The TSX is a good bullet. When hunting Buffalo however it makes sense to use the 300 gr bullet.

Some years ago, I quizzed up Barnes about bullet weights in the .375 and the .416 for buffalo. Their position at that time was that not only were the 270 and the 350s good enough, but that they were the recomended choices.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Some years ago, I quizzed up Barnes about bullet weights in the .375 and the .416 for buffalo. Their position at that time was that not only were the 270 and the 350s good enough, but

that they were the recomended choices.

was that Barnes X or TSX? Perhaps they were trying to 'say something' about their projectiles rather than offer informed advice?

A while back I read an article about Randy Brooks on a buffalo safari. He used the 270gr TSX. I figure that the president of the company would be in a good position to get technical and customer feedback about what worked and what didn't.

I have also used GS bullets, which are also excellent. When I inquired which bullet they recommended for buffalo, Gerard strongly recommended their 265gr, as opposed to their 300 gr. He recommended that the velocity be "as fast as I could push them".

In 416, more people seem to be using the 350 gr and in 458, the 450 grain.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Dogleg:
Some years ago, I quizzed up Barnes about bullet weights in the .375 and the .416 for buffalo. Their position at that time was that not only were the 270 and the 350s good enough, but

that they were the recomended choices.

was that Barnes X or TSX? Perhaps they were trying to 'say something' about their projectiles rather than offer informed advice?

That was the TSX. I could never get those misbegotten Xs to shoot well enough to go hunting with them.

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My observation with the 270gr TSX was a bit surprising. A 270 gr TSX will more often than expected NOT exit on a medium to large hog, even on broadside shots. A 300 gr TSX will almost always exit any hog of any size from any angle.

Knowing what I know about the .375 TSX in 270 gr I would not ever use them on thick skinned DG. They are a fantastic elk and hog killer but there is a noticeable difference in penetration between the 270 and the 300 gr TSX.

BTW my 270 gr TSX was loaded to about 2700 FPS and my 300 gr TSX loads were at about 2450 FPS.

If that was what you saw, then you go with that.

270 gr @ 2,700 fps = Momentum of 104.1 Lbs-Ft/sec
300 gr @ 2,450 fps = Momentum of 105.0 Lbs-Ft/sec

On momentum the two loads are very similar, but the resistance in tissue is more for the faster bullet. Given the same frontal expansion, the slower bullet is bound to penetrate deeper.

Santa Claus

Shot placement would be far more critical on killing a Cape buffalo than which of these two bullets you use. Choose the bullet you shoot the best.

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Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Shot placement would be far more critical on killing a Cape buffalo than which of these two bullets you use. Choose the bullet you shoot the best.

That's assuming they do what they're supposed to do. I haven't had any problem with 270 grain TSX bullets at H&H speed, but when my friend can't shoot through a whitetail with the same bullets in a .378 Weatherby I get spooked.

Luckily, there's A-Frames and I simply don't have to wonder about them at all. Even better, they noticeably hit harder. I've gotten tired of people telling me I missed on animals that had solid and fatal hits. Funny thing with that is the .458s seem to slam things around with the TSXs. Even with the little 350 grainers, or is that especially with the 350s?

quote:

Originally posted by Dogleg:

quote:

Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Shot placement would be far more critical on killing a Cape buffalo than which of these two bullets you use. Choose the bullet you shoot the best.

That's assuming they do what they're supposed to do. I haven't had any problem with 270 grain TSX bullets at H&H speed, but when my friend can't shoot through a whitetail with the same bullets in a .378 Weatherby I get spooked.

Luckily, there's A-Frames and I simply don't have to wonder about them at all. Even better, they noticeably hit harder. I've gotten tired of people telling me I missed on animals that had solid and fatal hits. Funny thing with that is the .458s seem to slam things around with the TSXs. Even with the little 350 grainers, or is that especially with the 350s?

Poor ol' Saeed. Puts his life on the line year after year. Shoots hundreds of buffalo with a puny .375 using monos. Perhaps someone ought to inform him about A-frames (or maybe he already knows about A-frames but can't afford them.)

Mike, I cannot agree more. This is my finding this year. My "loan rifle" for Buffalo hunters is a pre 64 Winchester in .375 h&h. It is what I have. This year this rifle killed 6 HUGE bodied Buffalo bulls. I used .300gr. AFRAMES at 2,450fps at the muzzle this year. For my own hunting I use the Hornady DGX bullets. My rifle simply likes them more than the x-bullets. All these bulls died easily enough, some of them required more than one pill......

We will get the answer on the hippo soon when the video (low quality) is blown up and slowed down. The "twhack" on impact was VERY "meaty" though.

I want to make the following clear. My min choice for a Cape Buff hunter is to bring a 416 shooting 400gr bullets. But many deer hunters upgrading to Africa wants that "one rifle wonder". Reading enough will bring them to the .375 in its various popular forms and this is what they will get. Now they meet me at the show and I tell them it's o.k. for PG but they need a 416 for Buff????.

No, I am not the first to say this, but the .375 will do the job just fine IF the bullet is of premium quality and hits the right spot.......in 300gr. If you of course do not have a 416...:-)

The jury is still out on the 270gr bullets....i.m.h.o. and I will go out of my way to have clients shoot the .300gr bullets from now on if they bring the 375 for Buff.

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Originally posted by JohnDL:

quote:

Originally posted by Dogleg:

quote:

Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Shot placement would be far more critical on killing a Cape buffalo than which of these two bullets you use. Choose the bullet you shoot the best.

That's assuming they do what they're supposed to do. I haven't had any problem with 270 grain TSX bullets at H&H speed, but when my friend can't shoot through a whitetail with the same bullets in a .378 Weatherby I get spooked.

Luckily, there's A-Frames and I simply don't have to wonder about them at all. Even better, they noticeably hit harder. I've gotten tired of people telling me I missed on animals that had solid and fatal hits. Funny thing with that is the .458s seem to slam things around with the TSXs. Even with the little 350 grainers, or is that especially with the 350s?

Poor ol' Saeed. Puts his life on the line year after year. Shoots hundreds of buffalo with a puny .375 using monos. Perhaps someone ought to inform him about A-frames (or maybe he already knows about A-frames but can't afford them.)

I imagine Saeed can speak for himself.

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Originally posted by infinito:
Mike, I cannot agree more. This is my finding this year. My "loan rifle" for Buffalo hunters is a pre 64 Winchester in .375 h&h. It is what I have. This year this rifle killed 6 HUGE bodied Buffalo bulls. I used .300gr. AFRAMES at 2,450fps at the muzzle this year. For my own hunting I use the Hornady DGX bullets. My rifle simply likes them more than the x-bullets. All these bulls died easily enough, some of them required more than one pill......

We will get the answer on the hippo soon when the video (low quality) is blown up and slowed down. The "twhack" on impact was VERY "meaty" though.

I want to make the following clear. My min choice for a Cape Buff hunter is to bring a 416 shooting 400gr bullets. But many deer hunters upgrading to Africa wants that "one rifle wonder". Reading enough will bring them to the .375 in its various popular forms and this is what they will get. Now they meet me at the show and I tell them it's o.k. for PG but they need a 416 for Buff????.

No, I am not the first to say this, but the .375 will do the job just fine IF the bullet is of premium quality and hits the right spot.......in 300gr. If you of course do not have a 416...:-)

The jury is still out on the 270gr bullets....i.m.h.o. and I will go out of my way to have clients shoot the .300gr bullets from now on if they bring the 375 for Buff.

Charl,

You use that pre-64 for a loaner? That's one classy loaner if its the same one you had in Moz.

I did that buffalo cull we discussed, all with 3 different bullets in the .458. Brought my life total up to 135.

"In my fifty five years of professional hunting my respect for the .375 H&H cartridge has increased each time I saw it used. In my opinion it is the greatest cartridge ever developed."

Harry Selby, 9 Sep 2009

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
"In my fifty five years of professional hunting my respect for the .375 H&H cartridge has increased each time I saw it used. In my opinion it is the greatest cartridge ever developed."

Harry Selby, 9 Sep 2009

Did someone say it didn't work? I'm talking about TSXs, don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Mike, I cannot agree more. This is my finding this year. My "loan rifle" for Buffalo hunters is a pre 64 Winchester in .375 h&h. It is what I have. This year this rifle killed 6 HUGE bodied Buffalo bulls. I used .300gr. AFRAMES at 2,450fps at the muzzle this year. For my own hunting I use the Hornady DGX bullets. My rifle simply likes them more than the x-bullets. All these bulls died easily enough, some of them required more than one pill......

We will get the answer on the hippo soon when the video (low quality) is blown up and slowed down. The "twhack" on impact was VERY "meaty" though.

I want to make the following clear. My min choice for a Cape Buff hunter is to bring a 416 shooting 400gr bullets. But many deer hunters upgrading to Africa wants that "one rifle wonder". Reading enough will bring them to the .375 in its various popular forms and this is what they will get. Now they meet me at the show and I tell them it's o.k. for PG but they need a 416 for Buff????.

No, I am not the first to say this, but the .375 will do the job just fine IF the bullet is of premium quality and hits the right spot.......in 300gr. If you of course do not have a 416...:-)

The jury is still out on the 270gr bullets....i.m.h.o. and I will go out of my way to have clients shoot the .300gr bullets from now on if they bring the 375 for Buff.

Charl,

You use that pre-64 for a loaner? That's one classy loaner if its the same one you had in Moz.

I did that buffalo cull we discussed, all with 3 different bullets in the .458. Brought my life total up to 135.

Great news! Would love some feed back on the performance.

We experienced a massive need this year for loaner rifles. So much so that I am buying a new rifles for this purpose. So yes, the hunters this year got to shoot my favorite personal hunting rifle!

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Originally posted by JohnDL:

quote:

Originally posted by Dogleg:

quote:

Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Shot placement would be far more critical on killing a Cape buffalo than which of these two bullets you use. Choose the bullet you shoot the best.

That's assuming they do what they're supposed to do. I haven't had any problem with 270 grain TSX bullets at H&H speed, but when my friend can't shoot through a whitetail with the same bullets in a .378 Weatherby I get spooked.

Luckily, there's A-Frames and I simply don't have to wonder about them at all. Even better, they noticeably hit harder. I've gotten tired of people telling me I missed on animals that had solid and fatal hits. Funny thing with that is the .458s seem to slam things around with the TSXs. Even with the little 350 grainers, or is that especially with the 350s?

Poor ol' Saeed. Puts his life on the line year after year. Shoots hundreds of buffalo with a puny .375 using monos. Perhaps someone ought to inform him about A-frames (or maybe he already knows about A-frames but can't afford them.)

really? With a 375hh?

quote:

Originally posted by JohnDL:
"In my fifty five years of professional hunting my respect for the .375 H&H cartridge has increased each time I saw it used. In my opinion it is the greatest cartridge ever developed."

Harry Selby, 9 Sep 2009

It is quite funny to argue about 270 vs 300 grain bullets in a 375 H&H, especially if it is a monolithic bullet like a Barnes TSX. It is horses for courses. I have a friend that shoots kudu at long range and swears by them. For buffalo, if you prefer to have a bit more punch, load your 300 gr TSX as you will shoot your buffalo invariably at short range. Many buffalo have been shot with lesser bullets in the past with thin claded Kynoch FMJ bullets.

Santa Claus

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by JohnDL:
Poor ol' Saeed. Puts his life on the line year after year. Shoots hundreds of buffalo with a puny .375 using monos.

really? With a 375hh?

I don't see where JohnDL said .375H&H specifically,
but-
Theres no doubt that Saeed sometimes kills his DG with the impact power of the .375HH.

.375HH delivers a 300gn at 50yd,...about same as what Saeeds .375/404imp. delivers at 150yd...

I believe Saeeds longest successful multiple kills on buffalo have been at 330yd. so impact power
approx. = to .375HH at 230yd. ..

quote:

Originally posted by JohnDL:
"In my fifty five years of professional hunting my respect for the .375 H&H cartridge has increased each time I saw it used.
In my opinion it is the greatest cartridge ever developed."
Harry Selby, 9 Sep 2009

Pondoro Taylor had much the same regard for the .375HH as the likes of Selby.
Taylor successfully killed over 100 ele and over 400 cape Buff with it, consequently he praised it highly....

quote:

"I know, from using the rifle myself, that the .375 magnum can safely be taken against any animal anywhere in Africa."
-- John "Pondoro" Taylor

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I have asked the PH I hunted with if they had noticed that larger calibers kill buffalo any quicker.
And none of them said they have noticed that at all.

Saeed,Taylor and Selby, have all seen a-lot of DG fall to the .375 bore.
theres just too much individual & collective field experience from these three regarding .375bore effectiveness,
to disregard or ignore.
Note: The .375H&H was established from the ground up, as a DG cartridge.
However due to its reasonably flat trajectory & more manageable recoil, it also then proved itself useful for shot placement on smaller game
at longer ranges, hence it also became a favourite allrounder for Africa in preference to the larger bores.

Harry Manners and Wally Johnson both went their whole ivory hunter careers using the .375H&H. (1937-1950s)
and continued on for yrs with the .375H&H when they gave up ivory hunting in favor of safari duties.

John Osborne and Bruce Austen were two Zim. wardens that used .375HH exclusively and continued doing so when they became PHs.

The well respected PH Finn Aagard went on record to say he killed near 50 buff using his favourite rifle for Africa - an M70 .375HH
where the cartridge performed to his satisfaction...some yrs .after his passing his wife used that same rifle to kill water buff in Australia...
(using a load with an MV of 2300fps)

Warren Page is said to have regularly used a fast .375bore to successfully kill a pile of African DG.(a pile big enough to have burn out more than one .375 barrel)

PH Brian Marsh stated that a shoulder shot from a .375 failed on elephant,
The bone only fractured at first(breaking later) because the Kynoch solid failed(fell apart on impact),Hence he recommends the use of mono solids.
So realistically it was not a failure on the part of .375 bore itself.
.458cal performance has also been noted in DG hunting to give less than desirable results, once again due to inadequate construction of some projectiles.

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Originally posted by Trax:
Pondoro Taylor had much the same regard for the .375HH as the likes of Selby.
Taylor successfully killed over 100 ele and over 400 cape Buff with it, consequently he praised it highly....

And yet he advised Brian Marsh to get a .404 for his buffalo hunting...

more drivel by trax about someone else's experience.

We use and recommend 375H&H with 300gn Woodleigh, TSX or A-Frame projectiles for big bovines. It is very effective with good shot placement - but bigger calibres with the same construction projectiles and around 2100-2400fps velocity simply do a better job. IMO There is no comparison between a 375HH and a 416Rem for example (coupled with the projectiles listed above) - it simply takes less effort (bullets, time, whatever) to get the required result.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
We use and recommend 375H&H with 300gn Woodleigh, TSX or A-Frame projectiles for big bovines. It is very effective with good shot placement - but bigger calibres with the same construction projectiles and around 2100-2400fps velocity simply do a better job. IMO There is no comparison between a 375HH and a 416Rem for example (coupled with the projectiles listed above) - it simply takes less effort (bullets, time, whatever) to get the required result.

What I found on my Gan Gan cull hunt using the .375 and .458 alternate days was that the .458 hit significantly harder and animals typically travelled half the distance.

Interesting... I guess it only has 60+% more bullet weight, 30+% more frontal area, 45% more impact energy. Makes sense really doesn't it.

I've used my .375 Ultra mag with Barnes TSX bullets on two African hunts. The first hunt was for buffalo and plains game with 300 gr TSX bullets handloaded to 2830 fps. The second hunt was just for PG with 270 gr TSX bullets handloaded to 3040 fps.

I thought that these bullets performed extremely well, with one shot kills on most animals, including the buffalo.

Most of the bullets passed completely through the animals, and I did not try to recover all of the bullets, but we did recover 3 bullets, the one 300 gr bullet from the buffalo, and 2 270 grain bullets from a Kudu.

All three bullets looked like the advertised Barnes mushroom except one 270 grain bullet that had broken off one petal. It was a quartering shot into the shoulder of the Kudu, and stopped just under the skin of his opposite hip.

Because I was so satisfied with the performance of the Barnes TSX bullets in my .375 RUM, I have been using them in my .300 Weatherby.

In my .300 Bee, I used Barnes 168 gr TSX bullets on several North American hunts, including one bull elk. I have also used 168 gr TTSX bullets on another bull elk, a South African PG hunt, and a New Zealand hunt.

Again, I am extremely satisfied with the performance with these TSX and TTSX bullets.

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Originally posted by maxenergy:
more drivel by trax about someone else's experience.

If your .375 bore DG experience is equal to or more extensive than the likes of:
Saeed,Taylor,Selby,Aagard,Manners,Johnson,Page,Osborne,Austen,..then please share it with the forum.

quote:

Originally posted by JabaliHunter:
And yet he advised Brian Marsh to get a .404 for his buffalo hunting...

Taylor advised 404j for herd situations, Taylor also advised Marsh to take up big-game hunting in Mozambique, but he ignored that advice.
and people keep trying to advise Saeed on suitable calibre for DG , but he ignores that advice.
Taylor himself didn't use a bolt action 404j much,instead preferring a double.
Of course if bigger is always truly better,why didn't Taylor advise Marsh something larger than 404j?

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by maxenergy:
more drivel by trax about someone else's experience.

If your .375 bore DG experience is equal to or more extensive than the likes of:
Saeed,Taylor,Selby,Aagard,Manners,Page,Osborne,Austen,..then please share it with the forum.

Any personal hunting experience should be welcome . Far better than coppying the writings of past hunters that are known by most moden safari hunters anyway.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:

Any personal hunting experience should be welcome .

Maxenergy is free & welcome to share his .375bore experience on DG.
Nobody here is stopping him from doing so.
Instead he prefers to object to seeing a post that mentions the extensive collective .375 bore exploits of others.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Far better than coppying the writings of past hunters that are known by most moden safari hunters anyway.

You are entitled to your opinion, but dont mind if I or others disagree.

Those reading AR are free to value or disregard my post that collectively mentions the extensive .375 bore experience
of - Saeed,Taylor,Selby,Aagard,Manners,Johnson,Page,Osborne,Austen,
Its fairer if AR readers each personally decide its value or relevance, rather than you deciding for them.

Maybe I'm crazy but Life has taught me to more intently learn from:
-People who have shot 500 buffalo instead of five.
-People who have parachuted a 1000 times instead of twice,
-People who have operated on 500 patients instead of five,
-People who have 3000hrs in aircraft type instead of 30hrs.

...and I can assure that approach by me aint changing anytime soon.

How many buffalo or anything else did Taylor shoot with the 270 grain TSX as opposed to the 300 grain TSX?

What was his conclusion of that particular mono-bullet versus other of todays premium bullets?

Where did he say that the .375 was the best buffalo rifle? Sure its a great hunting rifle, and the sky is blue.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Interesting... I guess it only has 60+% more bullet weight, 30+% more frontal area, 45% more impact energy. Makes sense really doesn't it.

Yeah, you could probably plot that on a graph, and it would line up. If big guns weren't better than small guns for some things then there wouldn't be any big guns.

The best advert for the 375 H&H is arguably Harry Manners who shot a 1000+ elephant.
And today we have much better bullets.
The whole trick is to place the bullet well.

Santa Claus.

There is only one indisputable constant in this thread - that Trax is a troll.

quote:

Originally posted by Santa Claus:
The best advert for the 375 H&H is arguably Harry Manners who shot a 1000+ elephant.
And today we have much better bullets.-The whole trick is to place the bullet well.

Saeed proves what modern .375bore bullets can do, time and time again.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I have asked the PH I hunted with if they had noticed that larger calibers kill buffalo any quicker.
And none of them said they have noticed that at all.

of course those kind of cumulative facts from number of African PHs tend to pulverise Matt Grahams ego and inflated self importance,
If person had to decide between advice from MG (vs) Saeed and numerous experienced African PHs, ..Id safely say the decision is rather easy.

I wonder about MG who questions & doubts the ability of .375bore on DG, but then takes a client out after DG who is armed with a spear...

Its clear that when the color of money appears, MG dont really care what weapon is used.

Sean Russell, glad you are here!,
can you tell the forum of the details where you claim to have 'perspired real blood' while hunting?
Why are you always so shy on providing any details?..Your claim is definitely the silliest most idiotic thing I've ever heard on AR.

A desperate plea for attention.... sad really.

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Ignored post by Trax posted 22 October 2014 03:09

This ^^^^^^^^is the ONLY Trax post anyone should ever see...One of the three A-holes I have on perma ban on AR.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
A desperate plea for attention.... sad really.

a man who has his spear hunts for buffalo on Utube for all the world to see,
now has the gaul to accuse someone who posts on ordninary AR, as wanting attention.
MG you still have not come to terms with your hypocrite nature.

MG look its real simple:
There are hunters like Saeed,Taylor,Selby,Aagard,Manners,Johnson,Page,Osborne,Austen,
who each have extensive .375bore experience that well showcases .375bore effectiveness in the field.
Any one of them can blow you out of water in regards to field knowledge-experience with .375bore.
Collectively they reduce your significance even further.

I have never posted a spear hunt on Youtube you lying knob.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
I have never posted a spear hunt on Youtube you lying knob.

The fact remains a client of yours certainly appears on Youtube video detailing their spear hunt on waterbuff.
Since you allow your clients to film , then clearly you knowingly accept that the footage can appear on Utube.

IF you have not protested to the person who put it up, then I gather you are lapping up the attention from it.

I wonder about MG who questions & doubts ability of .375bore on DG, but then takes a client out after DG who is armed with a spear...

If the mans not a walking talking hypocrite then I don't know who is.
__
BTW on another note: - my sources are gradually providing me more details on a hunting operation in Australia,
that apparently has taken large payment from clients, but has failed to deliver the hunt.
Give it some time and I will attempt to get the full details, so I can then responsibly share it with AR members.