I would love to spend 1/10th of the net worth of the children on this thread!
Thanks for the laughs!

Ski+3

The best PH is the guy I just hunted with. The worst PH is the guy I can't afford.

Its pretty bad when you cant find somebody and explain something to them.

This thread has gone way off track. Are the answers limited to practicing PH’s? If not, then based on what I have seen, I would not want Walter as my PH!

I thought that would have been the first response, but I must add that would only be for the hunting. From all I've read of the 'Adventures of Walter and Saeed,' I think that spending a safari with Walter would be a grand time!
Bfly

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Originally posted by Bwana338:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04EtOyVeHY


That's what I thought!

so we have crickets and wind, that good if i want to go to sleep.

It's the overwhelming and near deafening sound heard while listening for a denial from Shootacow.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Bwana338:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04EtOyVeHY


That's what I thought!

so we have crickets and wind, that good if i want to go to sleep.

It's the overwhelming and near deafening sound heard while listening for a denial from Shootacow.

Todd,AR has evolved and become a bit more civil while you were away.Your recent posts remind us of all the shit throwing that was going on back when your were around.I am not surprised you missed all that.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Bwana338:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04EtOyVeHY


That's what I thought!

so we have crickets and wind, that good if i want to go to sleep.

It's the overwhelming and near deafening sound heard while listening for a denial from Shootacow.

Todd,AR has evolved and become a bit more civil while you were away.Your recent posts remind us of all the shit throwing that was going on back when your were around.I am not surprised you missed all that.

So still no denial ... is that correct?

George, George, George, when are you going to learn to keep your mouth shut. You are simply too stupid to see that EVERYONE who has been on this forum for a few years knows you are full of shit and you continue to display it
Stop digging, fool

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

I am going to find out what is your name and notify the authorities.

"Yes that's correct officer, he said that he is going to explain manners to me! I want him arrested......"


I made a promise to myself about ten years ago that I would not respond to any of George's posts. This was just too good to pass up.

In only my two hunts in Africa, the PHs/outfitters were excellent. Both hunts were on auction and I knew the program.

The included package was great, but add more animals or days to make it all work. We did, but the first outfitter and my father did not get along as two alphas and my father had heard about him. I actually had a great hunt with him.

The second was great and Todd Williams helped out. I didn’t get the kudu I wanted, but we did add animals and days to help out. I would hunt with both, but solo.

Shootaway,

Someone who has been demonstrated can't tell a bull from a cow shouldn't have any real say in the matter. Who really cares what you think? And, you've insulted our host. Just in case you haven't realized it, no one cares what you think.

Hint:
Bulls have balls; cows have teats. Just for future reference and trying to be helpful.

I have little time for morons. Sue me if you want to. You have been entertaining to a point, but you're back on ignore.

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
In only my two hunts in Africa, the PHs/outfitters were excellent. Both hunts were on auction and I knew the program.

The included package was great, but add more animals or days to make it all work. We did, but the first outfitter and my father did not get along as two alphas and my father had heard about him. I actually had a great hunt with him.

The second was great and Todd Williams helped out. I didn’t get the kudu I wanted, but we did add animals and days to help out. I would hunt with both, but solo.

LOL Marcus! That was back when I thought I wanted to be a booking agent!! I had some good hunts with those guys.

OK enough.Back to the original question.My last choice PH would be any PH who hunts with these losers above.Also,a PH who enjoys shooting at their clients animal and I know who some are.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
In only my two hunts in Africa, the PHs/outfitters were excellent. Both hunts were on auction and I knew the program.

The included package was great, but add more animals or days to make it all work. We did, but the first outfitter and my father did not get along as two alphas and my father had heard about him. I actually had a great hunt with him.

The second was great and Todd Williams helped out. I didn’t get the kudu I wanted, but we did add animals and days to help out. I would hunt with both, but solo.

LOL Marcus! That was back when I thought I wanted to be a booking agent!! I had some good hunts with those guys.

Todd,

They were good cats. Their cousin was the PH on the hunt. He is a lawyer by schooling and took the better route (I’m jealous). I would and might hunt with him again. We do keep in contact. However, I don’t think his cousins are in the business anymore.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
OK enough.Back to the original question.My last choice PH would be any PH who hunts with these losers above.Also,a PH who enjoys shooting at their clients animal and I know who some are.

George, after all your rants on the Forum you are certainly not doing your PR rating any favours.
Have you on the other hand given any thought as to which PH would accept you as a future client other than some "fly-by-night briefcase operator"?

Strange too that you should feel indignant at being insulted when you so freely address others as "assholes" and "losers".

What you need is an MRC which might help in alleviating your CDS affliction.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
OK enough.Back to the original question.My last choice PH would be any PH who hunts with these losers above.Also,a PH who enjoys shooting at their clients animal and I know who some are.

George, after all your rants on the Forum you are certainly not doing your PR rating any favours.
Have you on the other hand given any thought as to which PH would accept you as a future client other than some "fly-by-night briefcase operator"?

Strange too that you should feel indignant at being insulted when you so freely address others as "assholes" and "losers".

What you need is an MRC which might help in alleviating your CDS affliction.

We could start a "Worst Client" thread but after Shootacow and Llamapacker, it would probably dry up.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

I am going to find out what is your name and notify the authorities.

Chicken!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

I am going to find out what is your name and notify the authorities.

Chicken!

I was just kidding.

It would depend on the quality of their trackers. You are not likely to know that answer before you book with them but if you did I would avoid the ones with a poor tracking reputation. Eventually you are going to need that skill in a bad way.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

I am going to find out what is your name and notify the authorities.

Chicken!

I was just kidding.

Shootacow is simply pathetic

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Originally posted by Bud Meadows:
I would think that Martin Pieters would be a strong contender.

I hunted with Martin ‘17 for leopard and couldn’t have been happier. Others may have had different experiences but would hunt with again if I was younger

I think the hunting area is far more important than the PH. Frankly, I think PHs are overrated in general. The trackers do the important work. The PH is more about company and conversation than hunting.

The one thing a PH has to be good at is judging trophies, and making sure the client does not take an iffy shot or shoot the wrong beast. This is more important if the hunter is inexperienced.

I have never been charged and had to rely on a PH to save the day. Perhaps I would have a different opinion if that were the case.

Shootaway, did you ever managed to write a hunt report on your recent hunt ? I cant recall but might have missed it.
I never seen the video, was it pulled down ?
Cheers

Russ Gould... you just got it about 100% correct!! these days with social media lots of "PHS" Become "good" just on how good they are on social media and how well they are spoken, when you start asking around you will be surprised at what comes out... when you get to the real good old hard core ones you will be surprised that most you have not even heard of. And yes Ph is as good as his area. YOU cant catch a fish in a pond with no fish.

I still believe the person is the most important part.

An honest professional hunter will not sell you a hunt for an animal that is not in his area.

A crooked one will.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I still believe the person is the most important part.

An honest professional hunter will not sell you a hunt for an animal that is not in his area.

A crooked one will.

I would go with that statement and it is the PH who will make the hunt an enjoyable experience. That is why many chose to hunt with the same PH again and again.

If we take into consideration that many hunters going to Africa are first timers, they are going to meet someone unknown to them.

That by itself is not a problem, as the prospective client can do some research and pick a suitable professional to hunt with.

From stories I have heard, the following do cause problems, regardless of how good the professional hunter is.

A client who arrives in camp with the idea that he knows best.

He wants to hunt according to his own, preconceived plans.

He has either hunted at home, and thinks he knows it all, or has read about how to hunt and has his mind set.

A client who comes along with a list of animals he wishes to “harvest” - I really do not like this word applied to hunting at all.

He only wants Gold medal this and Gold medal that.

Monday he wants a kudu.
Tuesday he wants a warthog.
Wednesday he wants a buffalo.

The leopard is for the weekend!

Or the client who arrives in camp with a rifle has never fired!

I know, some of you will find this hard to believe, but I have personally seen it.

A man had a 416 Rigby, custom made and weighs almost 20 pounds - at least that is how it felt to me!

He had one box of ammo, and he came for lion.

He did not want to pay for bait animals - he thought he would find the lions sleeping under a tree.

He could not hit the target box, let alone the target.

He flinched so bad he actually killed an animal - kudu - standing a few yards from the one he was aiming at!

The client can check the reputation of the professional hunter he hunts with.

The professional hunter cannot, for a first timer.

Saeed, Good post. Very useful for first timers I think.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
If we take into consideration that many hunters going to Africa are first timers, they are going to meet someone unknown to them.

That by itself is not a problem, as the prospective client can do some research and pick a suitable professional to hunt with.

From stories I have heard, the following do cause problems, regardless of how good the professional hunter is.

A client who arrives in camp with the idea that he knows best.

He wants to hunt according to his own, preconceived plans.

He has either hunted at home, and thinks he knows it all, or has read about how to hunt and has his mind set.

A client who comes along with a list of animals he wishes to “harvest” - I really do not like this word applied to hunting at all.

He only wants Gold medal this and Gold medal that.

Monday he wants a kudu.
Tuesday he wants a warthog.
Wednesday he wants a buffalo.

The leopard is for the weekend!

Or the client who arrives in camp with a rifle has never fired!

I know, some of you will find this hard to believe, but I have personally seen it.

A man had a 416 Rigby, custom made and weighs almost 20 pounds - at least that is how it felt to me!

He had one box of ammo, and he came for lion.

He did not want to pay for bait animals - he thought he would find the lions sleeping under a tree.

He could not hit the target box, let alone the target.

He flinched so bad he actually killed an animal - kudu - standing a few yards from the one he was aiming at!

The client can check the reputation of the professional hunter he hunts with.

The professional hunter cannot, for a first timer.

I vividly remember my first trip. We were picked up in Bulawayo and taken to the house of the owners of the property that we were going to hunt. While we were chatting, he asked if we had every hunted before. Well, I thought that was downright weird. He went on to explain that the previous client showed up having never hunted or shot a gun before. When he pulled his gun out, the scope was not attached. It was in a box in his bag.

The story got better. The client asked for help attaching the scope. He had no rings.

I also had three good safaris with Martin Pieters in 2009, '10 and '11. Good trophies and good times all around. Least favorite PH was an American PH in Tanzania. Always felt they had oversold the buff quota, it was late in the season and they were just driving us around Lokisale and Lobo... guys name was Cash Taylor and he was hunting for Ridge Taylor Safaris.

When I look back at how my first hunt to Africa was planned, I keep wondering how it actually worked out so well.

I ticked all the wrong boxes.

I was in Seattle, Washington, visiting Boeing.

I was going to Houston in a couple of months time to do a commercial pilot training course.

I read a hunting magazine, and in it was an adverts for the Klinebergers, offering hunts in Africa.

I thought I might enjoy facing what Capstick so scared off, the buffalo.

I went to see them, and met a gentleman and his son. You can say they were both gentlemen without any reservations.

They answered all my questions, and went out of their way to help a new hunter.

I said I wented to go right now!!

He said he had an opening for a 21 day all bag hunt in Zimbabwe - I have never even heard of that country before.

I had no rifles, and I was going to fly back to England to pick up my girl friend, then to Zimbabwe.

No problems.

They took me to a gunshop, I bought 2 second hand rifles.

A Remington Safari 375 H&H and a Ruger 77 25-06.

I asked how do I get the rifles to Zimbabwe.

No problem.

They organized that and the rifles were waiting for me at the airport at Vic Falls!

Arrived in the morning in Zim, got picked at the airport by Roy Vincent.

He asked what animals I was after.

I told him "everything I can shoot"

Had lunch, and went out in the after noon and shot a waterbuck.

A few days later we found an elephant.

Got close to him, and I was working in my mind how I would shoot.

Pull the trigger, reload, pull the trigger, reload, pull the trigger.

Imagine my total shock when the elephant dropped down stone dead as I fired.

A few days later we went to the Deka safari area.

The cam was at a waterhole.

Went out in the afternoon and followed some buffalo.

Caught up with them just before sun down at the waterhole by the camp!!??

Rene, and her two young kids, Alan and Diana were watching the buffalo have a drink.

They had no idea we were across the river watching the buffalo.

The Remington takes 2 in the magazine, and one in the chamber.

I somehow managed to squeeze a third one in the magazine, and chambered a fourth round.

I fired at the buffalo, the magazine bottom opened, all the cartridges fell out, I started running at break neck speed after the buffalo, loading a round by hand.

Roy was screaming STOP RUNNING!

The buffalo dropped dead a few yards further.

I have photos of the young family by my first buffalo.

Had an absolutely fantastic hunt at Rosslyn Safaris.

Met an American gentleman with his wife there.

He had some health problems, and died in camp.

Rene was schooling her kids at home.

One day I asked Diana if she had ever ridden a camel?

She said no.

IU picked her up and put her on my shoulders and ran around with her.

At school the next day she announced "I have had a ride on a CAMEL!"

Rene told her to stop lying!

She said "I am not lying mom! I had a ride on Saeed!"

Now both Diana and Alan have their own kids, and a very long friendship was started.

The Vincents all come to visit us in April every year, and we hunt with them every year too.

Alan has a 4 year old son, and the kid absolutely loves shooting!

First thing he says to his parents in the morning "can we go to Uncle Saeed and shoot?"

Hessa has a Chipmunk 22 single shot, and he uses that one. Perfect size for him.

What a fantastic way to bring up a child!

What a fantastic story Saeed but you missed out how Walter came into the picture in later years

Love that story Saeed! So, that's where your passion for buffalo started! By the way, Chris Klineberger and his second wife Grace, live here in Las Vegas and I visit with them occasionally as we both have mutual friends. Lovely people, and Chris is a living legend.

Great story, Saeed. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Love that story Saeed! So, that's where your passion for buffalo started! By the way, Chris Klineberger and his second wife Grace, live here in Las Vegas and I visit with them occasionally as we both have mutual friends. Lovely people, and Chris is a living legend.

Please give them my best regards.

Ah Walter!

He asked to go hunting with me, and he was not in the best of health.

A plan was made, that he would come, and a mutual friend would come along too.

Neither her nor Walter has been on safari before.

The deal was if Walter got sick, she would fly with him back home - I was not going to break my hunt because of him!

She asked what would happen if Walter died.

We agreed to use him as hyena bait!

One of my brothers gave Fiona a desert camo suit - shirt and trousers.

Exactly as they had in Desert Storm.

On safari we nicknamed Fiona Norman Schwartzkopf, as she was the same build as him.

I bought the best VHS video camera, with all the bells and whistles, and gave it to Walter to video the hunt.

He always walked behind Fiona, and we got 15 hours of video.

15 minutes of hunting, and the rest of Fiona's backside!

Now we cannot go without him!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Love that story Saeed! So, that's where your passion for buffalo started! By the way, Chris Klineberger and his second wife Grace, live here in Las Vegas and I visit with them occasionally as we both have mutual friends. Lovely people, and Chris is a living legend.

Please give them my best regards.

Ah Walter!

He asked to go hunting with me, and he was not in the best of health.

A plan was made, that he would come, and a mutual friend would come along too.

Neither her nor Walter has been on safari before.

The deal was if Walter got sick, she would fly with him back home - I was not going to break my hunt because of him!

She asked what would happen if Walter died.

We agreed to use him as hyena bait!

One of my brothers gave Fiona a desert camo suit - shirt and trousers.

Exactly as they had in Desert Storm.

On safari we nicknamed Fiona Norman Schwartzkopf, as she was the same build as him.

I bought the best VHS video camera, with all the bells and whistles, and gave it to Walter to video the hunt.

He always walked behind Fiona, and we got 15 hours of video.

15 minutes of hunting, and the rest of Fiona's backside!

Now we cannot go without him!

Priceless

Good little story!

I too think that the country and the tracker are the real experience. The tracker is "Africa" and I watch him like a hawk. I love the being in the bush. A good PH is a real pleasure to hunt with I I have been fortunate to be with good ones.

Here is my chance to mention on a couple of PH's that pissed me off.
An asshole for Ph's really sucks the oxygen out of the hunt.

Two Waters Safari has policy where the client sits in a truck for an hour or two, roaring down the highway at 130 KMH with the radio blaring out a rugby game, so you cam get to a hunting pasture to follow a cigarette smoking PH around. And, then at then of the hunt, Brian Seedy, the outfitter, gets amnesia about the trophy fees he quoted prior to the hunt.

Johan Seyffert of K&S Safari is an ex French Foreign Legion soldier who drinks too much and gets very over bearing at the end of the day. (drunk) I think he has a screw loose. ( I don't drink and it was a PITA.) Thankfully I never had to hunt with him because he didn't have a DG license, but I got to argue with him at the end of the day in camp, on my dime.

Whoah, That felt good to tell that! Brian

Short answer for me, and can only speak for North America, is use this forum, huntingreports and then make personal contact with the folks that have used the guide/outfitter. Only done it a few times, but it has worked well for me. I used to be an assistant guide in my youth, clients can often be an issue, but there are also some less than scrupulous guides/outfitters out there. Just use the resources out there to find a good one, there lots of them out there and fine people at that.