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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...found-using-DNA.html It's been very interesting what DNA studies have shown us ! | ||
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The most elementary questions when talking about different species are: - Can they interbreed? - If yes, can the offspring fully reproduce? As long as these two questions are not answered with a scientifically unequivocal "NO", the savanna and forest African elephant are just as far away as a Great Dane and a Jack Russell. The Indian and African elephant can actually interbreed, although I've not found record of viable offsprings, so the question of species vs subspecies in their case is not fully settled (they are usually considered as separate species). Philip | |||
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Them little rascally scientists proving the obvious again. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I wonder what that will do (if anything) to quota for elephant in places like Cameroon? CITES has them as Appendix I already I believe, but I wonder if it will cut the quota down even more? Greg Brownlee Neal and Brownlee, LLC Quality Worldwide Big Game Hunts Since 1975 918/299-3580 greg@NealAndBrownlee.com www.NealAndBrownlee.com Instagram: @NealAndBrownleeLLC Hunt reports: Botswana 2010 Alaska 2011 Bezoar Ibex, Turkey 2012 Mid Asian Ibex, Kyrgyzstan 2014 | |||
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It sometimes seems as though the antihunting faction is very strongly in favour of the "splitting" school of thought (which creates more and more distinct species as opposed to subspecies) rather than the "lumping" side (which tends to lump more and more varied genotypes together to create fewer species, but with more subspecies to account for variations). Here in Canada they're working hard to make us believe that our Ontario wolves are distinct from the rest of the continent's timberwolves, and therefore they must not be hunted. I think that they are calling them "Algonquin" wolves, and the hand-wringing and wailing that revolves around the plight of these "endangered" wolves is quite a show. In the region surrounding Algonquin Provincial Park, they are limiting the numbers of these animals that may be shot, and requiring a tag for shooting them. They even have the coyote in these areas included in this farcical legislation, the stated logic being that most people cannot tell the difference between wolves and coyotes. Therefore, in the areas affected by this nonsense, coyotes are effectively protected. For those that don't know what the coyote situation is up here, rest assured...they are present in plague-like numbers. Groundhog hunting is largely a thing of the past, and in many areas dogs and cats are taken from peoples' yards during all hours...but don't shoot them! Think of those endangered Algonquin wolves! A bit of a tangent to this thread, some might think? Don't kid yourselves. If elephants are split into 2 or 3 or more species, then the total population of elephants will be split and each species will be even more "endangered" than the typical antihunter already "knows" that they are now. I hope that I'm just being paranoid...but I don't think so. John | |||
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John, Good post. It is just a new ploy of the anti-hunting crowd. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I thought the three species of elephants were, large, larger and largest?  Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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That is not paranoid at all. It is a tactic used these days to create new groups that are in need of special protection. Another frequently used tactic is game departments not having factual species population statistics from counts. Many use species habitat 'models' to extrapolate population estimates and it that is used by the anti's to have seasons closed until proper statistics can be produced that support a managed hunt. This fracturing of the total African elephant population in to different species is just the sort of thing they like to use. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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Science is man made. The rules of science are man made! Now someone will say that the Asian Lion & the African lion are different species. Take Borneo for example - the island has been separated for a very long time. Now they say that the clouded leopard there is actually a different species compared to one found in mainland Asia - from Eastern India to Vietnam. What about the Borneo elephant then. Is that a different species? The Siberian Amur tiger is 3 times the size of the Sumatran tiger. Does that make it a different species? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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If they are using this as a tactic, the various hunting groups that split up species for record books are playing right into their hands. Caleb | |||
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I'd always heard them called by: cull, tuskless and trophy. | |||
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I have what I consider a very good spot for the forest elephants in Cameroun. The tusks are not importable to the USA, but are importable to European countries. My hunts are self guided and very successful if you are interested, PM me. Camshaft | |||
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