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Dear Guy's I have always wanted to hunt an Ele or Leopard. The main issue I have is the hunt is a big expense and neither can be exported into Australia. So what can be done with the skin's, skull and tusk's. Is there a market for these in the states or else were? A PAC hunt is another option but there seams to be some confusion as to weather it is legal or not? I will not be doing any law breaking. It would be a killer to take an animal and not be able to do any thing with it. And I do not think Australia will ever change its position and allow them into the country. Thanks Mark | ||
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Try a tuskless elephant hunt in Zim. They are non-exportable, but very exciting and affordable. | |||
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Being CITES animals they can't be sold AFAIK. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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cameronaussie, if I where you, I would contact a Namibian outfitter with an area in the Caprivi or Bushmanland. We get a quota with traditional authority elephant on, that has to be shot for local festivals, etc. These bulls are not exportable, but you get the same hunt as for a trophy bull, just sort of in reverse. We will be looking at quite a few bulls before finding one with broken tusks and or weak tusks for his age, so you get a lot of hunting for your buck. The trophy remains the property of the state, but you can take as many photos and videos of it as you like, and take measurements of the tusks, and have a good taxidermist reproduce it for you. And above all, it is a legal hunt, no questions about that. Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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As Karl says a good taxidermist can reproduce tusks with fiberglass( or another product). The ones I have seen were heavy and cold like bone. They even had small imperfections such as long natural cracks and good coloring, They looked and felt very real. Just take a lot of pictures , and have fun. | |||
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Just go to hunt. Trophies are animals or experiences, and just because you've been successful doesn't mean you need to have "something on the wall". Scratch the itch and take what the bush provides. (You are not required to do anything except pay up, and the PH will gladly carry on with his own plan. I would be sure to have cooked up for you whatever you'd care to arrange.) 2 cents _______________________ | |||
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I read somewhere on AR that someone had tired of taxidermy costs, shipping, fees etc., so he decided to just take pictures and spend more on more animals. I believe PAC are legal...just seems to be more of a "timing thing"-being close by when someone report a "problem". Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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In Zimbabwe, PAC hunts can only be carried out by residents, i.e., PH's or their Appy's. Management hunts are legal. In Namibia, the "festival hunt" is another legal option with the chance to actually hunt a trophy caliber bull. It is a good hunt. I can supply references if you like. Some from AR. The Leopard is another story. Australia has been run over by Anti-morons and I truly feel for you guys. They have been taking aim at us for a long time and it's far from over. You might look into hunting Leopard then asking permission to donate the skin to a museum. Maybe consult a Taxidermist in your area. They are doing some good work on being able to export birds currently. Otherwise you'll only be able to leave the cat, possibly selling it to a local taxidermy studio as a display. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I wonder in a similar vein. I have never really been that interested in the size of the horns or antlers but rather the hunt itself and how it panned out, happy with whatever animal was the end result. Of course here in NZ it costs nothing and you can take whatever sex, size, and quantity of feral animal you wish at any time of year. What happens if you want to hunt Africa but don't necessarily want to take the biggest trophy or have any size in mind but do want a good hunt, and do not want to take any trophy out of the country. Obviously all the meat is used but what about the head (horns) and skin etc. Is this viewed as wasteful of resources and the PHs time or provided you are prepared to pay, a legitimate hunt? I would want a good hard hunt and experience and only bring back photos and memories. Is this accommodate in the modern African safari? | |||
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Eagle-The hunt Karl is talking about is a great example of what you are looking for.You get to hunt elephant, and it is a genuine and legal hunt.The meat and other by-products go to the local people to utilize.The cost of such a hunt is less than half the cost of a trophy hunt. If you want to have more than the photos to serve as a reminder of the hunt then you can have replica tusks made from measurements you take at the kill site. I have done just this type of hunt before and hope to get another of these own-use elephants when I am there in about ten days.The hunt is a very good experience at a bargian rate. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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Thanks eyedoc, the hunt karl is talking about does sound more my thinking. Although buffalo are what really attracts me, I had always thought about a PG hunt as well but then again over the years I've shot so many similar sort of deer and goat animals that it's probably just a waste to shoot them for the sake of it now. Although the early elephant hunting stories had always excited me, the modern hunt has not held much attraction but on reading karls post this has sparked an interest. A good hunt around to find an old non-trophy bull and taking it out for a good purpose suits me. I imagine for bufflao there is no such thing as removing an old animal in a similar vein, I guess they are numerous enough that licences are only issued for trophy hunting? Realistically an elephant hunt as karl proposes and a buffalo would be my safari. Any idea of the cost of the Namibia 'festival hunt'? | |||
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eagle27, I book for KarlS. That hunt will cost you $12,500. Several of our AR friends have taken that hunt (reports/pics listed in the Hunt reports). If you would like the details, just drop me a line. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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eagle27, Sounds like you are looking for maybe a cull hunt. Several outfits offer them, though you may have to ask about them. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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eagle, as David said, the elephant "cull" hunt sells for US$ 12 500 normally. We currently have a special on one like that running, speak to David, but I think the total works out at US$ 12 000 including 7 hunting days, 2 travel days, and a non export bull. There are also some non export buffalo hunts offered in Namibia, but as they sell VERY fast, I personally would not like to combine the two. Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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Thanks for your reply Karl, really wetted the appetite although not ready yet to go, too many kids around my neck but hopefully next year. Curious as to why you would not recommend combining an ele and buffalo hunt, is it just too hard to get both available at the same time? | |||
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