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MacD37, You assume incorrectly. It is so that the vast majority of our bullets are fired from bolt rifles but that is the reality with all manufacturers. However, GSC makes the widest range of bullets, of any manufacturer, that are dedicated to double rifle calibers, obsolete and current. The CIP specification of a double is no different from that of a bolt rifle in any case. There are a number of parameters to be observed and pressure is one of them. So, especially when it comes to doubles, GSC knows how to care for these rifles and what is needed to make them shoot well. I have worked on and done load development on many doubles and know what makes them perform. Some misconceptions that are apparent: You assume that loading a GSC bullet against the rifling raises pressure. It does not. However, loading a double against the rifling is very difficult to do with a GSC drive band bullet. This makes double rifle loading with GSC drive band bullets safer again, compared to loading with conventional cup and core or grooved bullets. GSC does not recommend loading against the rifling but it is of no consequence if it is done. See the Load Data section of our website for the actual recommendation and do not be part of the word of mouth misinformation, as is presently the case. There is no gap in my knowledge regarding loading for doubles. Name the type of bullet and I shall have used it in a double. The current gap in your knowledge base is that of drive band bullets, their advantages and how they work. So, especially with doubles, our recommendation makes sense and needs no addition such as the one you suggested. Your recommendation is based on complete ignorance of how GSC drive band bullets work and it would behoove you to fill the gap. This discussion is not about opinion but about facts. You are more than welcome to contact me directly for technical information if you wish. gerard(at)gscustom.co.za | |||
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll shoot rocks in my guns, including my nice doubles before I'll shoot a GSC bullet. Not because they aren't well designed and don't perform well. By all accounts they do. But I refuse to do business with someone who speaks to his customers or potential customers in the manner that Gerard continues to do! I seriously doubt you'd find the fellows from CEB or North Fork behaving in this manner. | |||
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That is confusing. GSC can be called irresponsible and utterly foolish but when I present facts to set the record straight, you pull the "I won't do business with you" card. Where have I been disrespectful or rude now? MacD37 has a number of misconceptions and I have pointed them out. Are you not interested in something different and do you not wish me to point it out? Please enlighten me. | |||
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Gerard do you have a reading problem? Please show me where I said I would not do business with you, That's right you can't because I never said I would not do business with you! I also said you had the creds to speak for your bullets. What I did say is I will have nothing to do with TRAX! He is nothing but a trouble maker. Unless you and TRAX are the same person then you need to read a little closer! Let me say it again, I have not used your bullets only because they were so hard to get here, and that is the only reason. I do use North Fork bullets all three types the FPS, the CPS, and the soft point bullets in all my double rifles, and I understand how they work. in fact I have recommended your bullets to others who lived where they were readily available. In my doubles hbore riders have to actually have to be slowed down so as to regulate with the proper barrel time. I also understand that your bullets can be pushed faster with less pressure because of the less friction on the bore of the rifle. All I said is your starting load being max for your bolt rifle does not apply to the same bullet used in a double rifle, because they only operate properly at a certain speed. I see nothing derogatory toward your bullets in that statement, it is simply a fact where double rifles are concerned. I believe the bore rider type mono-metal bullets, including yours, are the only mono-metal bullets that are 100% safe to shoot in a vintage double rifle. I fail to see where I have disparaged your product in any way. I a last ditch effort to explain to you what I was responding to was something TRAX quoted from someone else, who simply said you stated flatly stated to start your bullets at max in load books, and with the bullets tight up against the rifling. That person did not quote your warning at all. I never saw your warning till you posted it here in RED. NOW! Gerard if that is not enough for you then I suppose you will simply have to live with it, because I am through trying to get through to you, and I will not even try with TRAX, because he is, IMO nothing but a TROLL! ..................................................................I'm through with this! PS: Gerard read the post just below this one and then tell me you read closely! You gave me credit for Todd's post below! Again you need to read a little better, and know who you are quoting! That being said Todd may be right with the quote posted below by Sean Russell! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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+1  "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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Mac37, why are you still talking & stalking Trax after saying you were totally through with Trax several months ago?? ... 
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MacD37 really needs to stop inventing false fictitious stories. I did not provide any incorrect third-hand information concerning the loading of GSC-HV bullets. in fact quite to the contrary; In my first post on this thread, one can plainly see that I refered directly to the GSC website. only a complete fool would have ignored that.
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Elephant with 900g solid-incredible penetration. This one recovered solid had traversed from right occiput to left zygoma   Leopard with the heavier .375 "Non-Con". One shot behind the shoulder and he was DRT. Heart and lungs were jelly, exit wound was caliber-size.  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Nowhere in my posts or on the GSC website, does it recommend people have the bullet 'tight' up against the lands. - So why are you talking such false and utter garbage? What is recommended is that one begin GscHV load development by having the bullet simply touching the lands. MacD37 really needs to brush up on his reading and comprehension skills. Him trying to discuss a subject based on his own False,fabricated & ficticious claims, is not helping any.
Anyone who buys GscHV bullets and goes to the corresponding GSC-HV loading data pages, will clearly see the Warnings. If one does not have GSC drive-band bullets, then they have no sensible reason to be using GscHV load development methods/guidelines. ONly a complete idiot would use load data & techniques from one bullet manufacturer and proceed to haphazardly apply it to any [or all] other brands & designs of bullet. I used hot .45cal loads in a FreedomArms-83, which should not be applied to weaker run of the mill .45 colt revolvers, on the same principle,GSC-HV loading techniques & data, should not be applied to any other brand or lesser design, of bullet. GScustomBullets, FreedomArms and Cor-Bon{makers of hot .45 colt rounds} all provide the appropriate & respective warnings. Whatever efforts fools & idiots then go to, to disregarding such clear warnings,..are then purely of their own volition.
Its easy to understand [for intelligent people] that Gerard was responding to Todd Williams post. As I said earlier, macD37 really needs to brush up on his reading and comprehension skills.
WTF?... where did Gerard give you credit for Todd Williams post?...No such thing happened. Gerard did however mention to Todd about MacD37s obvious deficiencies in his ability to properly understand GSC-HV bullet design. Since macD37 cannot understand simple straightforward posts,..and also erroneously imagines things about GscHV loading techniques, means He is also the ignorant type most likely to ignore or misunderstand, the clear HV related safety precautions outlined on the GSC website. | |||
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MacD37, Your comment about reading skills puts your remarks into context. It is a pity though that you flatly refuse to educate yourself about GSC methods of loading on the GSC website and ignore what other websites and forums have to say. However, I see that comprehension is a very real problem here. I cannot help that, it is something I cannot make provision for so I will no longer try. Sean Russell, Given that Todd Williams cannot point to anything that I said that is rude or disrespectful, maybe you can? In fact, is there anyone who can give constructive comment so that I may improve my bedside manner. CCMDoc, I know what you mean but many uninformed souls would not (MacD37 worries terribly about this). Lest someone starts searching for this very heavy bullet that weighs almost a kilogram, months from now (to quote MacD37), the right abbreviation for grains is gr not g. "If it is not factually correct, it will not be taken seriously by those who spot its errors. If it is not grammatically correct, it will not be understood. If it is not appropriate for its audience, it will be utterly useless." - JG Ferguson Please forgive me if I am too outspoken but going to facts directly is the shortest route I know. | |||
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TRAX.............
And your point is????? WTF is your point? Sounds like good, safe loading practices to me.... You are an idiot with absolutely no experience doing anything. I think you are going to have show your bonafides to me buddy! Since you cannot, as you have none, you will not. Who did you speak to at CEB? Name? When did you call? I don't believe you did........... On the Cutting Edge Website....... http://site.cuttingedgebullets...g_instructions_brass
For Copper Bullets Match Grade......... http://site.cuttingedgebullets...loading_instructions And for ANY other questions concerning specifics you can call Ken at CEB and he will assist you all the way....... Ken an experienced handloader himself for many years, and personal friend. And furthermore, I have shot 1000s upon top of 1000s of these bullets in everything from 223 to .620 caliber from ZERO DATA available, I have shot 1000s on top of thousands running them through actual pressure tests, terminals, and anything else you can think up. These are no big mystery to load for, approach with common sense as you would with any other bullet you load. With bearing surface low, 4 bands, you will get much less pressure with these than any common conventional bullet of the same weight..... I have proven data on this from pressure tests in every big bore caliber.......
You insulting, ignorant, POS C*nT You are about a Know Nothing M'F**K*R and no more than a troll looking to start BS on every thread you are on. And now I have had enough of your crap, POS. This loading crap you brought up is nothing but a distraction and to accomplish nothing but a stir and has nothing to do with the question posed by Ropati...... Which to remind folks is this.
Ropati... While I have never in my life used a 375 anything on anything at all, Sam and I tested the 230 ESP .375 in Sam's 375 B&M........ To give you Penetration Comparisons, 458 Lott 500 Softs at 2275 fps will penetrate from 19-24 inches, these include Partitions, Woodleigh, Swift A's, these are known conventional buffalo bullets. My rule of thumb, is that any bullet that will give at least 18 inches of penetration in my tests here, will qualify as a buffalo bullet. I hesitate to drop much below that 18 inch benchmark for buffalo. Penetration of the NonCons, Raptors.... can be judged by RSD... RETAINED SECTIONAL DENSITY of the blunt trauma or remaining bullet, which is like a broken beer bottle full caliber wadcutter. I can pretty well tell you that the 230 ESP Raptor will out penetrate most any conventional heavy for caliber .375 bullet. While I have not, and will not test .375 to the extent that I have nearly all other calibers, this will hold true for .375 as well as any other caliber.     So will the 230 ESP Raptor do in a buffalo? Of course it will. My recommend is use tipped only for first shot, them hammer the hell out of him with the same bullet used as a solid, do not stop shooting until your problem is solved. If I were going specifically after buffalo with a 375 anything, I would move up the scale to the 275 Safari Raptor, followed by the 300 BBW#13 Safari Solids, these are designed specifically for the purpose of buffalo and other heavies in .375 caliber. Best advice, get a bigger caliber.............. Keep in mind that the terminal performance of these bullets can be increased across the board with velocity. Dan and Ken at CEB have LOTS Of data on this particular 230 .375 ESP Raptor, because it has been tested to extremes in 375 HH..... I think they have even shot it to 600 + yards..... So there is a great deal of data on this.......... I don't have it, I won't have a 375 anything, even my own design, in my shop........... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Ropati - I know nothing about all of this technical loading stuff, that's Michael's area of expertise. But I have used the CEB's out of my .375 RUM to take several buffalo, leopard, and lion, and a couple of elephants with my .577 and .600, all with wonderful results. The guys at CEB are excellent to work with, and I have been especially impressed with the penetration of the CEB solids. Good Luck! | |||
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Gerard, Do you really believe the manner in which you address your potential customers is encouraging them to give your products a try? Your response to Doc is a perfect example of condescending a potential customer. I can point out at least 3 condescending statements to Mac that you made in this thread alone. What you seem to be missing is that there is a difference between a couple of guys debating the merits of a topic and trying to score the best "gotcha" and a guy (like yourself) who is representing a company (such as GS Custom Bullets) and attempting to give those who are following the discussion, especially those who have already made their preference to other brands, a reason to try your product. Salesmanship 101 ... don't address your customers in condescending ways but rather give them a reason to like you; give them a reason to want to do business with you; give them a reason to trust you! In other words, before you can sell your product, to a large extent, you have to sell yourself. Telling your potential customers to "get some misconceptions sorted in your head", "the current gap in your knowledge base", "Your recommendation is based on complete ignorance", and quoting JG Ferguson on the merits of proper grammar and fact when Doc simply left off the r in the abbreviation for grains, when you know very well what he meant, just doesn't inspire any of the positive attributes necessary to get someone to hand over their hard earned money in taking a chance on your product. Beyond that, I'm not sure why we are discussing GS bullets on an thread where the OP asked for real life experiences with CEB bullets! One thing I do know is that anyone who has questions about CEB bullets, when you call to speak with their representatives, they are more than happy to speak with you, will provide answers to the best of their abilities, and they'll treat you with the respect a potential customer deserves! That's probably one of the reasons the question about "real life experiences with CEB bullets" was asked in the first place, and not "real life experiences with GS Custom Bullets"!  See Gerard, there's a "gotcha" statement. But then, I'm not trying to sell you anything! | |||
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Todd, +1  And I do use both CEB and GS bullets. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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+2 Todd and like prof242, I use both as well. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I have only used CEB #13 solids on three elephant so I am no expert on them by any means. I found them very accurate in my double and penetration is what one wants to see in a Super Solid. 465H&H | |||
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*Loading GSC-HV/FN to the lands and using max. cupcore book loads as start load, is also a well tested and proven SAFE practice, recommended by GSC. So the point of my question concerning CEB was, to find out if they have MORE or LESS bore-resistance than some other multi-driveband brands. IF CEB raptors cannot be loaded in the same manner as GSC-HV/FN*, then I gather GSC-HV/FN have a lower bore resistance. As I stated before, not all multi-groove/multi-band bullets are the same, so its good for consumers to know the difference in them, before getting to caught up or distracted, by advertising hype. | |||
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Last time I asked the same question(see below), you did not really know the answer, but your response was much more civil. You also offered to do some testing, which I gather means CEB had not done such testing prior. Since Michael458 is not part of CEB in anyway, it would be unwise to accept his personal tests as trustfully or officially representative of any CEB bullet product.
Michael458, The forum & consumers should not be kept in the dark, They should be entitled to know which brand of multi-driveband bullet has lower bore resistance, [based on official tests conducted by or on behalf of the manufacturer] Based on the official pressure testing CEB has done; Q./can we safely load CEB in the same manner as GSC-HV/FN ....YES..or..NO? BY that I mean can one safely recommend one begin load development by placing a CEB against the lands and apply a powder charge equal to a published book maximum [same bullet weight] cupcore load. IF that cannot be done safely with CEB, then, It would seem that CEB are not as low-resistance as other brands. It is also bizarre that Michael458 would start personally abusing & swearing at someone, simply because one happen to ask a straightforward technical question about CEB. CEB are rather fortunate, that they don't have Michael458 as an official representative of their products. | |||
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Todd Williams, There are some things you have to accept. Firstly, I am not a salesman. Technical correctness is paramount for me and that is how I act. I do not see MacD37 as a potential customer. He does not even bother to inform himself of the differences between the various types of bullets but sees fit to call GSC utterly foolish and irresponsible. When you then start with loading rocks rather than GSC and, from my point of view, see only my directness and not his technical incorrectness, I see that as petty in the extreme. It is regrettable that only one side seems to be of importance to you and I apologise to those who feel that my manner is too direct and that I have dragged them into a discussion unnecessarily. To that end, my specific apology to CCMDoc for the g/gr correction. It was aimed at MacD37 and not at you, CCMDoc. Padding my opinion with honey is not the way I work and, if that is expected, it leaves me confused. I am expected to be polite in the extreme while others are not. I do not use foul language but others may. Others can have opinions based in fiction and are not taken to task, but when I correct the facts, I am taken to task. Language barriers and incorrect terminology is accepted but facts are not. Forget about how something is brought across, everyone does not speak English in the same way and we all do not have the same cultural background. Consider the content and understand the way it is brought across. It remains beyond my comprehension why corrected mistakes are bad and why anything else is accepted. However, when GSC is addressed, as in this thread, expect that I will reply. | |||
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unfortunately macD37 has bad habit of shooting off his mouth without any sensible,truthful knowledge of some products. macD37 also attempted to give the guy who builds Bolt-action doubles a bad wrap, by making false & derogatory/misleading claims about a product macD37 has never educated himself on, or experienced. Fortunately I have had direct experience with the BA-doubles in question, and macD37 got all upset, when I pointed out that his statements about such a product, were utterly false and incorrect. Hence, the fact that he started rashly criticising Gerard/GSC, without first having any proper knowledge on the product, does not at all surprise me. At the other extreme, I have attempted to gain more sound technical knowledge & understanding regarding the loading of CEB bullets and how well their..'low bore resistance'.. design works, and was met with severe [personally aimed] verbal attack & abuse, just for asking such a basic question. conclusion: CEB may be some modern form of hunting bullet, but people like michael458 remain rather primitive. | |||
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do you realize how utterly insane you sound? your involvement in these threads is not to add content but to muck up the thread. you have succeeded. how about contributing real world experience, unless of course you have none in which case perhaps you should play elsewhere Bob | |||
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maxenergy.............In response to Monkey TRAX!
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On that point, we agree 100%! | |||
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Thanks for the reply, Todd Williams. It is enlightening to me that you do not agree with the rest of the post. | |||
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Gerard, I understand this post was to Todd, but you have mentioned my screen name throughout the post! Gerard you have zero idea of what I'm informed about. It is true that I have never used one of your bullets,simply because they were hard to get here. Lets get one thing straight here! I have used about every other bore rider mono-metal bullet other than yours, and as I told you they all work about the same. I don't consider your bullets to be revolutionary over others of the same basic type. I have nothing bad to say about your bullets, simply because I haven't used them. I'm sure your bullets are top drawer, and I have recommended them to others many times based of the results friends have had with them. The comment about being irresponsible, was in regard to something TRAX quoted by someone else! Let me be clear I was not responding to TRAX, but the quote. In that quote there was no mention of your warnings in red, I told you later that was the case but you choose to disregard that. Without the warning it would be exactly as I said foolish and irresponsible! Trax is well aware of what I was responding to, and is well aware of your propensity to explode when you disagree with anyone who is not in lock step whit you in regard to anything concerning your bullets and uses that to further inflame you. If you want to talk about someone who is misinformed then you have only to look at anything TRAX posts! There is a reason he will never answer questions, but requires the answers of everyone else. This why his location is listed as HERE&THERE. The reason he is so secretive is because he is afraid he will be found out as a fraud, and a king of the straw-man post. It hasn’t worked though because he has been labled as a TROLL here. Everyone here already has TRAX's number, he is nothing but a trolling trouble maker, who doesn't want anyone to know his real identity and location because some of these old boys might look him up and go clean his plow for him. Gerard I have zero problem with you or your bullets! I, on the other hand, am an open book! There are at least 40 people here on AR who know me personally and most know my address, and phone number.
In response to the above quote, you have no need to apologize to me, for your misunderstanding of my response to another poster who did not mention your warnings! Without those warnings placing the bullet against the rifling, and starting a max load from a load book would be exactly what I said, FOOLISH & IRRESONSIBLE! Additionally, as I posted further after being made aware of your warnings in red, Since there are many more people using the bore riders in double rifles today, that warning should include a NOTE: To double rifle shooters: The recommendation to start your loads at MAX and up against the rifle is not recommended. The double rifle being dependent on a proper speed (barrel time) to regulate properly one must start low and move up to the proper speed to cause proper regulation!
Gerard, corrected mistakes are not frowned upon, if they are really mistakes. it is my opinion that many of what you see as mistakes are simple misunderstanding of them being a mistake! Your mention of foul langue in a post peppered all over with my screen name, leave people to think you are referring to me! I think you know that is not the case. I never use foul langue when posting to anyone here, however TRAX makes it tempting at times! ......................................................................BYE! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Wanting to know the true-honest level of bore-resistance of a CEB bullet is insane? Why would wanting to know more detailed pressure/loading/safety parameters of a CEB bullet be insane? Whats seems insane, is a backyard person like Michael458 offering to do private pressure tests on CEB bullets, rather than sensibly recommending a consumer contact CEB for such information. I am yet to be informed that Michael458 is an official professional[accredited] test lab, working on behalf of CEB bullets. So he might like to come down off his pedestal a bit.
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Q./For those with real world experience with loading both CEB and GScustom HV/FN, which have you found to have the lowest bore resistance? Have you been able to load develop CEB in the same manner GSC safely recommends? Or have you found you must use more caution with one than the other? | |||
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Sean Russell, can you show some amazing photos of your real-world experience of 'sweating blood'..??..  Only people with chronically weak psychological & physical constitutions, suffer such rare condition. My sincere sympathies to you.
A person should not be affraid to ask questions, there is no way a person can know everything by themselves. unfortunately macD37 all to often foolishly presumes too many things, to his embarrassment.
Please, list the people and evidence, to support your claim that I am a fraud. I have done business with numerous people on AR , with good honest straighTfoward dealing from both sides. NO complaints have ever been posted on AR about Trax defrauding anyone. However I cannot say the same about Satterlee Arms. Satterlee is the only person on AR that I have dealt with,that has well proven to be a grossly dishonest craphouse businessman. HIs reputation for screwing numerous AR customers around,is legendary, extending yrs back. IF he was today forced to provide all monies he long owes people, he would be out of business tomorrow. His days operating as a dishonest firearms manufacturer, are truly numbered. Anyone foolish enough to throw large sums of money at SatterleeArms, should be made aware thats it more likely to be spent on legal bills & court ordered refunds to existing customers with a claim against him, rather than him using it to building what you have ordered. - Dont fall into the trap of paying for his lack of business ethic.
Since you claim to be an 'open book' and want to call Trax a fraud, be brave and provide me your true details - and I will have my legal team deal with fish like Satterlee & your pathetic self, all at the same time....Now is not the time to be a coward macD37, here is your chance to show the forum what you are really made of. | |||
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..............................................................You first! There are pleanty of people here who would like to know who, and where you are! Here you go demanding info from everyone else but totally ignoring request from everyone else! TRAX, you are nothing but a hit and run TROLL! .....................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Demanding?...no demand at all, I am only asking for it. IF you are too much of a coward to give it, Thats your cowardly choice. Everyone Else?...not at all, I am only asking for one persons details, yours, as you are the one making a serious accusation of fraud toward me. Try not to be a nut-less coward ,try backing yourself by giving your true details and let my legal team deal with you. Evidently you are too weak & affraid to put your real name behind your fraud accusation toward me. so, Please provide the names of people and evidence,[together with your own true name], to support your claim that I am a fraud. otherwise do yourself a big favor, and stop making a complete & utter fool of yourself, yet again.
The numerous people I have done business with on AR know my real name and location. MY name & loc. must have been real enough, because the check$ I sent never bounced. NO history of complaint exists on AR concerning any matter about Trax supposedly defrauding anyone on AR. Your unfounded claims could prove rather costly to you, should you persist with such false accusation. ..Anyway, lets see how persistently foolish and dumb you really are. | |||
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Gerard, Your only mistake here was briefly considering Troll Trax to be a credible conversant, and referencing him in one of your posts. But you are not expected to know all the trolls, since you have better things to do than tally trolls, so that is easily forgiven. No doubt, your HV/FN/SP drive band structure is the most sophisticated, and technically correct in it's approach, for a copper mono-metal bullet: Best stress and pressure reduction with effective spin impart. Most adaptable to the greatest variety of chambering and throating, in my experience. Greatest choices usually in crimping location with good neck tension, for those of us that like to crimp and experiment with COL for magazine box or single loading. It will most likely allow accuracy in the greatest number of situations. The brass CEB bullets get by with the greater lubricity of brass aiding pressure reduction and stress relief beyond what their banding technique would allow in copper. Their 3 + 1 banding is not the most flexible in crimping locations with adequate neck tension. But they have some nifty aspects like the plastic ballistic tips (Talon) added to make them more useful. Their copper bullet with "Seal Tite" band is a different approach altogeter, and that works too. North Fork bullets are great too, they certainly have their strong points, with the bonded-lead-nosed/solid-copper-based/"micro-grooved" SP being the best "leaded" bullet possible. Their drive-banded FP and CP are very similar to GSC technology regarding the drive bands, i.e, as good as it gets also. Anyone offended by straight shooting in talk or bullets does not deserve to use any of these great bullets: GSC, CEB, or North Fork. We need to support them all, made in the USA. It is just too bad that they all do not make bullets of every possible caliber and weight. Pickings for a 300-grain bullet made for .411-groove/.404-bore are pretty slim, but North Fork has that one covered.   WILDCATS NEW AND OLD RELOADED  | |||
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Hey! Its Atkinson! Doug Chester to the rescue! Atta boy Trax. "Stop being mean to me on the internet or I'll sue you!"  How low do you plan on lowering yourself? | |||
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you have a strange, roundabout, and insulting way of asking. that's all you want to know? Then why is this thread filled with your blather unrelated to the topic at hand? dont know where "here & there" is but michael is no "backyard person" as you so insultingly labelled him and i would venture a guess and a rather safe wager that he is more credible then you from a testing standpoint to include LOTS of a large african game. here & there must be some special place if michael's lab is somehow a backyard operation you sir are out of your element and digging a deep hole with every subsequent post Bob | |||
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