When a trophy is not a take home

07 May 2011, 15:27

Dear Guy's

I have always wanted to hunt an Ele or Leopard.

The main issue I have is the hunt is a big expense and neither can be exported into Australia.

So what can be done with the skin's, skull and tusk's.

Is there a market for these in the states or else were?

A PAC hunt is another option but there seams to be some confusion as to weather it is legal or not?
I will not be doing any law breaking.

It would be a killer to take an animal and not be able to do any thing with it. And I do not think Australia will ever change its position and allow them into the country.

Thanks Mark

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08 May 2011, 14:23

Karl S

cameronaussie, if I where you, I would contact a Namibian outfitter with an area in the Caprivi or Bushmanland. We get a quota with traditional authority elephant on, that has to be shot for local festivals, etc. These bulls are not exportable, but you get the same hunt as for a trophy bull, just sort of in reverse. We will be looking at quite a few bulls before finding one with broken tusks and or weak tusks for his age, so you get a lot of hunting for your buck. The trophy remains the property of the state, but you can take as many photos and videos of it as you like, and take measurements of the tusks, and have a good taxidermist reproduce it for you. And above all, it is a legal hunt, no questions about that.

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08 May 2011, 15:57

BNagel

Just go to hunt. Trophies are animals or experiences, and just because you've been successful doesn't mean you need to have "something on the wall". Scratch the itch and take what the bush provides. (You are not required to do anything except pay up, and the PH will gladly carry on with his own plan. I would be sure to have cooked up for you whatever you'd care to arrange.)

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09 May 2011, 02:58

L. David Keith

In Zimbabwe, PAC hunts can only be carried out by residents, i.e., PH's or their Appy's. Management hunts are legal. In Namibia, the "festival hunt" is another legal option with the chance to actually hunt a trophy caliber bull. It is a good hunt. I can supply references if you like. Some from AR. The Leopard is another story. Australia has been run over by Anti-morons and I truly feel for you guys. They have been taking aim at us for a long time and it's far from over. You might look into hunting Leopard then asking permission to donate the skin to a museum. Maybe consult a Taxidermist in your area. They are doing some good work on being able to export birds currently. Otherwise you'll only be able to leave the cat, possibly selling it to a local taxidermy studio as a display.
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09 May 2011, 11:52

eagle27

I wonder in a similar vein.
I have never really been that interested in the size of the horns or antlers but rather the hunt itself and how it panned out, happy with whatever animal was the end result. Of course here in NZ it costs nothing and you can take whatever sex, size, and quantity of feral animal you wish at any time of year.

What happens if you want to hunt Africa but don't necessarily want to take the biggest trophy or have any size in mind but do want a good hunt, and do not want to take any trophy out of the country.
Obviously all the meat is used but what about the head (horns) and skin etc. Is this viewed as wasteful of resources and the PHs time or provided you are prepared to pay, a legitimate hunt?
I would want a good hard hunt and experience and only bring back photos and memories. Is this accommodate in the modern African safari?

11 May 2011, 01:01

eyedoc

Eagle-The hunt Karl is talking about is a great example of what you are looking for.You get to hunt elephant, and it is a genuine and legal hunt.The meat and other by-products go to the local people to utilize.The cost of such a hunt is less than half the cost of a trophy hunt.

If you want to have more than the photos to serve as a reminder of the hunt then you can have replica tusks made from measurements you take at the kill site.

I have done just this type of hunt before and hope to get another of these own-use elephants when I am there in about ten days.The hunt is a very good experience at a bargian rate.

We seldom get to choose
But I've seen them go both ways
And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory
Than to slowly rot away!

13 May 2011, 01:07

eagle27

Thanks eyedoc, the hunt karl is talking about does sound more my thinking. Although buffalo are what really attracts me, I had always thought about a PG hunt as well but then again over the years I've shot so many similar sort of deer and goat animals that it's probably just a waste to shoot them for the sake of it now.

Although the early elephant hunting stories had always excited me, the modern hunt has not held much attraction but on reading karls post this has sparked an interest. A good hunt around to find an old non-trophy bull and taking it out for a good purpose suits me.
I imagine for bufflao there is no such thing as removing an old animal in a similar vein, I guess they are numerous enough that licences are only issued for trophy hunting?

Realistically an elephant hunt as karl proposes and a buffalo would be my safari. Any idea of the cost of the Namibia 'festival hunt'?

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13 May 2011, 09:58

Karl S

quote:
Originally posted by eagle27:
Thanks eyedoc, the hunt karl is talking about does sound more my thinking. Although buffalo are what really attracts me, I had always thought about a PG hunt as well but then again over the years I've shot so many similar sort of deer and goat animals that it's probably just a waste to shoot them for the sake of it now.

Although the early elephant hunting stories had always excited me, the modern hunt has not held much attraction but on reading karls post this has sparked an interest. A good hunt around to find an old non-trophy bull and taking it out for a good purpose suits me.
I imagine for bufflao there is no such thing as removing an old animal in a similar vein, I guess they are numerous enough that licences are only issued for trophy hunting?

Realistically an elephant hunt as karl proposes and a buffalo would be my safari. Any idea of the cost of the Namibia 'festival hunt'?

eagle, as David said, the elephant "cull" hunt sells for US$ 12 500 normally. We currently have a special on one like that running, speak to David, but I think the total works out at US$ 12 000 including 7 hunting days, 2 travel days, and a non export bull.

There are also some non export buffalo hunts offered in Namibia, but as they sell VERY fast, I personally would not like to combine the two.