I hope I did not come across too negative. I would welcome this young man here for a visit, and find him a place in the bunkhouse. Heck, I'd even take him over to Cabela's to see the Elmer Keith exhibit. He's handgunner, so that would be a treat.

I just believe technology has gotten out of hand. It is rapidly replacing honing your hunting skills with "buy this or that and you will get your game..." stuff.

Hunting is supposed to be a test of your hunting skills not trying to find shortcuts to make it easier.

Just me

Rich

Nganga: 223lbs, I'm on a diet!

Eland Slayer, you are absolutely correct. You have to remember however, that while you and I come here to learn, others come here to dispense their pearls of wisdom. When you get two of these guys, and their pearls are not the same, then you have a pissing contest, which rapidly veers off course while they search for other areas that they disagree on. And, these guys have LOOONG memories. They will often post some thing like "Well in October 1997 you stated....". These two guys will degrade any thread you can think of. Just look at the Handgun Hunting forum and the "discussion" about Freedom Arms and BFR handguns. These protagonists just search each other out!
Then you have guys who are on a crusade: double guns should shoot parallel and not together; a prostituted version of Creighton Audette's load development method; banded bullets etc.
Then you have the personal vendettas always aimed at one person: Gerard Schultz (GS Custom) Butch Searcy etc.
Now of course, if someone posts an accuracy problem with a rifle, the first answer will probably be: "It's Obama's fault".
So the short answer is NO you cannot and will not change these people. Appeals to clean up language etc. just amuse them. They are probably like this at home! You will be accused of being a liberal. So, do what I do, ignore them! They are really not worth ruining your day over and a personality like that probably has nothing worth hearing anyway.
Good Luck, Peter.

Having been born old and grumpy I will defer to my elders. ES, I have changed my mind about many things in life-but it generally takes alot to do it. I must say I enjoy most of the "disputes" I have seen here,I can always turn off the comp--

quote:

Nganga: 223lbs, I'm on a diet!

Rich, Well done!!! 2 lbs.

Are you trying to fit into your Jag or something?

Steve

Eland Slayer: I would like to add a comment with a historical reference, because I was a TV reporter 18 years ago holding a microphone at that news briefing when Rodney King uttered that famous phrase.

My answer as a newsman back then is the same to you today. "No" GWB and a handful of the other old farts have properly explained it to you. But let me also try to give you some context to your valiant effort as to how it relates to hunting...and communications exchanges on this board, a continuous blog, known in today's world as "social media."

The fact that posters don't have to look at each other when they comment via their keyboard, gives them the incentive to go negative. That's just a fact of social media, an inherent outcome of this form of communication.

Sometimes it allows people to show their true colors, sometimes posters are just being buttheads and then you have guys like Rich/ISS.

I mention his name to get to my point. The debates and diversity of opinions are actually good for the safari hunting community. There is not a poster here who hasn't been met with some form of opposition, to something he/she has posted. No one except perhaps the legendary PH, Mr. Harry Selby has been immune to that. He's the only royalty in here.

But let me tell you something about this board. We are all united under the big tent of "HUNTING". If I was out of ammo and a charging buffalo was headed straight towards me, I know for a fact Rich/ISS would stand his ground and eliminate that threat. And watch what happens if there's a next time a PH gets mauled by a leopard. Who's the first group to come to his aid? And who's leading the movement hoping to ensure that Mark Sullivan gets due process?

It may seem like there's a lot of rancor in here. And at times there is. But this is also the first place you can turn to whenever you need a helping hand, whenever you need someone to watch your back and whenever you'd someone to make that insurance shot if your chamber is empty.

quote:

Originally posted by USAONE:

The more people I get to know, the more I love my dog!

Most everyone seems normal, until you get to know them.

This part of the forum is a lot more civil than, as previously stated, the Political Forum. And even there, the "flame wars" are pretty mild compared with what little I've read about the whole "blogosphere". I think the few, true trolls we've inherited over here is due to the fact they couldn't hack it in the real rough-and-tumble blog world.

I can only tolerate a few people and like even fewer as friends.

Nganga,

I had the car in at the dealership for new tires. The mechanic and service manager are friends, and we got to discussing the XKE's of the sixties transition into more of a GT than a hard edged sports car. I bought a 67 XKE coupe the year after I got out of the Army. Lemon Twist Yellow. Beautiful car. Anyway, they get their heads together and start laughing. Then they tell me to head over to the storage garage with them. There is a '69 convertible the same color. Needs a little work here and there, but is mechanically sound. Little snugger fit than summer of '72 and a 190lb me. They let me drive it, the magic was still there. The owner had it in for service, and wants to sell it to "A good home...". So, I'm dickering on it a little. Mamma says I have to get under 200 before I can have it. I'd cut off one leg, but it's a stick so I need both legs.

Rich

Come to DSC and the AR geathering on Friday nite but better yet Sat evening geathering. You will find out that many of us are not so bad in the flesh!

You can watch grown men cry over doubles, support a cause with a raffle like you have never seen before! The tough guys are cut to the quick.

ES: Just remember in this life we encounter far more horse's asses than horses! I'm 68 and would welcome you at my campfire any time!

Rich, what kind of bucks are they talking?
Peter.

Edited by Saeed

You have such an erudite, stylish way with words.

A quote from another writer: "Gratuitous use of profanity is the sign of a feeble intellect or lack of imagination, or both.". Mark Twain in case you didn't recognize it.

If I'm Eland Slayer, I am awfully glad to have men of your caliber siding with me.

Your mother would be so proud to read this thoughtful and insightful utterance.

regards,

Rich

Peter,

mid-thirties.

Rich

ES,
It's called "Keyboard Courage". Folks can get on their high horse and rip and tear but when you meet them in person, barely a one is actually an a-hole. I haven't met any AR member at Dallas, SCI, or a Big Bore shoot that I wouldn't gladly hunt with and that includes some who have left this forum because of all the BS they received. Bwana Moja probably said it best.
Good hunting to you.

Outdoor Writer, GREAT post! Funny I can handle.
Rich, that's pretty stiff. I can a buy an 05 or 06 XK or XKR for half that. Guess I am not into collecting but into driving! Thanks.
Peter.

I have deleted what Tony has quoted.

He was quoting what someone else has posted somewhere else on the forums, and I really do not want tyo see such language being posted on this forum.

There is absolutely no place for this sort of profanity here.

We do get kids visiting, and sometimes their parents like to show them the forums. I generally tell them to keep it to the this forom, because we try to keep the languade clean.

I would appreciate your co-operation.

dinsdale quoted what Tony had written, and I have removed this too.

Saeed

quote:

Originally posted by Peter:
Eland Slayer, you are absolutely correct. You have to remember however, that while you and I come here to learn, others come here to dispense their pearls of wisdom. When you get two of these guys, and their pearls are not the same, then you have a pissing contest, which rapidly veers off course while they search for other areas that they disagree on. And, these guys have LOOONG memories. They will often post some thing like "Well in October 1997 you stated....". These two guys will degrade any thread you can think of. Just look at the Handgun Hunting forum and the "discussion" about Freedom Arms and BFR handguns. These protagonists just search each other out!
Then you have guys who are on a crusade: double guns should shoot parallel and not together; a prostituted version of Creighton Audette's load development method; banded bullets etc.
Then you have the personal vendettas always aimed at one person: Gerard Schultz (GS Custom) Butch Searcy etc.
Now of course, if someone posts an accuracy problem with a rifle, the first answer will probably be: "It's Obama's fault".
So the short answer is NO you cannot and will not change these people. Appeals to clean up language etc. just amuse them. They are probably like this at home! You will be accused of being a liberal. So, do what I do, ignore them! They are really not worth ruining your day over and a personality like that probably has nothing worth hearing anyway.
Good Luck, Peter.

You mean it's not Obama's fault? I've clearly been mislead.....

Thank you Saeed. I enjoy the disputes but do often show the family things on this wonderful site. And what are we arguing about--oh yeah -Arguing this could be funny

SSR

Dear Eland Slayer:

I voted "don't care".

Civility is nice, but in the competitive market of ideas (I'm plagiarizing), sometimes emotions get in the way of scientific analysis.

Meaning all the "Mausers are too soft" crowd.

See why I voted "don't care"?

Seriously, I have learned a tremendous amount on this forum since July 2006, and plan to learn a lot more.

On the other hand, I hope my limited experience has aided some, too.

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

quote:

Originally posted by dinsdale:
I have deleted what Tony has quoted.

He was quoting what someone else has posted somewhere else on the forums, and I really do not want tyo see such language being posted on this forum.

There is absolutely no place for this sort of profanity here.

We do get kids visiting, and sometimes their parents like to show them the forums. I generally tell them to keep it to the this forom, because we try to keep the languade clean.

I would appreciate your co-operation.

dinsdale quoted what Tony had written, and I have removed this too.

Saeed

At least some folks got the point of my post. It was meant as a parody of sorts, an exaggeration of what often passes for discourse on this site. And yes, I used examples of language already allowed to go unchallenged here in many threads, including this one on pg. 1.

Just for the record, anyone is free to view all of my previous posts on this site, and they will quickly see that the worse language I've ever uttered would be the occasional "damn" or "hell." I need neither profanity, vulgarity or any other insults to carry on a discussion.

Dear Tony:

Damn, hell.

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

This post was edited to add Tony's reply to Saeed's post on the deletion of his and densdale's posts.

quote:

Originally posted by dinsdale:
I have deleted what Tony has quoted.

He was quoting what someone else has posted somewhere else on the forums, and I really do not want tyo see such language being posted on this forum.

There is absolutely no place for this sort of profanity here.

We do get kids visiting, and sometimes their parents like to show them the forums. I generally tell them to keep it to the this forom, because we try to keep the languade clean.

I would appreciate your co-operation.

dinsdale quoted what Tony had written, and I have removed this too.

Saeed

quote:

At least some folks got the point of my post. It was meant as a parody of sorts, an exaggeration of what often passes for discourse on this site. And yes, I used examples of language already allowed to go unchallenged here in many threads, including this one on pg. 1.

Just for the record, anyone is free to view all of my previous posts on this site, and they will quickly see that the worse language I've ever uttered would be the occasional "damn" or "hell." I need neither profanity, vulgarity or any other insults to carry on a discussion.


Tony Mandile

I abhor true profanity on the Internet as much as anyone. I have small grand children and great grand children who like to go along with me, and see the pictures of the animals, and some of the kids that are a little older like to read some of the posts here as well. That being said is there a real problem with the words you are cussing about?

The words DAMN, and HELL are not profanity, but simple dictionary words that have true meaning in the English language! Simply because a word is spelled with four letters doesn't make it profane.

I remember my grandmother telling me that when she was a child in the late 1800s the name if a male member of the bovine family was a word children were not allowed to hear, much less speak. The word was "BULL" which is a proper name for a male bovine. The word "Pregnant" was forbidden in mixed company, and replaced with EXPECTING.

I've been guilty of the use of what I even consider profane language just like every other person on Earth, but I try my best to watch where, and who's company I use such language, but "HELL", I'll be "DAMNED", if I see much wrong with dictionary words in print here! Of course I don't make the rules here either!

On that note, well damn it all to hell....

The answer is no.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The answer is no.

The answer is "NO" to WHAT?

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:

The words DAMN, and HELL are not profanity, but simple dictionary words that have true meaning in the English language! Simply because a word is spelled with four letters doesn't make it profane.

Totally agree, Mac, and the reason I sometimes use them. That's why I followed up with the comment about NOT needing profanity, vulgarity, etc., which do not include "hell" or "damn."

What I do find somewhat amusing, though, is the use of an asterick or other character often used for a letter or two in a vulgar term that is seemingly meant to make it less offensive. If the word isn't proper decorum in its entirety, then it isn't proper decorum period, regardless how it's camouflaged.

It's not in man's nature to get along with everybody. We generally get along with those who share our views. However, I wonder what would happen if the petty name calling were actually done face to face rather than on an internet forum and the safety of one's home and "handle". I suspect that the peril involved would really temper the conversation and civility would prevail.

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The answer is no.

The answer is "NO" to WHAT?

"Can't we all just get along?????"

Of course not. It would be a much better forum, (and world!), if you all agreed with me all the time. It might, however, be a little boring for some.

So, we can agree to disagree. The question now is, how passionately can we do so, and are we agreed on Marquis of Queensbury Rules, or Jungle Law?

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by boltshooter:

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The answer is no.

The answer is "NO" to WHAT?

"Can't we all just get along?????"

If you read my initial post.....that was never asked. That was simply the title to catch everyone's attention. My question was, more or less, "who else is tired of reading childish crap on this forum?".....to which the answer has been an overwhelming YES, according to the poll results.

The site sheriffs and their posses got so bad a few years back Saeed banned them, most went to 24hour and/or Nitro where they continue their petty nonsense of bolstering their own egos only to return under an alias to sling some insults then like a coward return to their holes.

quote:

quote:
Originally posted by eezridr:
Easy to be a alpha on the internet.In person??
Most mature alhpa personalities have the self confidence not to berate others.



quote:
Originally posted by ravenr:
put a bunch of alpha males in a room
and sooner or later there's gonna be a dog fight
fact of life.....


Very well said!

True. But just add heavy drinking and all bets are off.

I used to be in a deer camp by the Mississippi River..down in Arkansas. They had this rule...no poker playing in the clubhouse...it was cuz of what once happened..

ES,
I don't really think the foodfights start out intentionally. I think somebody says something, somebody takes exception and the first punch is thrown. Somebody else feels the need to get the last word in and.......well, there ya go.

Take my previous incarnation, I was a troll of sorts. Just looking for somebodies eye to poke to illicit a desired response. It was I guess entertainment (for me).

In my current life...I use this forum as was intended, passing along my experience and learning form others and having a laugh or two along the way. Guys I used to aim for, I've made peace with and am actually looking forward to meeting at some point.

My point I guess is, take it for what it is, I've figured out on my own who the real resources are and who the bloviators are.

Steve

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Nganga,

I bought a 67 XKE coupe the year after I got out of the Army. Lemon Twist Yellow. Beautiful car.

Rich

Rich, I found it interesting you mentioned "Lemon twist yellow". I'm a Mopar guy and Lemon Twist is a Mopar color as well. So I looked up Jag colors and only find "Pale Primrose" as a "yellow" for those years.
Jag colors

Frostbit,
You Mopar fanatics are all looney as well.

What rankles me is when someone posts a response to a post that they don't agree with and all they do is call the other poster a name, and unfortunately too often it is a filthy name. This type of poster seldom if ever adds anything to the discussion. I think I would support banning some of them. Most that I have seen have been on the political forum. It is so bad there that I seldom even bother to go there.

A few others on this forum resort to name calling. I suspect it is due to frustration but that also doesn't add anything to the discussion. We have lost a couple of valuable members because of it.

465H&H

Frostbit,

the color chart says you are correct. I bought my coupe via private party, and that was what he told me. All these years...
The gentleman with this one for sale said the same thing "Lemon Twist Yellow".

learn something every day...

Rich

Hmmmmm....ISS the crusty, tough old guy on AR in a lemon twist car???? sounds rather pastel to me.



Steve