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So I was browsing for more Africana and stumbles across Taylors "Shadows of Shame". Reading the description it seems the person selling it says Taylor was a homosexual and was expelled from Africa and the book is about a bisexual house servant pleasuring the occupants. Is this True? If so It will forever change my perception of Pondoro Taylor. White Mountains Arizona | ||
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Funny. Who cares Dude. Even if he was, it don't make no difference. And if it does to some. Again, who cares. He wrote great memoir and as a hunter , that's good enough for me. " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Was thinking the same thing....who cares? With that said, I wouldn't want to drop the soap in front of him  | |||
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Your perception of Pondoro is your issue. Probably best left that way too. His hunting history remains legendary and you won't change that . Find something else to do this weekend. | |||
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Harsh words by you Ridgeman. My sentiment is the same as yours on the issue at hand but I respect Gunslinger's beliefs. It sounds like you are the one who needs something to do this weekend. | |||
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What was the old saying?, "This is your rifle, this is your gun, this is for fighting, this is for ..." Seems like these two concepts have been separated for a long time. I think you can continue to admire Pondoro as a hunter and for his knowledge of rifles and just ignore the other aspects of his life as he chose to live it. | |||
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"Maneaters and Marauders" is my favourite book by Taylor. Another great book is "Rogues and Marauders" written by John Dawkins, a South Australian sheep farmer who decided to put his car, missus and kid onto a boat and head over to Africa to look around. Anyway, he met-up with Taylor, and they went on some hunts together. Later, Taylor visited Dawkins in Australia, and they came up this way to shoot quite a few buffalo. | |||
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If the saying "once you've tried black , you will never go back"... Is true, then you would have been safe picking up the soap.....  | |||
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I could not care less about all this. I enjoyed his writing, and his private life is none of anyone's business. | |||
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bit hard when you become a celebrity, ones whole life comes under the microscope of the public, fans and critics. | |||
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If he was queer, he never tried to ram that down anyone's throat, like all the bloody idiots today. That is exactly what I mean. Sadly, today so called "celebrities" it is rather special to be queer, and if you do not agree with them then you are ignoramus idiot! | |||
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Why did Crapstick and Marsh find the need to add regular conjecture in various chapters about Taylors sexual preference? Don't get me wrong, I like to know greater depth of famous peoples lives and not just about their hunting exploits, But you don't dwell on those other private issues. Eg; It interests me to know that Hemingway suicided with his shotgun and his father suicided with a pistol, as well as what eventually happened to other members of his family,like his son Gregory that had gender reassignment surgery, to then become known as Gloria Hemingway. | |||
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Sheesh if ol pondoro's misbehavior upsets you you don't want to look to close at the personal lives of half the folks that spend their lives on this forum.  | |||
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Geez. OP, are you really interested in who someone you never met was sleeping with half a century ago? I am trying to think of a less important issue and am not doing well with that. | |||
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Born: August 17, 1904, Dublin, Republic of Ireland Died: October 18, 1969, London, United Kingdom Talk about someone being a paranoid HOMOPHOBIC!!!! Since WHEN does a persons sexual preferences have anything to do with their ability to hunt and be knowledgeable about guns?????? The man has been DEAD for over 45 damn years. It is a little late and a lot of foolish to be concerned about his behavior in his private life! I seriously doubt One Single Animal Of ANY Kind that he killed asked him if he was a Queer or not! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Just wait until a celebrity queer goes hunting. Then every animal he kills will SPECIAL! | |||
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If he was queer, he never tried to ram that down anyone's throat, like all the bloody idiots today. [/QUOTE] Hey Saeed.....whatdaya mean, "Ram it down anyone's throat." | |||
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The man was a great hunter and a great writer not else matters. One hopes he was kind to children Other than that his sexual preferences are his own. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Why the society we live in freely accepts, gays, queers and lesbians as being the norm. So one can say that Pondoro was ahead of the times in his thinking too! if he indeed was a bum bandit.
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Amen. Mike | |||
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Since we all know of and admire Taylor for what he did, his private life should not even come into the picture. Capstick is to blame as he was writing tabloid crap to sell books. Taylor did enough in the world of double rifles, ballistics, and hunting African game to sell his knowledge on his own. When I first read the work by PHC I was disappointed and he fell from grace in my eyes. 45 years after I'm gone, I hope those on AR will mention my name as one who wrote on double rifles, not of my ….. Cheers, mates. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal, You do live in Alaska, so you might enjoy this. Enoch was a young man who got involved in a bike gang. He had a great time. What will that drinking and women freely available. Aftera while he had enough, and decided to change his life. He went to Alaska, built himself a cabin, and lived by trapping and fishing. One day he was at his cabin, when there is a knock at his door. He opened it. "Howdy neighbor, I am George, I live 50 miles thataway, and I am having a party next weekend and would like to invite you" "Great, I would love to come, thank you. I have not seen many people for years" "I just want to warn you, there is going to be lots of boozing and wild sex" "It is OK, I used to be in a motor bike gang, and had plenty of both" "OK, see you then" "Oh what shall I wear??" "Anything you like, there is only going to be you and me!"  | |||
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You heard about the guy who went into prison and had to share a cell. The huge guy already in the cell said; since we are going to living together, we are going to play a game called 'husband and wife', and you can choose whether you are the husband or wife wearing the dress. The little guy said Ok , ill be the husband and you can be the wife. The huge brute said fine, so he then gladly puts the dress on and then says to his husband, -Now come over and lift the front of your wife dress...and s***her ***k. | |||
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How about this one: Sam was talking to a friend of his and was telling him about his parachuting experience. He had always wanted to learn how to parachute. He heard from a friend about a guy who ran a jumping school who had been an Army Ranger. He decided that this guy should know about teaching how to jump so he signed up for private lessons. When he met the instructor, he was really impressed. The guy was tall and very muscular. There were pictures around the office of him in combat zones, with his buddies, suited up in airplanes, and in other military situations. He was very impressive and Sam was sure this guy would be a good teacher. After the ground instruction, they climbed into the plane and took off. Once they got up to the proper altitude, the instructor put the plane’s controls on autopilot. He turned around and said to Sam, “You may not know this, but I’m gay. I’m giving you two choices, you can either jump out of the plane without a parachute, or you can let me get behind you and have my way with you.” Sam’s friend was shocked. He asked, “Did you jump?” Sam replied, “Yes, at first.” =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DRSS; NRA; Illinois State Rifle Association; Missouri Sport Shooting Association “One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain.” – Thomas Sowell, “The Vision Of The Anointed: Self-Congratulation As A Basis For Social Policy” . | |||
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For Gods sake, let John Taylor rest in peace.. Who gives a rats ass about his sexuality..?? | |||
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He was also a Muslim, I presume that also changes your perception, god help us if he had one leg shorter than the other and ............ | |||
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Perhaps gunslinger is unaware this is a novel - the only fiction Taylor wrote . Does this help make it a little more comfortable ? Oh - and by the way Leopardtrack, it's no longer the weekend down here. | |||
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Whats your point? | |||
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Your perception is already changed. Mine was too!!! Dosent make you a homophobe or a bad person. Plain and simple, If you read one of his books you would never in a million years suspect he was anything but your typical African hunter. I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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Cute, my friend, but just another weekend at my cabin! And my cabin is…  _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Peter Capstick and Brian Marsh wrote a biography, and a damn good one. It was widely rumored in Africa and England that Taylor was a homosexual in an time when homosexuality was considered "a crime against nature." If they had not provided what evidence they had about his sexuality, they would have done a disservice to readers who bought their book to learn more about the man's life. It may be there, but I don't remember anywhere in their book where they stated flat-out that he was gay or wrote negatively about homosexuality. Bill Quimby | |||
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Thanks for a sensible reply. I was only asking about the FACTS but I see it just brought up a bunch of EMOTION like it always does. Can't even have a rational conversation about the FACTS. Funny I figured that was going to happen. In no way am I downplaying him at all, I am just a little shocked it was a big "secret" and that he had the guts to write about a story such as "shadows of shame". I am just curious and he was by no means the first or only Gay African hunter. I did not know he was expelled from Africa for homosexual intolerance. I am not "anti gay" but I am not a PC throw it in your face alternative lifestyler and think they are a special class. I just wanted to know the facts. And apparently no one really does by the emotional responses lacking facts. I was interested in buying marauder and maneaters and shadow of shame 2 pack I guess I will so maybe I'll actually learn something about the man.
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Thanks for some facts
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Has anyone actually read "shadows of shame"? White Mountains Arizona | |||
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OK I just bought the pair of books off ebay. Damn I just saw I typoed the books title in header. White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Saeed, I can't agree with you more at least now. Back in Pondoro's time it was a black list. They didn't shame him publically because of his stature. No one wanted to call the man who was a brave professional hunter/poacher a fag. But they kicked him out of Malawi. Kind of a sad commentary. | |||
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No gunslinger55 you were not just asking for the FACTS, before you even got them confirmed, you made it known what your personal feelings about Taylor would be if the FACTS were confirmed "If so It will forever change my perception of Pondoro Taylor." That is why you got "a bunch of EMOTION". Do you really think most of us give a shit about his sexual orientation or religion or anything else about his private life. All most of us think of him was that we share a common interest in hunting and firearms and are envious of the adventures he had on the Dark Continent and the pleasure we gain from reading of these and from his sharing of knowledge and experience with the range of firearms used in his time. Life is too short for us to worry about whatever else he got up to in his life. I suppose some just have to invoke their own preferences in life on others and of course you and those are perfectly free to do so but don't be surprised if you invoke reaction from others when doing so. Perhaps if Taylor had been a complete drunken heterosexual maniac he would have been more acceptable in the hunters fold  | |||
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Certainly broaden the discussion of poaching. | |||
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Well the FACTS I was looking for were if he was thrown out of Africa for Homosexuality. Apparently true. Not like other hunters who retired and went back to Europe or wherever to live in a castle. That DID change my perception of him, not that he was gay but that he had a tragic end. Also the FACT that he wrote a rather racy African Novel takes guts and was I imagine pretty unusual at the time. That FACT changed my mind about the man as well, gutsy to say the least and will get you blacklisted I'm sure. I am sure I am not the only one who has found this particular set of circumstances rather interesting, in the context of African hunting. I was not getting emotional just stating a FACT that my perceptions changed, neither good or bad, and in fact my curiosity compelled me to buy the book. Stating that my perceptions changed was instantly thought to be a negative. Interesting.....
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