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Originally posted by DonW28:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Boycotts will do absolutely nothing as hunters are too few in number. If every hunter didn't fly Delta, they would not notice it a bit. I've said it before, we are fighting a losing battle.
Cal

I hate to disagree but I fly Delta for business and hunting. They might not miss the two hunting trips a year but they would sure miss my business travel. I think they will miss the 2-3 guys I book on Delta with me on the business trips as well. They sure seem to kiss my ass a lot if my business means zilch to them. Tim Herald posted a photo the other day of 9 rifles coming off the Delta flight into Jo-burg. Figure no rental rifle hunters and 2 of the 9 flew business and the rest economy. 1/2 probably had a wife with them. Business class (2 hunters and 1 spouse) 3x8K=24K and (7 hunters and 3 spouses) 10X2K= 20k or roughly 44K. Figure a 4 month season (I know it is longer) so you have 120 days. Lets figure on 1/2 the # of hunters rather than the flight above. 120 x 22K = $2.6 million plus the lost freight. Add a few business trips to the mix for every hunter that flies for more than a single trip a year and they will care. I once got pissed at Delta and started flying American over a $50 baggage delivery charge they would not reimburse. When my receipts on American that I was mailing Delta went over $13K they sent me the 50 and a voucher for $500 with an apology. They care if you care. Say nothing and they won't either.

Regards,

Don

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Originally posted by blackdogsrule:
OK Mike. I respect your opinion. Do you plan to keep your holdings in these airlines? If so will you attend the stockholders meetings and voice your/our opinions on this arbitrary ban? It sounds like you have thrown in the towel to me. If not, what you recommend us as travelling hunters do? Keep patronizing the airlines that screwed us as if nothing happened. One f....ing guy killed a park lion so we should all just acquiese to the liberal media and anti hunters?

Not trying to start a fight but we need to stick together on this and fight. I find your posts insightful but please spare me the "battle is lost" surrender mentality when we are just now being engaged. Respectfully, Mark

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All big 5 trophy transport complains will generate the same form letter. After all the publicity the ban has generated that battle is lost.

Mike

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Originally posted by 163bc:

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All big 5 trophy transport complains will generate the same form letter. After all the publicity the ban has generated that battle is lost.

Mike

When the bullets start flying I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole w you. Give ground to your enemies and it will never stop.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://www.huntingreport.com/w...te.cfm?articleid=740



Air Canada Bans Big Five African Trophies on Flights

(posted August 07, 2015)

Air Canada has joined several US airlines in banning the shipment of Big Five trophies from Africa: lion, elephant, rhinoceros, leopard and buffalo. We notified subscribers of the bans by Delta, United and American Airlines in two Email Extra Bulletins earlier this week.

Air Canada's ban was originally reported in major media outlets in Canada, including CBC, on August 4, 2015. (See the CBC news report here.) Media relations personnel at Air Canada have refused to respond to The Hunting Report's requests for corroboration or clarification on various points. The US carriers have also failed to respond to specific questions regarding the ban, including whether they consulted with any regulatory bodies, such as US Fish & Wildlife, CITES and IUCN.

This latest "embargo" is part of a growing trend of airlines responding to pressure from emotive petitions on websites like change.org. The latest round of bans can be seen as a result of the sensational publicity following the killing of a collared lion in Zimbabwe, which added momentum to the petitions already underway.

Hunters who do not hunt in Africa and believe they are not affected by these developments should note that Air Canada has already taken heat from animal rightists in Canada, who are disappointed that the ban does not include shipment of domestic game trophies. Asked about this, the airline responded to BC's News 1130 by stating that the current ban was made "in response to an increase in illegal trade of wildlife." (See www.news1130.com/2015/08/06/sh...kills-within-canada).

We have questioned Air Canada, United, and others about why buffalo trophies are included in their shipping bans, despite there being no trade restrictions on African buffalo. So far we have received no response on this. It is safe to say that airline executives have not conducted any research or given much consideration to the effects these shipping bans will have on conservation funding and economies in Africa. Given the politically correct statements that have been made to the general press by the airlines, the bans appear to be public relations ploys in the light of recent controversy. The Hunting Report will continue to follow the situation closely and see how airlines react to pressure from the hunting community. Hunters who use these airlines and all who depend on hunting to pay for conservation and to feed their families, whether guides or workers in a factory making camouflage clothing, should contact these airlines and make your displeasure known! - Barbara Crown, Editor-in-Chief and Justin Jones, Assistant Editor

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Originally posted by thirdbite:
You can sue anyone I guess, but prevailing is another matter. What would be the cause of action? As far as I know, airlines have no requirement to haul cargo.

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Originally posted by thirdbite:
That might be what they should do, but it's hardly grounds for a successful lawsuit.

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Originally posted by thirdbite:
That might be what they should do, but it's hardly grounds for a successful lawsuit.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Delta is a $40 billion market cap company. They have enough petty change lying around and a legal department with outside lawyers to deal with frivolous lawsuits. DSC and sci have better things to do than engaging in frivolous litigation.

Delta United american have all decided after cecil that transporting big 5 is not worth the negative publicity. No one lit up empire state building with walter's trophy buffalo picture. Cecil and the publicity pretty much nailed big 5 trophy transport.

Before cecil sci and ar members were able to insure delta did not file the anti hunting petition. After cecil the public outcry fanned by social media changed delta policy. This change was done at highest corporate level.

All the letter writing will get is a form letter - all ar members have gotten the same one.

We need to be focused on where anti hunting groups are going next - transport of guns on international flights.

Mike

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the ignorant asses who run it...

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Originally posted by blackdogsrule:
Just wrote an email to Delta explaing how we prefer to use Delta to fly with firearms and dogs to all sporting locations-especially Africa but can no longer do so unless they rescind this emotional ban on shipping legally hunted trophies. I am a asky amiles member and use Delta whenever and wherever posiible. One person can't sway them but if we all right that is a good start.

Now if SCI, DSC and others who puport to speak for us and back us up we may get somewhere. I know one thing is certain-if we do nothing and say nothing we are doomed to lose.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by blackdogsrule:
Just wrote an email to Delta explaing how we prefer to use Delta to fly with firearms and dogs to all sporting locations-especially Africa but can no longer do so unless they rescind this emotional ban on shipping legally hunted trophies. I am a asky amiles member and use Delta whenever and wherever posiible. One person can't sway them but if we all right that is a good start.

Now if SCI, DSC and others who puport to speak for us and back us up we may get somewhere. I know one thing is certain-if we do nothing and say nothing we are doomed to lose.

Rather I think it requires a petition, lawyer, and politician to raise the issue of discrimination.

A statement from an African Government would also help and they can claim loss of Tourism revenues and attempted economic sabotage.

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by blackdogsrule:
Just wrote an email to Delta explaing how we prefer to use Delta to fly with firearms and dogs to all sporting locations-especially Africa but can no longer do so unless they rescind this emotional ban on shipping legally hunted trophies. I am a asky amiles member and use Delta whenever and wherever posiible. One person can't sway them but if we all right that is a good start.

Now if SCI, DSC and others who puport to speak for us and back us up we may get somewhere. I know one thing is certain-if we do nothing and say nothing we are doomed to lose.

Rather I think it requires a petition, lawyer, and politician to raise the issue of discrimination.

A statement from an African Government would also help and they can claim loss of Tourism revenues and attempted economic sabotage.

Andrew may be on to something. In this day and age where corporations seem terrified of their own shadows, officials from a few African nations writing the airlines to complain about how this is harming their countries and people may be more effective than US based customers complaining. It also would help if everyone would commit to stop posting videos of hunts on social media, though that’d be difficult to get people to do. As a group, hunters are our own worst enemies when it comes to providing the Anti’s the ammunition with which they then shoot us.

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Given these hassles, transport costs, taxidermy, etc., my next trip I will only be bringing back photos and memories! Besides, I am out of wall space!