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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRwVMCvdTiY Announcement video. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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This letter and video announcement are sent to share with you that DSC is moving our annual Convention away from Dallas for a few years beginning in 2025. The City of Dallas recently announced a multi-year plan to demolish and rebuild the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, the site of our event for the last 14 years. While there is excitement about what will be a state-of-the-art facility here in Dallas, this massive project requires DSC to find a new home for our Convention for the years 2025-2029, until construction is complete. After a comprehensive review of 32 locations, spanning Texas and across the US, we are excited to announce that the 2025-2029 DSC Conventions will be held in Atlanta, GA at the Georgia World Congress Center. Our intense search and evaluation took into consideration convention center facilities, hotels, amenities, and international airport access, as well as regional outdoor lifestyle demographics. We are extremely confident that the Georgia World Congress Center will be the premier site to deliver successful DSC Conventions to come! Dates for the DSC Conventions in Atlanta will not change from those previously published, and we are certain as a valued partner, you will continue to enjoy the southern hospitality, which has long been a hallmark of the DSC Convention. Atlanta representatives will be on hand at the 2024 Convention in Dallas to provide a wealth of information about the convention center, the city, and their commitment to assisting DSC in delivering a world class experience. In addition to the annual Conventions to be held in Atlanta from 2025-2029, DSC is excited to announce that in 2025 we will begin hosting a second convention in Dallas each summer. Aligned with the DSC Foundation Gala, this Expo will feature many of our valued Exhibitor Partners, include evening events, and culminate with the annual DSC Foundation Gala on Saturday night. While Dallas will always be home and we are very excited about the future of the new Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, DSC looks forward to the opportunity to take the greatest hunting and conservation show on the road for a few years. We cannot wait to see you in Dallas January 11-14, 2024, and encourage you to please make plans to join us in Atlanta beginning in 2025! Sincerely, Brian Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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I guess I'll not be attending for those 5 years. | |||
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Why? Dallas is right in the center of the country and easy to get to. Have they outgrown the convention center? STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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I'd move to Houston or San Antonio. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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I guess I'm going to be the only one here excited about that. Given Atlanta is only a 3.5 hour drive from home, I know I'll be driving down. | |||
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Why it’s moving is because the KBH Convention Center is being replaced, thinking it will be complete in 4-5 years is likely a dream. Demolition is estimated to take almost two years, that only leaves 2-3 years to complete construction, can’t see that happening. Why Atlanta was chosen might have something to do with easy access to direct flights from South Africa, lots of hunters in that area (and that might be a good thing since I doubt the majority of people from Texas that attended in Dallas will be willing to fly to Atlanta for a convention. Especially those that could drive a couple of hours to a show in Dallas). On the other hand, the convention center is not in a good part of town, pretty high crime area according to crime stats, that’s not a good thing. I guess we will see how it goes, we won’t be attending. Karl Evans | |||
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DSC has been good in the past about soliciting member views on issues. In fact, if I recall correctly, they just recently did a brief survey about attendance at the last convention. Would have been nice had they asked members that attend the convention for some input to help shape and explore possible options. For example, there is no option available for Fort Worth, San Antonio, Houston? What about slightly downsized options in Dallas at other venues? I guess we will see how this plays out for DSC but hard for me to imagine that the DSC convention emerges as strong as it is currently. For many folks, I think the choice will now be to either not attend any convention or, if you have to travel considerable distance, incur significant expense, etc., why not just go to the larger SCI convention? Mike | |||
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Boy if there is a way to shoot yourself in the foot DSC has done a pretty good job of it. With all of the major suburbs around Dallas, plus Fort Worth, or even Waco I have no clue whose idea it was to change to an out-of-state location. As Mike said, even a smaller venue would be preferable. Or maybe SCI did so well in Nashville, Dallas thought they would follow suit. Regardless, if I have to fly somewhere I might as well go to Nashville and take in the mother show. DSC's Bud Light moment... On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Dallas is the fifth largest metropolitan area in the US. Sort of amazing/hard for me to believe that they would shut down their convention business for five years without having some fall back plan using alternative facilities in the interim. Mike | |||
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SCI did wonderfully coming East. So will DSC. There is more to the works than Texas. In fact, I bit the bullet and joined SCI just because they came Wast First. This is a good move by DSC. | |||
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What other venues are big enough in the DFW area? If the convention downsizes it means fewer exhibitors which means lower revenue. Interesting that the only one’s complaining are from the DFW area… I think Karl is right as far as how long demolition and rebuilding the convention center is going to take. 4 years is a pipe dream.  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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I can understand they had to move somewhere. Atlanta? Crime has skyrocketed. My stepdaughter just moved back to Orlando from Atlanta because of the crime. Time will tell whether it works . | |||
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Atlanta is well positioned for large conventions, Delta Airlines hub, direct flights to South Africa, lots of hunters in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and Florida, and less hassle for the gun makers than some of the other cities with large convention centers. I have attended gun shows in some of the other DFW convention centers and I don't think they would be near large enough. Being about 30 miles north of the KBH I would prefer Dallas, but that isn't an option for now. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I feel confident this was a difficult decision for DSC leadership. It makes sense that Atlanta is a more convenient location for a lot of outfitters. On the other hand, I'm personally disappointed the convention has left Texas. I have to imagine that Texas hunters make up the plurality, if not the majority, of hunters booking trips at conventions such as this. I doubt many Texans will travel to Atlanta and in my case, I'll join SCI and travel to Nashville, New Orleans or Indy if I must for the next several years. I've always preferred SCI's model of requiring membership in an effort to cut down on the number of window shoppers that DSC is besieged by. | |||
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Don’t let the door hit you in the ass ASC. | |||
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I am not thrilled about the change, but understand the need for a new location, if only temporarily. (5 years hardly seems temporary, but it likely is...) All the same, we will travel to Atlanta. I don't like the vibe at SCI, and I expect DSC to keep the southern hospitality alive. Any idea on dates for 2025? I am expecting early January, but wouldn't mind if it was mid-month at the earliest. Bill | |||
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Ft Worth has 223613 of exhibit hall space, 58849 of breakout space and 109110 ballroom. I know the folks in Dallas hate the folks in Ft Worth and vice versa. But DSC could not put that aside for 5 years. San Antonio has 514000 of exhibit hall and a total of 1,600,000 space. Yes, San Antonio has a shitty Airport but Austin is only 70 miles away. I guess 2024 will be my last for a while. Nashville is looking good over Atlanta. | |||
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GRB and Reliant Center in Houston with 2 airports servicing all airlines. Some of the finest hotels in the nation and Restaurants that make DFW look like Taco Bell, but hey, make sure and send that revenue to Georgia. | |||
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llamapacker, 2025 Jan 9-12 2026 Jan 8-11 2027 Jan 7-10 2028 Jan 6-9 2029 Jan 11-14 Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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DSC have changed. Remember when the top brass were awarding themselves all sorts of silly things? Very sad to see. | |||
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They could have split up the location between domestic and non domestic vendors. Do Jerry world for the larger contingency and the new baseball stadium for the other. Between the floor space and the perimeter vending areas there would likely have been enough room. Just a walk from one stadium top the other. More to do over in that area in Arlington as well during the day. The area immediately surrounding Kay Bailey is a dud anyway. Food services available. More parking as well. Plenty of spaces to sit down and take a load off. | |||
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And I thought all the early Jan. dates for DSC were due to the Kay Bailey Hutchinson convention center's prebooked schedule. Looks like Atlanta has the same issue? Just think, if the Houston Safari Club has an issue with their convention center being torn down and rebuilt, HSC could hold their convention in Miami or something similar. This makes Zero sense to me to move it to Atlanta for 5 years. SMDH | |||
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ATL is the largest city and market in the South East. It is the center spoke for Delta, and major International Airport. Should do as well if not better than Nashville and SCI. Again, the draw East is there. SCI proved it w Nashville. The world is bigger than Texas. The NFL would never allow DSC at Jerry World. He might own it, but he would not want the Heat, nor could DSC afford what the price would be. | |||
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If they are in fact tearing down the old center , they had to move somewhere. I am not saying that Atlanta is a good place . Personally I am worried about the crime . Having a little knowledge about advance booking in convention centers, I have to wonder if their choices were limited ? | |||
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WTF is Jerry world?? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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Jerry World is the big Stadium, center that Jerry Jones who owns the Dallas Cowboy’s got built. Stadium is not a sufficient description. | |||
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I posted this on their Facebook announcement: I’m a lifetime DSC member and have never even bothered to go to the SCI convention. Now it looks like SCI is the convention I will be attending from 2025-2029. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I agree, Mike. The lack of transparency on this issue is very frustrating. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Would have picked San Antonio. Great city, lots to do and see. Could see one of the greatest shrine in Texas - THE Alamo. Houston already hosts the Houston Safari Club show. Reno sucks and I will not be at the Sheep Show as long as it is in a crappy, snowy, smoky hell hole. Nashville is ok, but SCI is there. Charlotte would have been interesting but is in an international airport. ATL has pluses and minuses. I'd would say - go, see what you think. DSC did not get where they are by being stupid and not planning. | |||
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The response on the DSC Facebook page is largely negative . | |||
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That is an understatement! Also noticed that they now identify as an “environmental conservation organization” and not a hunting club. Sad. Karl Evans | |||
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They said the same things when SCI moved to Nashville. And I’ll bet the majority of negative responses are from Texans…  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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That's because the majority of DALLAS Safari Club members are Texans. What if the Houston Safari Club's venue was to be remodeled and they moved the Houston Safari Club show to Miami for 5 years? Jerry World would have been a great venue to hold DSC ... if it could be secured. | |||
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I bet the majority of SCI is Texas. If you want to stay a Texas Organization, you will loose in the long run. Now, I would have liked an excuse to go to San Antonio. However, I have been asking for the shows to come East for over a decade. SCI did and was a great gate. DSC to stay a Texas only club is no benefit to anyone. Especially, no benefit to DSC as an organization either grows or dies. I cannot comment on the diners/banquets/awards/evening events of either show. However, the experience on the floor had been the same to me. DSC has wonderful people. SCI has good people. I have been treated well by both. Another discussion, but I believe we need to drop the whole Safari Club and trophy hunting from our lexicon. I use only the terms Conservation through Hunting or Hunting funded Conservation. | |||
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This whole move to Atlanta is distressing to me and many others who have given thousands and thousands of hours to DSC. I get the whole " KBH is being torn down so we have to move somewhere" thing. I was on the DSC board for 14 years including convention chair and President for two terms, so I really get it, this eventuality was discussed many times, but no really good solution was found, the move to Atlanta, is in my humble opinion, a slap in the face of those hundreds of volunteers who selflessly gave countless hours of their valuable time to make sure the DSC convention was a huge success. They can not be thanked enough and the continued success of Dallas safari Club was borne upon the backs of these volunteers. Regardless of what bullshit is put out, the success and growth of DSC is in completely due to the efforts of these everyday volunteers. That ain't going to happen in Atlanta. I am not on Facebook but my wife is and she showed me the many responses to the announcement, I'd say 90% were negative, the only"positive" responses were from those people that I would expect no less (and I noticed that DSC is no longer identified as a hunting club but as a "Environmental conservation organization",,,screw that. I've been told by a board member that the decision to move to Atlanta was not voted on by the Board...I will gladly publicly retract this statement upon being proven incorrect and honestly, I hope to be corrected, some FB post indicate this was a board decision (which brings up another discussion) but I can't verify. I have received 19 emails or WhatsApp messages about this from outfitters, 100% of them think this is an incredibly stupid decision. Personally, we store 4 outfitters booth equipment in our metal building from January to January and I deliver the equipment to the convention center and happy to do it. These guys are now faced with shipping charges from Dallas to Atlanta? I'll bet many decide not to show in Atlanta. This is crazy move in my and many others opinion. Atlanta is rife with crime, crime stats are easily checked online (look at the area around Georgia World), thousands of "regulars" will not (or can not pay to go to Atlanta), and those on here that compare this to the recent SCI show in Nashville are, to put it plainly...just wrong. The 2023 SCI show was the best convention we have ever attended (even though there were issues with exhibitor move in/move out, that will be corrected), and my wife and I were extremely proud of the DSC convention we chaired in 2013...this was a better show. In my opinion, and it has been my opinion for several years, DSC would have been better served to find a smaller location, eliminate some of the bullshit booths if necessary (cutting boards, Ginsu knives, etc., even some of the vacant association booths) to keep it "local". Apparently, that is not the path the new "environmental conservation organization" has chosen. Sorry for the the long post but that's how I see it. Karl Evans | |||
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Karl, Very well said. It will be interesting to get to the bottom of how the actual decision was made. I’m sure a lot of it will be money related. I also house the booth for M&M, but also house them. I know that’s a unique situation. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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[QUOTE[ Karl,Very well said. It will be interesting to get to the bottom of how the actual decision was made.[/QUOTE] Marcus, thank you, your opinion matters to me. Karl Evans | |||
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Money! Someone in DSC is making money out of it. When money takes over over principle, this is what happens! | |||
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I disagree. This will hurt DSC in the long run and they will become a smaller organization because of it. There are going to be a lot of people, like me, who have been attending DSC and only DSC since they started going to conventions. No way in hell am I going to pay to go to Atlanta for a second rate show in a high crime area. I am going to join SCI and attend their convention starting in 2025, given the tone of the responses to their announcement, I expect I am not the only person who will be doing so. DSC is going to lose its local base of avid hunters who go to the show only because it is local. They will make that up to a lesser extent in Atlanta, because what local Georgia boy is going to want to go to a DALLAS convention in Atlanta. (Possible name change in the future?). When they eventually move back to Dallas, I believe their more affluent base will be diminished as they will have now had five years to get indoctrinated into SCI. Finally, SCI can be completely mobile because they are not the Reno Safari Club or the Las Vegas Safari Club, they are Safari Club International which brings me back to my earlier question about a DSC name change. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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