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I'm in the early stages of planning a knife only buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe, & need your input.

Here are my questions:

(1) What's the legal minimum knife length for Zim ?

(2) What knife did you use to kill your buffalo - be specific, length, double bladed, etc.

and

(3) Approx. how far was buff when you broke cover, ran up to it, and jumped on his back to cut its throat?

Please, bulls only, no sissy buffalo cow kills.

Thanks for your input.


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While it is true that buffalo have been killed with pocket knives, these are nothing more then stunt hunts, or were done a long time ago before they knew better and therefore don't count. I prefer a flat point machete, especially when in close cover.

PS - I propose a Poll on the subject.

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Don't know the minimum length but I used a 24 inch tapered and double edged... You could shave with it... A cold steel custom made... I sat on a branch and waited over a watering trail... Jumped down on him as he passed under the limb and upon impact and my weight buried knive up to the hilt.. Twisted and turned while it was in deep and you guessed right "the crap" hit the proverbial fan and it was flying all over the place while I hung on ..
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While I've seen bushbuck taken with a Leatherman, when it comes to buffalo my philosophy has always been.............
Use enough knife.


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Knives are for cissies. you guys need to try doing it with a knobkerrie or a shambok! Wink






 
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http://www.outdoorchannel.com/Shows/SavageWild/

On this weeks episode this cat killed a pet "killer" hog standing in a tree a chunking a spear. It was hilarious to watch.
 
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Who needs a knife, take him on mano on mano
 
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I do not know if it would kill but my darling children have told me on several occasions that my morning breath would stop a full blown buffalo charge.

I think that I will try it in Aug.


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I have a Japanese samuri sword that my dad brought back from WWII. I have thought about using this. I would want to dress in full samuri attire during the hunt. The only thing that has stopped me is that I have not been able to find the traditional sandals in size 13.


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Shit! I killed one with a nail clipper. Of course it was the MAGNUM version that works like a pair of wire cutters. Those puny things that work by pressing the thumb and forefinger together do not hold up in your typical buffalo brawl.

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In all seriousness, in 1987 I was hired to do some elephant cropping in the Omay North Concession of Zimbabwe. I was supposed to take- out forty cows and six bulls, had skinners and equipment all lined up. Creating, and or building one's on arrows, cartridges, or weapons is most gratifying when a kill is made. Thus having taken numerous whitetails, hogs, muledeer, elk, and one pronghorn[would have made Boone & Crockett had I used bow or gun], I figured the same method would work on elephant. Morning of the first hunt; sun was shining, slight breeze in our faces, trackers and I snuck up on a group of five adults- one a very large bull. Motioned for my trackers not to move, I began running as fast as I could around each elephant, cracking all four of their knees with my num chuks. When all five were down, I crushed each of their skulls utilizing over-hand blows. Leg meat was ruined.
 
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I believe Lynn Thompson, owner of Cold Steel knives actually did it for real with one of his spears.


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Will!

What ever you do, do not be tempted to try it with a pointed or RN tipped knife. One poster here tried a pointed tip knife on dry newspapers and the blade veered off course and turned 180 deg. It came out and stabbed him in the groin. Just missed his femoral artery but it duidn't have enough penetration to reach it. Grind your knife point down to a flat tipped shape to assure maximum straight line penetration.

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Just ask your PH. He will explain all.

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Who needs a knife?

I absolutely did kill one with my bad breath.

I won't kid you, though. It was dicey.

I had to get up close and personal and yell at him pretty loud.


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Will!

What ever you do, do not be tempted to try it with a pointed or RN tipped knife. One poster here tried a pointed tip knife on dry newspapers and the blade veered off course and turned 180 deg. It came out and stabbed him in the groin. Just missed his femoral artery but it duidn't have enough penetration to reach it. Grind your knife point down to a flat tipped shape to assure maximum straight line penetration.

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Now we know the truth! Mark Young is the man responsible for T.S.A. rules that disallow nail clippers on airplanes ! Thanks alot Mark!!!!


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I use a # 2 pencil with good results. I file the point to a flat tipped cone shape. Don't worry about the yellow color since they are color blind. What you need to do is find a cow in heat,and drench your self in her perfume.
Crawl into the herd and wait for the trophy bull to mount,spin quickly stabbing him in the brain-stem maintaining at least 21.5 mph in arm speed. The hard part is not taking the first bull that comes by,wait for the BIG BOY!!!

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Without meaning to stir the controversy pot, there are those who swear and provide mountains of data that will prove - finally - that a hard cast blade at slow velocity will out penetrate even the finest Nitro steel.


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you boys sure go to alot of work just for a buffalo.
i just give 'em a good hard stare with a cocked
eyebrow and ugly 'em to death.
taught the technique to my wife but she tears up too much meat... rotflmo
 
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I used a Buck 110 Hunter...you can have all those fancy knives don't need anything more than a standard buck...

I also had my PH shoot the buff in the balls with a 22 short just to make sure he was good and agitated for the the fight


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1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Undoubtably the best thread in a very long time! Having said that, as I recollect the Gurkhas used to ceremonially decapitate a bull with a single stroke of the Kukri. To have to use more than one stroke was a great dishonor and a definite no no.
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With cameras every where these days, it would make for a hilarious video to secretly have one pointed at the P.H.'s face when you suddenly spring your desire on him after he helped you get your rifle through customs.


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Who needs a knife, take him on mano on mano


There was a martial arts teacher,I believe Japanese who killed a bull with several open hand strikes. It was a young bull,but still a lot of animal.There were photos of him doing it in his book.This was in the late 60's


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Will,

I prefer a 32 inch long 6.5mm Jap Mauser attached to a bayonet of equal length.

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you boys sure go to alot of work just for a buffalo.
i just give 'em a good hard stare with a cocked
eyebrow and ugly 'em to death.
taught the technique to my wife but she tears up too much meat... rotflmo


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Will, You don't need a knife, just give them that menacing stare and make sure your not wearing sleeves. Mad
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An old italian story said that is possible to takes animal putting salt on the tail. Has anyone used this method?
Could be interesting?


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JD, the Japanese was Mas Oyama and he killed numerous bulls (cattle variety) with a punch to stun them and then broke their neck while stunned. I think his count was well into the 30's and the purpose was to show pure power. I have his books but then that is off topic.


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It's not the knife,y'see.It's in the ''stab placement''.Stab him in the right spot even with a pen knife,he would roll over and die.

BTW,has anyone tried using dogs,Poodles to be precise, on buffalo while hunting with a knife? Wink

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I do not know if it would kill but my darling children have told me on several occasions that my morning breath would stop a full blown buffalo charge.

I think that I will try it in Aug.


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Personally, I have always used a box cutter. I jump on, pull the right horn around his body with my left hand to expose the jugular vein, and: slice, slice!

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Personally, I have always used a box cutter. I jump on, pull the right horn around his body with my left hand to expose the jugular vein, and: slice, slice!

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With the changing security requirements will SAA let you pack a box cutter in your checked baggage, or does it require a separate locked case and declaration at check in?


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Might I suggest one of these in lieu of the usually safari vehicle . . .


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You could probably get this one with a knife but I'm not sure if it's legal to do so from the Bakkie.


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Are you planning on wearing a loin cloth, or will this be done in the "buff"?


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Before Edgar Rice Burroughs ripped off my autobiography in 1912, I used to hide in trees and jump on them when they passed beneath the branches. Bare-handed, of course.

Here's a picture of me killing a sabre-toothed lion:



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