERO IMHO. | ||
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I agree Larry I'll add to it how I see it and expressed it before They are doing lot of good and that's good enough for me I pay membership, Ai go to local chapter gatherings and I go to Show every year I enjoy it and spend money there to support them " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Just an observation from the Peanut Gallery. Yes, all too often discussions in this topic area turn into SCI bashing sessions. It does get annoying to many folks especially SCI supporters. But would not the same happen if upper echelon members of NRA or DSC were caught and convicted, breaking the very laws and ethics they claim to believe in seemingly for nothing more than notoriety or in an attempt to garner an award or increase in status within the organization. What kind of message does that send to rank and file members of any organization if a blind eye is turned toward the activities of the leaders of the organization? What kind of message concerning the organization does that send to Non-Members and the Public in general? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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DSC should stand right besides SCI as well and so should all the other hunting groups Pool your money " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Why should DSC stand besides SCI ... a club that has been hit by one scandal after the other? DSC doesn't need that kind of publicity! Larry, you obviously meant well but you put your money on stricken horse. | |||
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I think that is really the heart of the matter, and is undoubtedly, and unfortunately, true. Even worse, I actually feel some take perverse pleasure in SCI's problems and set backs. Mike | |||
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WRT the "bashing" sessions that occur in some posts on ANY forum cause me to exit the thread and not return. Time is too precious to waste on such. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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We are all in this together Some of you quit complaining, we all love debates so don't run off and do something or at least say something positive ladies :-) " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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very well said Larry. I have bee n a SCI member for quite awhile now and shall continue to be. shane | |||
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how about a live and let live attitude?? you don't really need to pay attention to either side of this or any other dispute. all sides usually have so validity about them. | |||
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I thought that had to do with statements concerning a hunt report and not SCI unless we are thinking different respected posters. I fully agree about the bickering not only about SCI but about a few other hot button topics. Trouble when you bring this up is you get accused for restricting someone's freedom to express their opinion even when the opinion has the shit stirring effect that was the actual intent in the first place. Hunter's united may well be an oxymoron anymore. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I have been a continuous member of SCI almost since it's inception, and just sent in my next membership check this week. I agree with Larry about the bashing being the result of any mention of SCI but where there is smoke there is usually fire simmering under the ashes. So it stands to reason people , members or other wise, will speak up! Though I am a long time member I have never been to one of their conventions for a couple of reasons that I will not go into here, but I will say I agreed with the reasons for DSC, and HSC when they broke ties with SCI, and have never missed one of the DSC conventions. I’ll be the first to say SCI does a lot of good in fighting for the hunting rights for us all, but on the flip side, I believe some of the things they allow are very detrimental to hunters as well. I will remain a member because of the good they do, but I will speak my opinion where the negative things they do come to light! ....................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I did...I dropped my membership years ago. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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A great answer! May be if more of members did this SCI might wake up!! I am a Life Member of all three - the NRA, SCI and DSC. I have been a member of SCI and the NRA for over 30 years, and joined DSC a few years ago because I saw what they are doing, and was very happy to be a member. The day SCI starts doing something useful, and stop all their silly postering, we will stop complaining. | |||
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I do not believe it is an Oxymoron, I just believe that it is a concept that will never happen. As a group, hunters are all PASSIONATE about hunting. They are ALL highly individualistic and opinionated with their core beliefs of what THEY feel hunting is or is not. Those concepts are never going to change. We are ALL as a group, too deeply rooted in what we, as individuals have come to believe what we consider as "Ethical Hunting Practices" should ALL be based on our individual opinions. We openly state that other hunters, even though what they are doing is perfectly legal and sanctioned under the authorities, should NOT consider or refer to themselves as Hunters, simply because what they are doing does not fall within our on personal beliefs/standards/ethics. We have all seen it in various discussions on this site and NOT just in this discussion area. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Larry, With all due respect sir...SCI is a bunch of airheads. Aaron and I along with help from George Hartley (and MANY others) did just that...we did something. We got all the lion experts of the world to agree that lion hunting under guidelines was "GOOD" for the lion. DSC agreed...signed on. SCI had the chance with USFW waiting with baited breath. What did they do??? NAFT...not gonna repeat what that acronym stands for. Sorry...while I still support them for what little they do do...they are wankers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I do not think Larry's point was that SCI is the answer . . . rather I think he was saying if you personally believe that SCI is not the answer (or believe they are the problem), instead of spending your time ranting and raving about SCI get behind the efforts of DSC or the NRA. Most seem to think that making a difference is synonymous with simply being a member. I nice first step to be sure but making difference involves a commitment beyond that. [Lane it is not necessary to describe the personal commitment you and Aaron and others made on the lion issue, my comment was directed at the membership at large, not you.] Mike | |||
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Are you really serious?? | |||
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Absolutely. Mike | |||
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I took that step several years ago. I first joined SCI, then realized that it just was not what I was looking for. Got my info initially about DSC from watching TAA. Called the office & Dixie Yeatts, one of our premier volunteers, answered & signed me up. Been pretty durn happy with that decision. IMHO, DSC stands head & shoulders above SCI & for the life of me can't understand why anyone would think DSC should work with SCI unless it was something major that the 2 of them needed to combine their clout. THEY ARE COMPETING INTITIES! I have been a volunteer at a couple of the conventions for DSC & found it very rewarding. Great people at DSC! Of course being a member of the NRA is a no-brainer for me. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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I agree with Larry, SCI does have pitfalls and cronies. . It comes with time and age. SCI has done more to preserve world hunting than any other organization, DSI haven't lived long enough to even scratch that surface.That being said it is only because it is still young in comparison.It too will come of age with it's pitfalls and cronies and in the meantime it will do good things too. We all need to stand together as hunters and support each other in worthwhile causes. The old united we stand goes a long way. I do agree the SCI magazine has gone to hell with articles on wine and cigars. I've written and complained to no avail.But I am a life member and have no regrets. | |||
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As I see it, SCI have the infrastructure, money, skills and contacts to be a massive force for good for African sport trophy hunting but history has shown they do far less than they could or should and if they put those things to good use instead then a lot more people would be willing to get behind them and that suggesting people should stop complaining and do something is rather putting the cart before the horse. | |||
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Steve, I think you miss my point. I have no problem about anyone complaining. All I am saying is that threads often turn to SCI for no apparent reason. The discussions have the same comments over and over. NOTHING said herein is going to change SCI. Let me give you an analogy. If I walk outside and see by grass is dying from lack of water, I might complain. If I did the same thing the next day and the next day and the next day............and the next day, my grass would still be dying if all I did was complain. However, I could elect to stop complaining and turn the sprinklers on. I think the industry has missed a golden opportunity to change SCI after their booking agency debacle. SCI was in full retreat. A survey was supposed to be sent out. Last I heard, this did not happen. No one in the industry has pushed. | |||
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Sage words those. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Larry The industry don't have a single voice to tell SCI what to do and that's part of the problem and is what ensures SCI can continue to do what they like, when they like, how they like, to who they like and that in turn is why they get so much criticism. If SCI behaved in a better manner then the criticisms (or at least, a lot of them) would stop. The only thing that will change SCI in any significant manner is SCI or more precisely, SCI Exec itself. | |||
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Don't complain.If you don't like the leadership then start your own club.It doesn't have to be big IMO.If you are the type that likes to deal with the issues that face hunters today and feel that you could be good at it then go ahead.To bitch about one organization and that it is not running the way you feel it should be shows only just that-that you like to bitch. | |||
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Shootaway I very much doubt that this thread is pointed at our good host as that would be in very poor taste indeed. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Anyone who is always bitching about SCI. | |||
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I am sorry if I offended one of your friends.Next time I will keep my mouth shut. | |||
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Doesn't SCI do lot of good for hunting worldwide? Does anyone do more ( DSC, HSC , RMEF, Sheep foundations etc ) They all do best they can, they all do awards, they all raise money, they all do show every year, they all have local chapters. Yes, they all run a bit different but in the end the purpose is the same. That's the way she blows right? At least that's what she said... And Kudos to Saeed for being able to take criticism, because in my opinion if you criticize, you will be critized That is for all of us " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Larry makes good points - get involved, move the SCI in the direction you want it to go. | |||
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My comments were not directed toward any single person. | |||
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I was a board director of the NY tristate chapter for around 5 years. I found that as with most volunteer organisations 10% do 90% of the work and the rest find something to bitch about. I can't remember who said it now, but as the saying goes if we dont hang together for sure we will hang separately. | |||
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I prefer DSC and their mission. SCI will be tough to fix due the entrenched old liners. I prefer to go forward with DSC. | |||
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Sounds like whining and complaining to me. SCI made their own bed. I have no sympathy for them, and have nothing to do with them. | |||
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For me it is simple. There are no organizations or groups that I agree with 100% but I believe that SCI does more good than harm for hunters and I enjoy the convention in Las Vegas. I have been a life member for some time just as I am a NRA life member. I will be joining DSC as a life member as I believe they too are good representatives for the hunting community. I also strongly believe that if something is worth complaining about you should instead DO something about it. If you are not willing to do anything about a situation then your bitching only reflects poorly on you. | |||
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I have said this several times before to what I am sure are sneers and jeers. What we need is a United Group of hunters that represent everyone from rabbit hunters to elephant hunters. Duck hunters to lion hunters all with same energy and mutual respect. Similar to the NRA. Now I am off to give Jennifer Anniston a back rub.... | |||
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. . . from your lips to God's ears. I guess there is no harm in hoping. Mike | |||
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And every time I bring it up silence...I hammered SCI leadership in Washington with the idea. To their credit they seemed very amenable. Jeff | |||
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