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Some here who dislike, hate, and generally bash SCI because of SCI President Kevin Anderson will no longer be able to do so. New SCI President Mr. John Whipple, of California, is the new President of SCI. I am sure some will still be able to come up with the usual comments to distort the fact that SCI is still the best International Hunting Organization in the World.   Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | ||
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Good ridance! Kevin Anderson and his Out of Africa has only brought shame on the hunting community! | |||
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Hello Saeed - Can't say that I disagree that the departure of Mr. Anderson and friends from SCI will be a bad thing. He really wasn't much of a force and didn't accomplish much while President. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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So isn't Anderson's departure a step in the right direction, Saeed? | |||
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 So sad to see you leave Kevin  | |||
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Absolutely. But why has it taken so long to get rid of the nitwit? | |||
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The good doctor Larry Rudolph as well........don't let the door hit you in the.......SCI national is on the mend. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Beats me, but at least it's done. There are a lot of things I don't like about SCI: its obsession with measurements and awards for one ... but it is, after all, on our side. Better that we fight our enemies than our allies.  | |||
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Very true Steve, But we should also try to put our own house in order, before we loose all credibility of what we aspire to do. | |||
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For all of the bad that has been dumped on SCI, they do fight for us as hunters. One of the current battles that they are joining in is the fight over the UN small arms treaty that will be going on in New York. Unlike the rest of the world, we have a Second Amendment. The Bush Administration fought this through UN ambassador John Bolton (one of the best that the US has had in the UN), but it's back on the table thanks to Hillary Clinton and Obama. Now, we need to thank SCI for joining in this all important foray to keep us from being ruled like the rest of the world when it comes to firearms and firearms ownership. | |||
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With the small paid membership SCI has they have and continue to do a great job supporting HUNTERS RIGHTS. They will continue their mission. The only place I see SH*T being dumped on them is here by a few. | |||
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I add my congrats to John Whipple. I know him to be dedicted to SCI's mission. Locally, I think it is important to note that the Southern NM Chapter has: Plussed up the NM Habitat Stamp program by giving over $40,000 to build watering holes for Prarie Chickens, another species on the list for threatened/endangered status. Actively support the NM Game Commission in their defense efforts against a lawsuit filed by the greenies to ban trapping in the Gila. This has led to the SCI nationally joining w/ the local Chapters by intervening in this important lawsuit which, if decided incorrectly, threatens the State's ability to manage wildlife. SCI is a good thing. If you are a hunter, join SCI. Heck, they even have a pretty good magazine. Pancho LTC, USA, RET "Participating in a gun buy-back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids." Clint Eastwood Give me Liberty or give me Corona. | |||
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Never see these sort of problems associated with DSC from either a personnel or political point of view. Hmmmmm... Dave Fulson | |||
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There is an enormous difference between the polcies of SCI and DSC. All one has to look at is the case of Out of Africa and Mark Sullivan. DSC did not tolerate them, while SCI actively supported them - at least in the case of Out of Africa. Might be because old Kevin was in their pockets. SCI should have kicked Kevin out right then. Not wait for years for him to resign. | |||
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Wasn't there an election? | |||
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Hope the change brings about some good. Can't hurt. I hope. | |||
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Did his term expire or was he removed? | |||
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Dave - I guess all your "blind, sucking up" to the folks at DSC has caused you to go blind?  Seems to have affected your memory as well, huh?Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Larry maybe things would be different if it were SCI's TAA and not DSC TAA. dave don't be so obvious. | |||
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DOJ - Plus #1 on what is in front of TAA. "Obvious" is obviously his style, don't you know! Africanhunter - I assume Mr. Andersons term was up, but really don't know or care for that matter. Just reporting that he is no longer SCI President and Mr.Whipple is in. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Larry, Don't know either Anderson or Whipple. Will Whipple be an improvement over Anderson and if so, why? 465H&H | |||
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465 - Don't really know much about either man, so maybe some others here can lend some thoughts. One has had a lot of accusations thrown at him by some here on AR (KA), the other hasn't really been in the limelight, (yet). Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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As a matter of fact, my statement was correct, DSC does not have the history of in-fighting and turnover that has plagued SCI for as long as I have been a member. And, bye the way I am a member of long standing with SCI as well as a major exhibitor who has contributed an enormous amount of donated cash and safaris for that groups fundraising efforts. You may not realize that both my partner Tim Danklef and I also served multiple terms as President of the large North Texas SCI chapter and raised a hell of a lot of cash there. I have a ton of good friends , including directors at SCI and I have voiced my concerns to them personally many times over the years. Just as I am a Republican who is fed up with certain people in my party, I am an SCI supporter who see's many flaws in that groups management style, direction, and sometimes upper management.I have never hid our association with DSC, in fact I am quite proud of it. Larry, I could not pick you out of a lineup of Chinamen, but for what ever reason, you have always tried to poke our monkey, so to speak. Both our production and association with DSC seem to offend you on a regular basis. Fair enough. But I have put my money and time into SCI for a hell of a lot of years and that gives me the right to voice my aggravation with them from to time.I salute SCI for the good work they do, I point out, as a member in good standing has the right to do, where I think they could improve. I have done the same with DSC in the past. Not quite as obvious as you thought , is it Larry? Dave Fulson | |||
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Dave, Your response was worth reading just to pick up "poke my monkey!" Love it. Hope you don't mind if I start using that one. Gayne! Put that cigar down and clean the garage. Quit poking my monkey woman! I'll get to it when I can! | |||
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Very well said Dave and Thanks for all you do! Thanks! Brian Clark Blue Skies Hunting Adventures www.blueskieshunting.com Email at: info@blueskieshunting.com African Cape Trophy Safaris www.africancapesafaris.com Email at: brian@africancapesafaris.com 1-402-689-2024 | |||
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I happen to be one of the Directors for the North Texas SCI Chapter that Dave mentions here. I can assure you that without the efforts of Dave Fulson and Tim Danklef, there would be no North Texas SCI Chapter. The two of them got the chapter started! Both Tim and Dave have been unwavering supporters as well. No question about it! I think most of the SCI members have had issues and disagreements with the way SCI National has been operated at times. Calling out the individuals that need calling out is the right thing to do as their actions reflect negatively on the organization as a whole. I've always been a supporter of SCI on this forum and will continue to do so as I believe the good done by SCI as an organization outweighs the action of a few "bad apples". Hopefully some positive changes are on the way at the national level! | |||
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What do you have against Larry Rudolph? | |||
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Dave - Hum, don't recall ever saying you don't/haven't contributed, time, effort and $$$ to SCI? Guess you made that one up to carry on with your rant? This is the obvious, predictable reactions some of us have grown accustomed to. Guess you just can't see the obvious? Have a great day.Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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No, the obvious point you were making is that my comment about DSC was , and I use your direct quote, (" blind sucking up to DSC") due to our sponsorship arrangement. I have no reason to suck up to DSC, as both parties in our business relationship are happy with the arrangement. My comment was not vague, cryptic in any way, or out of line with my personal beliefs. You chose to run out of your little mound like a fire ant to bite me, as you have many here that dared to have an opinion other than yours when it comes to SCI. Sorry you took my comment about SCI as personal as you did. Your views are very well known here, as your LARRY SELLERS SCI LIFE MEMBER sign off attests to. You have your views, I have mine. What say we drop it?! Dave Fulson | |||
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What is to some an association of hunters that has had some mismanagement and maybe even some corruption on the national level, does some good conservation work, and puts on a large, successful trade show (that's what it is; nothing more, nothing less) is to others, an absolute religion. | |||
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I'm going to intentionally keep it vague. There are two types of people who seek positions of leadership. Those who seek leadership positions to serve the membership and the mission of said organization and those who seek leadership positions for power, influence, personal betterment, and pushing personal agendas. The first is a boon to any organization, its mission, and its membership. The second is a cancer that must be cut from the organization before the organization whithers and dies. I would tend to lump Dr. Rudolph and his "posse" into the second group. They ran on a platform basis which was never done before in SCI elections. Mr. Rudolph and his "posse" got in and they ran the place as a good old boy's club. SCI was set back for his efforts and it will take a bit to recover as an organization as well as reparing our reputation. That said Dr. Rudolph and his "posse" tried to take over again this year. They were summarily shown the door bar room style. The new leadership seems to be a step in the right direction. Time will tell. Aside from that Dr. Rudolph has his issues and time will tell what is in store for him, but I'm quite certain he will not be a leading force again in SCI. Brett PS> During the Rudolph admin it got so bad that at least a few chapters were considering going the way of DSC and defecting. Luckily things have changed and it didn't come to that. DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I am very involved in the AK chapter of SCI and have seen the good with my two eyes that SCI Alaska has done on the ground and legislatively speaking. We are influential with regard to appointments, legislation, litigation, education, conservation, and budgeting. We educate and facilitate new hunters (especially women and children) being brought to the fold. I see these things regularly. SCI national has the power and ability to do the same on a national and international level. It is very much our goal to see that that happens. I think with propper leadership, vission, and a clear mission we will affect that end. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I have never heard anything but good from what the chapters do. SCI top management, however, seem to get into all sort of unsavoury situations. All one has to do is look at all the past presidents who have gone bad. | |||
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SCI in Africa lost most of their credability of Rudy Rosens antics destroyed their influence in government conservation circles from 2001/2 time frame. Hiring a Director of Out Of Africa as SCI's Africa rep in 2004 just made sure SCI had lost all credibility. Electing a know associate of criminals for President is Bad if you want international credibility...not that Kevins election matters in the wake of the above. He is gone- SCI have a decade of lost progress to make up if they want to be able to provide for their members on a 'world' platform. If they are content to be the USA safari club...they can stay as they are. | |||
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They certainly lost a good deal of credibility with some of their antics. The OOA fiasco. The number of PH's of the year that end up being common criminals. Kevin Anderson tenure is unconscionable. I just saw his picture in Safari Times. I wouldn't buy a used car from the guy. Some of the things they do or do not do really pisses me off. Having said all of the above, I am a life member. I will continue to support them. I think they do a lot of good for us that is not always clearly visible. The lobbying for example. It kind of makes me think about the old joke about the only girl in town being ugly. She might be ugly but she is the best we have. | |||
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 What I don't understand is the degree of almost hatred shown by some here simply because their attitude is different to someone else's. We're all hunters and surely we should all be able to agree to disagree in a relatively friendly manner.  | |||
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That is funny  I may have to borrow it as well. Good luck is what's left of thorough preperation. | |||
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