It will be interesting to see what the outfitters have to say.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
It will be interesting to see what the outfitters have to say.

I bet the criminal minded locals are jumping up and down shouting WE GOT FOREIGNERS TO ROB!

Travel to Atlanta or Travel to Nashville or New Orleans. Sorry, theirs not shit to do in Atlanta. If I am going to travel its Nashville or New Orleans, better evening entertainment.

I find it hard to believe that Ft Worth, Houston (which HSC left) or San Antonio were not available or did not have a large enough floor space. San Antonio has 1.6 Million feet of space total, of course the airport is a piece of crap.

If you want some entertaining reading, read all the Facebook comments on this matter

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Jerry World is the big Stadium, center that Jerry Jones who owns the Dallas Cowboy’s got built.

Stadium is not a sufficient description.

Jerry Jones Death Star in Arlington

It also appears that San Antonio, Fort Worth and Houston are all rebuilding convention centers as well.
The space requirements and scheduling limited choices to a couple of cities.

Believe it or not, most cities cannot handle a show of this size.

DSC had no choice but to move the show. The Kay Bailey center will be demolished.

Dallas has other venues but they are not or were not available for the timing of this show.

Further, you need a state that allow guns to be shown and sold at the show. That limits a number of states and cities.

Off the list - All west states, all states with low populations, all northeast states, OK, KS, CO, WY, MT, MO, ILL, IND, Kentucky, OH, WV, VA, SC, MISS, LA, NM, WI, MINN, MICH, DEL, ID, ND, SD.

On the list - GA, FL, TX, NV

So, with limited options, I suspect this was the least of evils.

Anyway, it is a good organization and run well. They will need support.

PS- We can bus the criminals to Dubai and let Saeed handle them....

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Originally posted by dogcat:
It also appears that San Antonio, Fort Worth and Houston are all rebuilding convention centers as well.
The space requirements and scheduling limited choices to a couple of cities.

Believe it or not, most cities cannot handle a show of this size.

DSC had no choice but to move the show. The Kay Bailey center will be demolished.

Dallas has other venues but they are not or were not available for the timing of this show.

Further, you need a state that allow guns to be shown and sold at the show. That limits a number of states and cities.

Off the list - All west states, all states with low populations, all northeast states, OK, KS, CO, WY, MT, MO, ILL, IND, Kentucky, OH, WV, VA, SC, MISS, LA, NM, WI, MINN, MICH, DEL, ID, ND, SD.

On the list - GA, FL, TX, NV

So, with limited options, I suspect this was the least of evils.

Anyway, it is a good organization and run well. They will need support.

PS- We can bus the criminals to Dubai and let Saeed handle them....

And you will never see them again!

Sounds like they could have gone to Reno.

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Further, you need a state that allow guns to be shown and sold at the show. That limits a number of states and cities.

Off the list - All west states, all states with low populations, all northeast states, OK, KS, CO, WY, MT, MO, ILL, IND, Kentucky, OH, WV, VA, SC, MISS, LA, NM, WI, MINN, MICH, DEL, ID, ND, SD.

On the list - GA, FL, TX, NV

If memory serves, City of Dallas policy doesn’t allow firearms sales at City owned facilities, Georgia World Center doesn’t allow firearm sales, either, according to their policy manual.

Heaven forbid they would have even considered Reno or Las Vegas. I might have tried DSC if they had made that decision. Tons of convention center space in Nevada. Most exhibitors have spent time at the SCI Convention in Nevada and have familiarity and past contacts with storage of their exhibits, great weather, world class food, entertainment and rooms, great airport, etc.. Let the bitching, moaning and whining now begin anew about Nevada. . . . .

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Originally posted by dogcat:
It also appears that San Antonio, Fort Worth and Houston are all rebuilding convention centers as well.
The space requirements and scheduling limited choices to a couple of cities.

Believe it or not, most cities cannot handle a show of this size.

DSC had no choice but to move the show. The Kay Bailey center will be demolished.

Dallas has other venues but they are not or were not available for the timing of this show.

Further, you need a state that allow guns to be shown and sold at the show. That limits a number of states and cities.

Off the list - All west states, all states with low populations, all northeast states, OK, KS, CO, WY, MT, MO, ILL, IND, Kentucky, OH, WV, VA, SC, MISS, LA, NM, WI, MINN, MICH, DEL, ID, ND, SD.

On the list - GA, FL, TX, NV

So, with limited options, I suspect this was the least of evils.

Anyway, it is a good organization and run well. They will need support.

PS- We can bus the criminals to Dubai and let Saeed handle them....

Not sure what they are rebuilding in San Antonio and they just finished a couple of years ago an additional 750,000 SF, and a remodeling of some other space for a total of 1.6 million SF of convention space. The Grand Hyatt has lots of ballroom space for banquets. Now if it was available for the dates DSC wanted thats another story. And lots on Convention hotel rooms.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Heaven forbid they would have even considered Reno or Las Vegas. I might have tried DSC if they had made that decision. Tons of convention center space in Nevada. Most exhibitors have spent time at the SCI Convention in Nevada and have familiarity and past contacts with storage of their exhibits, great weather, world class food, entertainment and rooms, great airport, etc.. Let the bitching, moaning and whining now begin anew about Nevada. . . . .

Try pulling a trailer load with booth supplies over Donner pass in January. At least the people in Reno welcome the exhibitors. In Vegas everyone has their hand out and could give a shit less about the convention.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Kathi:
llamapacker,

2025 Jan 9-12

2026 Jan 8-11

2027 Jan 7-10

2028 Jan 6-9

2029 Jan 11-14

And I thought all the early Jan. dates for DSC were due to the Kay Bailey Hutchinson convention center's prebooked schedule. Looks like Atlanta has the same issue?

Just think, if the Houston Safari Club has an issue with their convention center being torn down and rebuilt, HSC could hold their convention in Miami or something similar.

This makes Zero sense to me to move it to Atlanta for 5 years.

SMDH

+1

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I bet the criminal minded locals are jumping up and down shouting WE GOT FOREIGNERS TO ROB!

Unfortunately all the cities with large enough convention centers have this same issue. In some (Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles) the criminals might get a reward for robbing / harassing / killing hunters.

I have given this matter a lot of thought. First let me say this matter poses DSC a dilemma. The old center is being torn down and a new one built . There isn’t a thing in the world they can do about that .

A few thought and comments:

1-Having been involved in conventions of certain professional organizations, I can tell you all that it is not easy to get the dates you want for a 5 year period unless one starts looking years in advance . It would be pure luck to get one year much less five years . Those who think this can be done with a phone call are simply wrong .

In this case it is further complicated by construction at most major venues in TX.

Did they start looking early enough ? I have no idea. Are other suitable venues available in TX? I have no idea.

2- What happens if the new venue is not done in 5 years ? Seems to me that is a major POTENTIAL problem.

3- There is little doubt the volunteers perform a valuable service . Will these people still volunteer in GA? No idea. If they have to pay their own way , that might be an issue .

4-I understand the concerns of those who will now have to travel to the show. Personally, I am not overly sympathetic to this issue . I have always had to travel to the show whether it be DSC or one of the others.

5- How will the exhibitors respond? Time will tell. I spoke with a couple today who had no idea this had happened. Of course , they were in the bush.

We plan on going at this point . I hope it all works out. Time will tell.

All valid points, Larry.

My sense is that this will not go down in the club’s annals as a good decision.

But time will tell, as it always does.

I would think San Antonio’s airport makes it a less desirable choice. Doesn’t matter now, it would appear Texas was no longer a consideration.

I did a little amatuer checking and found that there was not another venue in Texas that would suit the needs.

The best option was Atlanta or Las Vegas. Las Vegas may have had scheduling issues. I also heard from a volunteer that ATL was aggressive in wanting the show for 5 years. Las Vegas is aggressive about getting your money.

Volunteers will be an issue, but I suspect that DSC (no confirmation) will roll out the red carpet to get the needed volunteers to ATL.

Anyway, what is done is done and we hopefully can continue to support DSC.

I wonder if Atlanta is unionized.

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Originally posted by MJines:
DSC has been good in the past about soliciting member views on issues. In fact, if I recall correctly, they just recently did a brief survey about attendance at the last convention. Would have been nice had they asked members that attend the convention for some input to help shape and explore possible options. For example, there is no option available for Fort Worth, San Antonio, Houston? What about slightly downsized options in Dallas at other venues? I guess we will see how this plays out for DSC but hard for me to imagine that the DSC convention emerges as strong as it is currently. For many folks, I think the choice will now be to either not attend any convention or, if you have to travel considerable distance, incur significant expense, etc., why not just go to the larger SCI convention?

Spot on Mike. As a life member, this came as a complete shock. Haven't missed a convention in 13 years, but looks like that streak has come to an end. Have never attended SCI, but if I have to fly now, about time to check out that convention. Can't believe there wasn't another viable venue between the greater DFW, Houston or San Antonio areas ....

As with all changes in life. Things go on. And DSC is moving forward as any business would. Just because you were not consulted, should not hurt your importance in the organization.

At this point, there will always be some complaints both positive and negative.

This will allow DSC the opportunity to reach other individuals through advertising to fill the convention.

At this point it is too early for me to say yes or no on attending. My attendance is like every other year, plus taking in some closer sportsmen banquets.

Location and safety are high on everyones list when attending major conventions. Motel/hotels and transportation to the conventions site. Banquet locations are always something to be considered and the ease of attending them.

Bottom line, this move will not stop me from being a DSC member.

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Originally posted by Bwana338:
As with all changes in life. Things go on. And DSC is moving forward as any business would. Just because you were not consulted, should not hurt your importance in the organization.

At this point, there will always be some complaints both positive and negative.

This will allow DSC the opportunity to reach other individuals through advertising to fill the convention.

At this point it is too early for me to say yes or no on attending. My attendance is like every other year, plus taking in some closer sportsmen banquets.

Location and safety are high on everyones list when attending major conventions. Motel/hotels and transportation to the conventions site. Banquet locations are always something to be considered and the ease of attending them.

Bottom line, this move will not stop me from being a DSC member.

We all have seen how Dallas Safari Club has transitioned to just DSC. Yes, that has been a way of expanding reach. The website has always been biggame.org. Expanding reach is always positive, as long as done the right way. I don’t feel “hey everyone, get ready to pack your crap as we are leaving our home base of 40 years!” Is quite the way to do it.

Will it be an inconvenience for me? Yes, I’m only a few miles from the KBH CC. It will be interesting to know who and how many in current and past leadership were involved in this decision.

The outfitter I work with has been a donor for over 20 years. We have hosted many ex presidents and board members. We will be loyal (submissive), as the fear of getting bent over in the future is a real fear. It does also make the SCI convention look attractive. HSC going back to Woodlands is back on the table, as GRB in downtown Houston was like a diet version of Atlanta, Chicago, and Detroit.

Oh, where is the Texas Cheerleader convention headed, Miami? It’s normally during, or adjacent to DSC.

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Originally posted by DCS Member:

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Originally posted by Bwana338:
As with all changes in life. Things go on. And DSC is moving forward as any business would. Just because you were not consulted, should not hurt your importance in the organization.

At this point, there will always be some complaints both positive and negative.

This will allow DSC the opportunity to reach other individuals through advertising to fill the convention.

At this point it is too early for me to say yes or no on attending. My attendance is like every other year, plus taking in some closer sportsmen banquets.

Location and safety are high on everyones list when attending major conventions. Motel/hotels and transportation to the conventions site. Banquet locations are always something to be considered and the ease of attending them.

Bottom line, this move will not stop me from being a DSC member.

We all have seen how Dallas Safari Club has transitioned to just DSC. Yes, that has been a way of expanding reach. The website has always been biggame.org. Expanding reach is always positive, as long as done the right way. I don’t feel “hey everyone, get ready to pack your crap as we are leaving our home base of 40 years!” Is quite the way to do it.

Will it be an inconvenience for me? Yes, I’m only a few miles from the KBH CC. It will be interesting to know who and how many in current and past leadership were involved in this decision.

The outfitter I work with has been a donor for over 20 years. We have hosted many ex presidents and board members. We will be loyal (submissive), as the fear of getting bent over in the future is a real fear. It does also make the SCI convention look attractive. HSC going back to Woodlands is back on the table, as GRB in downtown Houston was like a diet version of Atlanta, Chicago, and Detroit.

Oh, where is the Texas Cheerleader convention headed, Miami? It’s normally during, or adjacent to DSC.

I agree the communication could have been a lot better.

Weatherby Foundation Annual Gala
moves to ATLANTA
with Dallas Safari Club from 2025-2029

As you may have heard, Dallas Safari Club announced this week that they are moving their annual Convention away from Dallas for five years beginning in 2025. The City of Dallas has announced a multi-year plan to demolish and rebuild the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, which necessitated finding a new home for the January events. DSC posted a video announcement with all the details, which you can watch HERE. Weatherby Foundation President Peter Larsen said "We are looking forward to having another challenge in life that we can conquer, and know that Atlanta will be a good home for us until we can return to Dallas."

Before deciding on Atlanta as the temporary home for their Convention, DSC announced they had completed a comprehensive review of 32 locations, spanning Texas as well as the United States. Their intense search and evaluation took into consideration convention center facilities, hotels, amenities, international airport access, as well as regional outdoor lifestyle demographics.

Please note that previously announced dates for future Weatherby Galas (and for DSC's Conventions) will not change.

So make sure to get your tickets and book your hotel room for the last Weatherby Gala in Dallas for a few years! The link for more information on the 2024 event - both tickets and hotel rooms - is found HERE. For those wishing to book by phone, please contact Kameron Bybee at 480.648.7607 or kameron@weatherbyfoundation.com.

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We will be loyal (submissive), as the fear of getting bent over in the future is a real fear.

DSC has no reason to concern themselves with adding value to their customers or loyalty and consideration to their membership as long as they have cucks like you.

Here is the real reason:

https://www.ktbs.com/news/i-20...1e-57293ed3c613.html

Raúl service from Dallas to Atlanta to begin in 2026.

Hahaha!

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
Here is the real reason:

https://www.ktbs.com/news/i-20...1e-57293ed3c613.html

Raúl service from Dallas to Atlanta to begin in 2026.

Hahaha!

Don't bet on it. Texans hate trains, like pick ups....

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I wonder if Atlanta is unionized.

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DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

That attitude will see the organization never have the influence it needs to have.

To quote TE Lawrence from the film, “A little people.”

I bet most hunters have never heard of Houston Safari Club another Texas born and bred organization. However, RMEF and Ducks Unlimited are much better known not restricting themselves to a state.

The inability to reach beyond the “Texas Base” is why Hunting Conservation of elephant and lion has such a negative view with hunters.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

That attitude will see the organization never have the influence it needs to have.

To quote TE Lawrence from the film, “A little people.”

I bet most hunters have never heard of Houston Safari Club another Texas born and bred organization. However, RMEF and Ducks Unlimited are much better known not restricting themselves to a state.

The inability to reach beyond the “Texas Base” is why Hunting Conservation of elephant and lion has such a negative view with hunters.

There is a huge difference. DSC and HSC both split from SCI at the same time, just over 40 years ago. HSC is a good organization and we will attend again now they return to The Woodlands. The HSC convention is decades behind DSC in size and attendance. I’m not saying that’s bad, but both were established at the same time.

The mission charter of both is the same. I am looking forward to HSC 2024.

As both are established at the same time, the lack you describe is my point.

I doubt the the Outdoor Channel, Tracks Across Africa connection DSC would have as much exposure it has with the above attitude.

This is the reason US Fish and Wild rolled its eyes at DSC doing the right thing on lion age, and wanted SCI on board to keep from up listening Lion.

The influence simply is not there. That is a problem leaving SCI as the real player for better and worse.

Keep the Texas only mentality, and become less and less.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

That is just inaccurate. Houston has hosted the NRA convention at least once maybe twice. San Antonio also has sufficient space. I know that both Houston and San Antonio were considered as alternative sites. Dates may have been an issue with San Antonio. Not sure why Houston was eliminated as an option.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
As both are established at the same time, the lack you describe is my point.

I doubt the the Outdoor Channel, Tracks Across Africa connection DSC would have as much exposure it has with the above attitude.

This is the reason US Fish and Wild rolled its eyes at DSC doing the right thing on lion age, and wanted SCI on board to keep from up listening Lion.

The influence simply is not there. That is a problem leaving SCI as the real player for better and worse.

Keep the Texas only mentality, and become less and less.

I think you misunderstood, or misread. I am not saying it should be Texas only. If you’re a member of DSC, I’m sure you’re aware of the chapter system. Chapters of DSC have been established throughout the USA, DSC Northeast, which may be the furthest from Dallas, but there are many in various locales throughout the USA.

How did USFW roll its eyes at the DSC lion efforts? Two AR members were deeply involved in the science to promote the taking of older, past breeding age of male lions. SCI May have piggybacked on that effort. Please let me know how the eyes rolled.

As far as the media/TV programming, I can assure you that is not a cheap endeavor, and not just a “connection.” The different shows sponsored, produced, or promoted by DSC definitely outnumbers those promoted by the “first for hunters” group. I’m not knocking SCI, as I’ve been a member for a bit.

My problem is the lack of transparency to the members. If you’re a member, I’m sure you know just about anything significant has been left up to the members to vote. Maybe the new slate of directors has already been selected, but we can at least vote “yea/nay.”

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

That is just inaccurate. Houston has hosted the NRA convention at least once maybe twice. San Antonio also has sufficient space. I know that both Houston and San Antonio were considered as alternative sites. Dates may have been an issue with San Antonio. Not sure why Houston was eliminated as an option.

I thought someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the Houston Con Center was being renovated during those dates.

Unless something changes, GRB Will be in operation at current capacity or more in 2025. Someone said that HOU and SA were considered and not an option. Perhaps DSC could expand on that for its loyal Texas following, why?

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Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by 470EDDY:
DSC is TEXAS born and based... should remain there!!
I love the BBQ in Austin and San Antonio... I vote for BBQ!!

Even with no convention centers in state to handle a convention this size?

That is just inaccurate. Houston has hosted the NRA convention at least once maybe twice. San Antonio also has sufficient space. I know that both Houston and San Antonio were considered as alternative sites. Dates may have been an issue with San Antonio. Not sure why Houston was eliminated as an option.

Dates would have had to be the reason, I hope, but of course nothing told to the membership, just a management decision, trust us we considered everywhere. San Antonio has 1.6 Million Sf of space, more then enough for DSC and lots of hotel space within a few blocks of the center. Now the airport is a problem, but Austin is 70 miles away and BA and Lufthansa both serve Austin Direct. And of course you can also change planes at DFW or IAH to SAT. Air travel can be worked around.

I will be in Dallas this January, if finished with deer season, but no plans of flying to ATL for a hunting show with nothing to do in the evenings. SCI in Nashville and New Orleans is looking good.

All of the above doesn't take into consider Reliant Center either, a huge facility that is nicer (imho) than GRB

I think that the City of Dallas dropped the ball in letting customers (DSC) know that they were looking at closing the convention center and rebuilding it. The city of Dallas should have provided different options to DSC to be considered in the greater Dallas/Ft. Worth area. The loss of the conventions is somewhat of a financial loss to the area.

Also, getting the correct dates for a convention is years in the planning process. So DSC should have been looking earlier for having the convention lease renewed. That is something that should have been looked at yearly, and DSC not waiting until the lease expires.

And maybe the DSC convention is not the kind of business that the city of Dallas wants to have in their convention locations. Dallas is a liberal area in the state of Texas.