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In preparation for a safari coming up in March '06, JudgeG is starting a diet tomorrow. I would like a poll to see how much weight the members here think he needs to lose. Here is the "before" picture taken recently in the Selous.


Choices:
At least 20 lbs
At Least 30 lbs
Don't lose any, he looks fit and trim
Why bother ?
He needs to put on some weight.

 
 
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I would like to bid 45 pounds.

And may I be so impertinent as to suggest 2 (TWO) cardio workouts of at least 45 minutes per day, one in the a.m. and one in the evening.

Other ideas:

no alcohol
no sugar
no starch
low carbs
high protein
take vitamin supplements
 
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Other ideas:

no alcohol
no sugar
no starch
low carbs
high protein
take vitamin supplements


I see the Judge running around every year at DSC, and he seems to be having the time of his life, and in perfect health! Don't change a thing! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
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It's all in the S's...some are yes and some are no...

The no's

Sugar
Salt
Starch
Suet (fat)
Sauce (alcohol)

The yes's

Sex
Sweat
Sit ups
Shooting


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Our kind host, Saeed, just moved a post about losing weight from the African Safari threads to somewhere else.... but, I think it is important that we stay fit (or get fit, in my case) if we are really going to enjoy our experiences. (Saeed, according to Pierr'e is like the Eveready Bunny.. with his trim body habitus, he just keeps going.. and heat, of course, is not a consideration)... I don't think he knows of the struggle of us who are circumferencally challenged. We need mutual support!

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But that aside... kind sir or ward heeler or whomever.. move this if you wish... but please pray for us fat folks.

At the doctor's office on Wednesday, I broke the scale at a whopping 306 lbs. I figure I can lose 10 lbs a month (usually too much for good health, but look where I'm coming from). September through February... that'd be 60 big 'uns and I'd weigh a "trim" 256 to win the bet.

I will still need to lose more than that eventually. I'm a big boned guy, but about 220 is where I do best.

I have to take Mr. & Mrs. 1115 to supper if I fail. I'll keep you updated.


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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Don't feel bad JudgeG, at my last physical, my doctor told me that my weight was perfect. The only problem was that at 6' 2", I was 2 feet too short. bewildered
 
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60 lbs would be far too much to shoot for. Anyone can lose the weight but if you challenge yourself to lose 25 lbs and keep it off for one year you will have accomplished far more for yourself than simply losing 60 lbs.
The cardio workout is a must. I went back on the run yesterday and barely cleared one round on the track. Even running the stairs has been a challenge lately. It is really easier to do a small amount regularly than to start and stop regularly.
I had to promise my wife I would do better or she will pull the plug on my hunting excersions. She already talked with my boss and my doctor to be sure they know I slack off occasionally.
Wherever this thread goes it is still a good read.
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A friend of mine lost 140 pounds in 18 months on a low carb diet (solidly over 300 lbs to start). 2 years later, he hovers within 10 pounds of his lowest weight in 20 years. Anyone can do it, with some dedication. Good luck!
 
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I wish you all the best Judge. We could all stand to lose some weight I'm sure. I'd like to drop 15 pounds myself...good luck!

By the way, you do know alcohol is really fattening...what will you choose to replace your single malt????? That's tough.


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Do not trust the scales in a Doctor's office. They always add 10 or 20 pounds to mess with your mind.
 
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Judge, my friend.
I too would like to see you loose some weight, not only for your hunt but for your health.
However as Single Malt has no sugar a little a day does not hurt.
The key is a proper diet and exercise.
I know a girl who lost 80 lbs just by changing her diet a little and walking an hour most EVERY night.


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Jeez! If he looses weight, then I have to loose weight!

It's a Damn Conspiracy I tell you!

Who's been talk'n with my wife? Mac, Perry? roflmao


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Judge,

I hate to say it, but don't let anyone kid you: Alcohol is metabolized as sugar.

Still, a shot (or two) a day is good for you, and there's plenty else to give up.

Best of luck.


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JudgeG...it's my always(yeah right!!) humble opinion that you can do the 60 lbs on time. i've been on the weight roller coaster long enough to know. it's not complicated...just hard as hell to do. common sense, will power and simple choices....get in shape, feel good, live to kill that 100 lb elephant, or... the other thing. come to think of it...i'm about 205 and need to be about 165.(yes..short and presently fat) my dad always said "if you can't afford to lose then you can't afford to bet" so i won't put any money on the table, but i'll be with you all the way to march. may the best man get healthy... i hope like hell you get that dream buff next year...bud


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Jeez! If he looses weight, then I have to loose weight!

It's a Damn Conspiracy I tell you!

Who's been talk'n with my wife? Mac, Perry? roflmao


Well Rusty,

I must admit that when I met you and Judge G at the DSC in January I was glad you had a shirt with your name on it. As the two of you fine fellows do have more than a few shared looks. About the same height, weight, age, big white mustaches, and very friendly and out going personalities.

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Dale,

He is going on a diet so he can eat some of my home made kielbasi and some of the homemade horshraddish...

All kidding aside, he has plenty of time to drop some weight over a long period of time...



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I think Shapespear said it first "beware young Cassius, he has a lean and hungry look".

A thin attorney, with a lean and hungry look, could be scary shame and like I tell my wife..why mess with perfection.


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Do not trust the scales in a Doctor's office. They always add 10 or 20 pounds to mess with your mind.


This is true!!!! I have been telling people this for years, but they don't believe me!
 
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JudgeG - Good luck to you, I know what you are going thru and wish you the best in meeting your goal (and winning the bet).

Last Sept 17, the scale at my doctors office read 317 lbs. I decided I either needed to do something about it, or give up dreams of hunting in the mountains for sheep/goats and walking miles after African game. The later wasn't really an option. And so the challenge to lose 100 lbs began.

The only changes to my eating was "no seconds" and yogurt replaced my biscuits for breakfast. I increased my exercise from 2 or 3 to 5 days a week (running/biking/swimming). In May I did a triathlon and have 2 more in the next 5 weeks. While I've not yet lost the 100 lbs, I'm at 245 tonight, taken 8 inches off the waste and feel better than I have in a long time.

One other thing I've done to serve as a reminder is I kept and still use the belt I had last year. I have had to make 5 additional holes "up" to the belt to cinch it tight, and every time I look down and tighten, it reminds me of the progress made and the inches I still need to go. I mention this because I see the belt in your photo and offer it as a way of positive reinforcement.

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Goiod for you. Keep it up.
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How about an enama every day, that should get the job done! jump


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Ray....for all the good an enema does you might as well stick it up your a$$. roflmao roflmao roflmao


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Ray does not need need an enema, he got a bottle of mineral oil for his birthday, in Dallas. roflmao

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Someone should make a puke-pill that squirts in your mouth. You bite into one everytime you feel hungry or just before you slide up to a table. That would have to be some kind of reinforcement, not sure if positive.


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I was comparing the photo to what I see in the mirror. Judge G, you don't need to lose any weight. If you want to keep up with me, you will have to gain some (LOL).

Seriously, I carry about forty extra pounds around with me and would like to lose that extra baggage. The problem is that I also like single malt, beer, and food, not necessarily in that order. Also, I didn't get to this age to deprive myself of life's simple pleasures. So far, I have not had to back off on anything in hunting, but for the sheep hunt next August, I think I shall join you in your quest.


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JudgeG:

60 lbs. is a very worthy goal and we are all hopeful you reach it!

Having been through this experience four years back, at that time my weight was 250 lbs. Many years of only work, travel, eating late at night, inactivity, etc lead me to put on the extra 60 lbs. Well I got a wake-up call in April 2001 and decided I would change my lifestyle. I dropped the 60 lbs. in 3 months reducing my food intake down to 1200 to 1400 calories/day and beginning to excercise again..first walking and then adding some weight lifting, etc.

The key to losing weight and keeping it off is changing your lifestyle...A diet in and of itself will not work in the long run...So my advice is make some serious changes to your lifetstyle/routine ie food intake (do not worry about certain foods, just limit intake, if you can limit to 1200 calories/day you will shed the lbs..but excercise as well as that keeps your motabilism going), excercise, do not eat late at night, and forget the alcohol (empty calories) and fast food (well Subway may work)...many benefits to the excercise thing!

I have been able to keep my weight to 190-195 lbs since 2001 and have no problems except during holidays!! well a little does not hurt as long as you keep up the excercise thing and get back to your routine.

Anyway, I want to wish you the best on your endeavor to lose 60 lbs! I am sure you will do it!!! If you need support give me a call...If you want some dieting assitance let me know I may be able to provide you some help!

Good luck! jjs
 
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Eliminate fried foods and high-fat dairy products (butter, ice cream, cheese, etc.), cut back on most "fast food", substitute more fish & chicken (baked or grilled), eat more fresh fruit and veggies, and get a moderate amount of excercise. Guaranteed to work.


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Ernest: Lots of good advice here. Dawna says if you like, she can steer you in the right direction. GIve her a call. jorge


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As another hunter who has become mildly circumfrencially challenged I can understand the need not to exceed. However, my DR has simply said that he doesn't want to be like me at my age. That is one from a former Pillsbury dough boy! Well! He made his point, and life is far better when fit. The very best of luck and I do hope that the 1115's have a five star awaiting your victory party.






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Fat doesn't make fat. It's the calories derived from what you eat that make you fat. Carbos, processed flour and sugars do. Fruits and veggies can be your enemy too if the carb/sugar content is bad. Bananasare FULL of carbos as are potatoes. Carrots are loaded with sugar. Fats become an issue if you have coronary issues. The term "low fat" is probably responsible for more fat people than ice cream and doughnuts! jorge


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If one is fat, one probably has cardiovascular issues, and a much higher risk of diabetes and many common types of cancer, regardless of how one got that way.


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Loosing weight is the toughest thing in the world to do. Advice, walk - don't run (knees can only take so much) - 2-3 miles at least 3 days per week and try for 15 minute miles, weight train at least twice per week, loose the fried foods, loose regular sodas (the new Coke Zero is great IMHO), more fruits and veggies, lean fish, poultry, and red meat, substitute red wine in the evenings for "hard liquor". Small meals and snacks (healthy ones) throughout the day instead of larger meals. Shoot for 2 pounds per week. Good luck.


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the new Coke Zero is great IMHO


Amen to that!

I've been doing the low carb thing for awhile. It works! I may not be down to my former fighting best, but each month the dial on the scale goes down and down..

And more importantly, for me, the low carb life style makes me feel better. Even after eating a 16 ounce NY strip steak I feel less stuffed then if I ate 8 ounces of pasta.


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If he loses 20 lbs, i believe it will make a BIG difference. So start there judge.
 
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JudgeG,

Always eat half the number of proteins that you do carbs, remembering not to exceed 30 carbs per meal.

Example: 30grs carbs + 15 grams of protein
15grs carbs + 7 grams of protein

Pretty much all veggies are free carbs, except potatoes and corn, they are to be counted in the original carb count.

Always make sure there is at least 3 hours between each meal. Any carbs your body does not burn up in the first 2 hours after you eat will be stored as fat. An average body can break down 30grs of carbs in 2 hours and no more.

3 meals and 2 snacks a day.

No eating at least 2 hours before bed.

Drink water till you drop and then drink more.

Cut out sodas period. Diet sodas' are as harmful as regular soda.

Dump sugar and sugar laden products and unhealthy fat laden foods. (Cook in olive oil within reason).

Exercise, walk, jog, play ball, whatever at least 30 mins a day.

Bottom line, you can have carbs, just so long as you use the 30 or less carbs along with half that number in proteins.

Here is an online carb counter, you can download the PDF version if you like and print it out or keep it on your desktop.

http://atkins.com/global/carb-counter/

The weight will come off pretty quickly at first, then a bit slower, but it will still go.

This is not a diet, but rather a way of life and eating. It is the form of eating now reccomended for people who are on the edge of or are beginning IR diabetics.

My daughter has been doing it for a month and has lost 16 pounds.

I have been and still am the host victim of 2 diseases mentioned by fla3006. One is in remission and the other is something I will have to manage the rest of my life. I love food, I hate giving up foods, but somehow when you work it out this way, you can eat just about everything you want and still lose weight and maintain your health.

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NOTE The carb counter is from the Atkins sight, the food plan is not. The Atkins diet is far too restrictive in carbs (health issues) for many people including me.
 
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I got through the first day with evreyones encouragement. I'm going to combine folks suggestions and just make darn sure that I burn more calories than I consume, limiting my caloric intake to less than 1400 calories and maybe less, considering if I have time to worry about food.

My biggest problem has been coming home to an empty house and cooking for something to do, instead of cooking for something good for me to eat.

Living less than 200 yards from the beach, I have some great routes to get in several miles in the morning before work and I'll do that today.

Thanks.
 
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Judge, Our very dear friend Mims Reed aka Harry to us here sent the most wonderful card to my wife last year as she began her battle with ovarian cancer. It was the little train that could, and the caption was simply
"I know I can...I know I can..." Yes you can, now get out there and smile asthe world awaits. PS, yes Mims was right... she could and has! I still pray harder, and with thanks to all.






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The South Beach diet is by far the easiest and healthiest of the "fad" diets. Designed by a cardiologists for his patients, it works....Period. Average loss will be about 10 pounds the first couple of weeks, then about 2 1/2 pounds a week, unless you really like to exercise. Get the book.


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My best wishes on your attempt. It is not easy but is a rewarding thing when you are successful.

Last November I weighed in at a tad under 400, yea I know how the hell could I let it get that far out of control. Anyway today I'm in at around 270. No fancy diets just a bit of common sense.

I did the diet thing many times and would loose 30-50 lbs and plateau and then eventually add it back and then some. This time I don't look at it as a diet. I changed my life style. I started by fasting for a few days to shrink my stomach and then just eat less. I still have everything I want just much smaller portions. I usually have fruit for breakfast, more fruit and a slice or two of lean deli meat for lunch and a salad and some lean protean for dinner. Every so often I still have a bagel and cream cheese or a slice of pizza but I don’t dig in for half a pie anymore. After a few months when you get hungry what you want is a peach not some chips. Your whole feeding process changes to a more healthy one.

The biggest think I can advise is that when you plateau and stop loosing, fast again for 2 or 3 days. It will kick start the weigh loss again. I guess to be responsible do this under your Dr.’s Supervision. My Dr. was so impressed in my results that he’s doing the same thing now.

I don't look at it like a diet. It's a mental thing but when I think of a diet, to me, it has a beginning and an end. I never even weighed myself until very recently. There was no need to know what I weighed on any particular date. I was just living my life and the pants kept getting looser. 12†so far.

Like you my goal is 200-220. I used to be very fit and I was 210 then but with the years I want to be realistic with my goals. I guess my body will tell me where it wants to be when I get there. If I can get to190 or less great but I’m not going to be the least bit disappointed in 220. I feel great most of the time and it is easier to exercise than in years.

Again, good luck. I think you will get lots of positive feedback here and that really helps.

John

PS if you want more details on what I'm doing PM me and I'd be glad to help in anyway I can.
 
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How come Charger hasn't added his two cents?

Kudos to all who lose weight, but some of these stories of what you guys ate leaves no wonder as to why you are heavy.

But good luck. BTW, I think running is great - if you aren't heavy, your knees can take it. Just go to a triathalon or marathon and look at all the old geezers.


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