In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

Me

Do I get a cash prize if I can guess Saeed's answer?

Once had a PH ask me to have a look at a Leopard set up as he had no idea why the big cat would not feed.

Having examined the ground I told him Hyena don't climb trees.

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

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Having examined the ground I told him Hyena don't climb trees.

It has been a while but I seem to recall that the tracks are similar from the seat of a Cruiser...

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

What an utterly stupid post!

Everyone stands on his own feet here.

No one gets any protection from AR.

The goods guys always are praised and the crooks are always told what they are!

May be you can give me ONE example where AR has protected a crook!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

What an utterly stupid post!

Everyone stands on his own feet here.

No one gets any protection from AR.

The goods guys always are praised and the crooks are always told what they are!

May be you can give me ONE example where AR has protected a crook!

Are you serious? You must be joking.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

What an utterly stupid post!

Everyone stands on his own feet here.

No one gets any protection from AR.

The goods guys always are praised and the crooks are always told what they are!

May be you can give me ONE example where AR has protected a crook!

Are you serious? You must be joking.

Not at all.

Show me ONE example where we at AR favored any crook!

I am not talking about crooks.I am talking about good or bad experiences in general-greed,stuff like that...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I am not talking about crooks.I am talking about good or bad experiences in general-greed,stuff like that...

OK, when have you ever seen AR not allow anyone from posting his or her bad experience?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I am not talking about crooks.I am talking about good or bad experiences in general-greed,stuff like that...

OK, when have you ever seen AR not allow anyone from posting his or her bad experience?

Who said anything about AR not allowing bad experiences to be posted? Are you trying to divert the subject?

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

Please explain what you mean by the above then!

The way I understand it, you mean that people get favorable treatment when they do not deserve, and are being protected!

Something which utterly untrue.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
In another thread excellent PHs were mentioned, but what about the lousy ones? Which ones should be avoided?

How can you get an honest reply when most posters in the African hunting forum are either in the industry or their groupies.If you say anything negative even if it is the truth,I hope you are not planning to go back.

Please explain what you mean by the above then!

The way I understand it, you mean that people get favorable treatment when they do not deserve, and are being protected!

Something which utterly untrue.

Yes that is what I mean and its true.
Do you believe you would be treated the way you are on your hunts if you did not own this web site and you did not have the funds to return often? I am not saying you would have been treated bad but your experience,IMO would be of lesser quality.

I hope any paying client gets treated well, and the facts show that the majority do get treated well.

All one has to do is be honest and do his home work who to hunt with.

But, I can assure you there are a lot more crooked clients than there are crooked professional hunters.

I suppose that is normal as there are a lot more hunters than professional hunters.

And this is not just related to hunting, but to all forms of relationship between those providing a service and those who buy this service.

Even in business, I avoid dealing with certain people due to their unsavory reputation, and I have no problems telling them the reason I do not wish to deal with them

When one is honest, regardless in what he does, people would know.
And when one is dishonest, people will avoid them.

Remember that hunt where you mistook a cow for a bull and then ranted at the ineptness of your PH who was all but inept and the sad story backfired badly on you?

If you cannot recall the incident the rest of the AR community certainly hasn't forgotten so you'd be wise not to ripple the millpond unless you want a tsunami coming your way.

I would think that Martin Pieters would be a strong contender.

To me this question need to be clarified. Is the OP referring to skills, work ethic, hunting ethics, business ethics or a combination thereof?

It seems to me that there could be a different answer for each.

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Remember that hunt where you mistook a cow for a bull and then ranted at the ineptness of your PH who was all but inept and the sad story backfired badly on you?

If you cannot recall the incident the rest of the AR community certainly hasn't forgotten so you'd be wise not to ripple the millpond unless you want a tsunami coming your way.

This is not the first time you are showing up on a thread for the purpose of insulting and harassing me.I do not know who you are and really don't care.Your post just goes to prove my point about people one would not want to deal with in Africa and please stop harassing me.If you can't have a mature discussion with someone Go F... yourself.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
To me this question need to be clarified. Is the OP referring to skills, work ethic, hunting ethics, business ethics or a combination thereof?

It seems to me that there could be a different answer for each.

Larry,

I take the question as a combination of everything.

And this applies to both parties, client and professional hunter.

Those of us who have been hunting for years tend to have a certain reputation - good or bad is immaterial- but people dealing with us make up their own minds whether to deal with a certain individual or not.

I know a number of professional hunters who have refused to hunt with certain clients.

Just like us clients avoiding to deal with certain individuals in the business.

As far as I am concerned, any professional hunter who has had negative reports on his performance, and those reports come from reliable sources, I would avoid dealing with him.

That is why we try to keep AR very open to any discussion - discussions that are not allowed on some other sites.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
To me this question need to be clarified. Is the OP referring to skills, work ethic, hunting ethics, business ethics or a combination thereof?

It seems to me that there could be a different answer for each.

Larry,

I take the question as a combination of everything.

And this applies to both parties, client and professional hunter. Those of us who have been hunting for years tend to have a certain reputation - good or bad is immaterial- but people dealing with us make up their own minds whether to deal with a certain individual or not. I know a number of professional hunters who have refused to hunt with certain clients.

Just like us clients avoiding to deal with certain individuals in the business.

As far as I am concerned, any professional hunter who has had negative reports on his performance, and those reports come from reliable sources, I would avoid dealing with him.

That is why we try to keep AR very open to any discussion - discussions that are not allowed on some other sites.

Agreed, I remember the time a client was publicly fired by an outfitter on this forum.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Remember that hunt where you mistook a cow for a bull and then ranted at the ineptness of your PH who was all but inept and the sad story backfired badly on you?

If you cannot recall the incident the rest of the AR community certainly hasn't forgotten so you'd be wise not to ripple the millpond unless you want a tsunami coming your way.

This is not the first time you are showing up on a thread for the purpose of insulting and harassing me.I do not know who you are and really don't care.Your post just goes to prove my point about people one would not want to deal with in Africa and please stop harassing me.If you can't have a mature discussion with someone Go F... yourself.

George, why do you think you are being harassed? Fulvio is speaking the truth. You shot a buffalo cow instead of a bull when the PH was telling you not to shoot. You posted the video of it here. You caused a major problem for the outfitter dealing with Parks and they ate most of the fine in order to help you out of the situation you put yourself in.

Then you came on here and crapped on the outfitter! You stated publicly here on AR that you shot the cow because you were tired of tracking and stalking without getting the opportunity to shoot something so you "went out and brought meat back to the camp".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Others here refer to you as an Asshat. I just think you're an ASS!!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Remember that hunt where you mistook a cow for a bull and then ranted at the ineptness of your PH who was all but inept and the sad story backfired badly on you?

If you cannot recall the incident the rest of the AR community certainly hasn't forgotten so you'd be wise not to ripple the millpond unless you want a tsunami coming your way.

This is not the first time you are showing up on a thread for the purpose of insulting and harassing me.I do not know who you are and really don't care.Your post just goes to prove my point about people one would not want to deal with in Africa and please stop harassing me.If you can't have a mature discussion with someone Go F... yourself.

George, why do you think you are being harassed? Fulvio is speaking the truth. You shot a buffalo cow instead of a bull when the PH was telling you not to shoot. You posted the video of it here. You caused a major problem for the outfitter dealing with Parks and they ate most of the fine in order to help you out of the situation you put yourself in.

Then you came on here and crapped on the outfitter! You stated publicly here on AR that you shot the cow because you were tired of tracking and stalking without getting the opportunity to shoot something so you "went out and brought meat back to the camp".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Others here refer to you as an Asshat. I just think you're an ASS!!

You are the perfect example of a groupie I was referring to and yes, if one repeatedly seeks out someone on a thread that he doesn't get along with just to insult him over again he is harassing that individual.Just like you are doing here.So I ask you too, please stop.

To the original question...
Evance (or Evans) Mkanza.
He should get an award for screwing the most clients.
Kept my trophy fee so Parks would not release my buffalo, shitty camp, fat ass, on his cell when stalking, etc., Miserable piece of human shit. Liar, thief, lost his license.
Cal

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Remember that hunt where you mistook a cow for a bull and then ranted at the ineptness of your PH who was all but inept and the sad story backfired badly on you?

If you cannot recall the incident the rest of the AR community certainly hasn't forgotten so you'd be wise not to ripple the millpond unless you want a tsunami coming your way.

This is not the first time you are showing up on a thread for the purpose of insulting and harassing me.I do not know who you are and really don't care.Your post just goes to prove my point about people one would not want to deal with in Africa and please stop harassing me.If you can't have a mature discussion with someone Go F... yourself.

George, why do you think you are being harassed? Fulvio is speaking the truth. You shot a buffalo cow instead of a bull when the PH was telling you not to shoot. You posted the video of it here. You caused a major problem for the outfitter dealing with Parks and they ate most of the fine in order to help you out of the situation you put yourself in.

Then you came on here and crapped on the outfitter! You stated publicly here on AR that you shot the cow because you were tired of tracking and stalking without getting the opportunity to shoot something so you "went out and brought meat back to the camp".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Others here refer to you as an Asshat. I just think you're an ASS!!

You are the perfect example of a groupie I was referring to and yes, if one repeatedly seeks out someone on a thread that he doesn't get along with just to insult him over again he is harassing that individual.Just like you are doing here.So I ask you too, please stop.

So to be clear George, what part of the story do you deny?

Do you deny shooting a buff cow while on a buff bull hunt?
Do you deny shooting this cow while Blake was telling you not to shoot?
Do you deny coming here on AR and claiming you did this to "bring meat to camp" because you were tired of hunting without killing something?
Do you deny posting the video of the entire sad experience?
Do you deny your actions caused a major problem for the outfitter with Parks?
Do you deny the outfitter paid the majority of your fine to prevent you from experiencing legal troubles in a 3rd world country's legal system?
Do you deny coming here on AR and crapping on the outfitter afterwards?

Just trying to understand what part of the story you disagree with so that we can all understand why you think you are being harassed.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
To the original question...
Evance (or Evans) Mkanza.
He should get an award for screwing the most clients.
Kept my trophy fee so Parks would not release my buffalo, shitty camp, fat ass, on his cell when stalking, etc., Miserable piece of human shit. Liar, thief, lost his license.
Cal

Reminds me of someone who shoots his clients buffalo, because the clients are such bad hunters, and other pros are so scared they actually let the clients kill their own buffalo!

Oh, and let us never forgot operating illegally without a license, shooting ear tagged, farm bred buffalo with several shots from his 600 Nitro Express!

Bloody hell, it cannot get any worse to be avoided!

I will say one thing about the average zim PH. They are true gentlemen. I have only seen one time an outfitter blacklisted a person on AR, and it was well deserved.
What would the response be if the Zim PHs posted a list of clients they hate to hunt with or won't at all? They are business men, and must act as so, but you rarely hear a cross word from any of them regardless of what went on. I very much respect that, and think most, if not all are a fine lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04EtOyVeHY


That's what I thought!

Could you or any person on this site please show what I posted about a sleeping lion? To my knowledge I never said a thing. I will be waiting

Didnt want to start a fight. But I would get my shit together if I was you.

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Didnt want to start a fight. But I would get my shit together if I was you.

A bit difficult to do that when you have your mind set on something!

Ya I see that. I dont like getting called out on stuff I didnt say.

George, George?

Bueller, Bueller?

Still waiting on a denial!

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Ya I see that. I dont like getting called out on stuff I didnt say.

Are you married?

The story of a hunter shooting a leopard comes to mind of a PH to avoid.

After placing many bait locations, And having many different leopards on the different baits, the decision made after checking the trail cameras by the PH was to set up and go after a large leopard of interest. So the PH and hunter were in the blind and a leopard come in and starts feeding on the bait, then the PH give the hunter the go ahead to shoot, and it was a great shot. The Leopard is killed and pictures are taken, however the leopard does not have any family jewels. The hunter pays the trophy fees for the leopard and goes home. Now at home, the hunter after the normal waiting period starts to check with his PH about when he can get his trophy trophy leopard exported, and it never shows. That is when the hunter finds out that he killed a leopard of the wrong sex for it to be exported.

So the question becomes, would you book a hunt or leopard with this PH?

So things do happen out there that you try to avoid when you are looking to book a hunt.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04EtOyVeHY


That's what I thought!

so we have crickets and wind, that good if i want to go to sleep.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Do I get a cash prize if I can guess Saeed's answer?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Could you or any person on this site please show what I posted about a sleeping lion? To my knowledge I never said a thing. I will be waiting

I got you mixed up with someone else.
I will delete my post.But you are still an asshole like him.

Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

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Originally posted by Jeff SN:
Yes larry I am I do have a wife that puts up with me most of the time.
Mister george, I think your actions on this site in the past have summed you up on its own. As far as calling me an asshole, I dont like it. Where I come from thats not very friendly. I guess I will come explain manners to you at either SCI, or DSC. Whatever you would like. You say you go to at least one.
I look forward to it.

I am going to find out what is your name and notify the authorities.