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Keep this a secret!
You laugh and make fun, but until you've seen Janet in a thong bikini and rubbed her down with sun tan lotion, you won't know what your missing.
It could only get better if Rosie O'Donnnel could accompany us with all of her tonnage.
Cal

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Considering the avg median income per family is just over $50k/year, it is the "rich" that hunt Africa I'd guess.

I wonder how many Dodge pick-ups are sitting in some of those driveways?

There's an interesting book called "The Millionaire Nextdoor" that outlines how living within one's means, even on that median income, can bring you to later having a net worth others would call rich.

Cheers
Jim

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Considering the avg median income per family is just over $50k/year, it is the "rich"wa that hunt Africa I'd guess.

I wonder how many Dodge pick-ups are sitting in some of those driveways?

There's an interesting book called "The Millionaire Nextdoor" that outlines how living within one's means, even on that median income, can bring you to later having a net worth others would call rich.

Cheers
Jim

The median white family net wealth is $111,146 (2011 numbers the most recent).

The median black family wealth is $8,348 (2011 data)

The median hispanic family wealth is $7,113 (2011 data)

Lets leave all the discussion of why the numbers are so varied to another non africa hunting thread.

Lets just assume the median white family wealth of $111,146. This is the families net wealth - value of houses, guns, cars, stocks & bonds, retirement everything basically minus debt.

So the median white family - the middle class is worth $111K.

A lion hunt in africa - wild lion - not the canned south african stuff is between $40K (burkina) to $125K tanzania - $120K will get you a good wild lion in Bubye probably best place in the world to hunt them.

So for the median white family - the middle class in the US - a single wild lion hunt before taxidermy and anything else (I did not even put tips in the $120K) will use up the whole asset side of the household balance sheet.

Lets move it to top 1% in US. http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/

If you are a wage earner it $400K a year. After taxes - its around $240K of income assuming you stay in non-tax state. A wild lion hunt takes up 1/2 your yearly income. How many people take a vacation to spend 1/2 their yearly income?

So when you get to the wild lion hunting game today - you either save a lot of money for long time or one is really rich. That is the reality.

We can hide it all in saving $ by not going to starbucks to save for a african hunt ect but that ain't going to get you a wild lion hunt.

On trucks and hunting - I like the reference cause I use a zim buff hunt relative to a ford 150.

F-150 - 753,851 sold last year. Number #1 sales vehicle with a $50K price tag too.

End of day you can sell your truck back - its a consumer durable. Hunting is a pure discretionary consumption activity.

You can lease part of a truck. I own a GMC i lease for 50 cents mile. Replace it every two year if I want too or skip a truck for few years.

If you want to compare hunting to a truck better to use a per mile lease cost. 2 year lease on a GMC that sells for $40K is $10K.

I think a f-150 is far better value than a zim buff hunt - but that is me and like 700K other people.

Fun question by the way. Cause I always like seeing $20-$50K hunt reports by guys who try to save money when going to the hunting conventions. I think that is very cool cause it shows value for money and the priority hunting has for otherwise frugal people.

Mike

Mike we have a saying offshore fishing that applies here as well. Never do the math.

Try the math on marriage pal...

Jeff

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Considering the avg median income per family is just over $50k/year, it is the "rich"wa that hunt Africa I'd guess.

I wonder how many Dodge pick-ups are sitting in some of those driveways?

There's an interesting book called "The Millionaire Nextdoor" that outlines how living within one's means, even on that median income, can bring you to later having a net worth others would call rich.

Cheers
Jim

The median white family net wealth is $111,146 (2011 numbers the most recent).

The median black family wealth is $8,348 (2011 data)

The median hispanic family wealth is $7,113 (2011 data)

Lets leave all the discussion of why the numbers are so varied to another non africa hunting thread.

Lets just assume the median white family wealth of $111,146. This is the families net wealth - value of houses, guns, cars, stocks & bonds, retirement everything basically minus debt.

So the median white family - the middle class is worth $111K.

A lion hunt in africa - wild lion - not the canned south african stuff is between $40K (burkina) to $125K tanzania - $120K will get you a good wild lion in Bubye probably best place in the world to hunt them.

So for the median white family - the middle class in the US - a single wild lion hunt before taxidermy and anything else (I did not even put tips in the $120K) will use up the whole asset side of the household balance sheet.

Lets move it to top 1% in US. http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/

If you are a wage earner it $400K a year. After taxes - its around $240K of income assuming you stay in non-tax state. A wild lion hunt takes up 1/2 your yearly income. How many people take a vacation to spend 1/2 their yearly income?

So when you get to the wild lion hunting game today - you either save a lot of money for long time or one is really rich. That is the reality.

We can hide it all in saving $ by not going to starbucks to save for a african hunt ect but that ain't going to get you a wild lion hunt.

On trucks and hunting - I like the reference cause I use a zim buff hunt relative to a ford 150.

F-150 - 753,851 sold last year. Number #1 sales vehicle with a $50K price tag too.

End of day you can sell your truck back - its a consumer durable. Hunting is a pure discretionary consumption activity.

You can lease part of a truck. I own a GMC i lease for 50 cents mile. Replace it every two year if I want too or skip a truck for few years.

If you want to compare hunting to a truck better to use a per mile lease cost. 2 year lease on a GMC that sells for $40K is $10K.

I think a f-150 is far better value than a zim buff hunt - but that is me and like 700K other people.

Fun question by the way. Cause I always like seeing $20-$50K hunt reports by guys who try to save money when going to the hunting conventions. I think that is very cool cause it shows value for money and the priority hunting has for otherwise frugal people.

Mike

Mike we have a saying offshore fishing that applies here as well. Never do the math.

Try the math on marriage pal...

Jeff

Jeff,

As a general rule chicks are far more impressed with a viking 54 convertible than with dead stuffed lion.

I am just to cheap to ever buy a fancy viking. Cheaper to go to tropic star.

I plan to marry rich and my wife come with a g650 as dowry to fly me around

Mike

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
A great deal of discretionary income is burned up on kids. Last number I saw was $245,000.00 to age 18. Don't get me started on college. If a top of the heap Tanzania hunt for lion etc. is 125k, then you skip 2 such hunts per kid.

So this all means that most Americans COULD hunt Africa, but they choose to spend the money elsewhere. And that is just fine by me.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Jeff,

There will always room on g650 for you.

Champagne caviar and sport illustrated swimsuit models as stewardess.

Life will be good. Now i just need to focus on finding the rich wife.

Mike

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Jim:

I've found out in my limited life's experiences, there are many volunteers and very few actual victims. Many poor are poor due to life style choices.
Cal

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Jeff,

There will always room on g650 for you.

Champagne caviar and sport illustrated swimsuit models as stewardess.

Life will be good. Now i just need to focus on finding the rich wife.

Mike

Geez!! And all we gave you was stew.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
People should do what THEY want to do and the hell what anyone thinks.I remember reading Sam Waltons Bio when I was younger.He critisized people for buying a Mercedes or a nice new shirt and went on to say how he was smarter in that he drove a used pick-up,flew economy, and bought his clothes from Walmart...He then said that he also bought used the FLEET of personal aircraft he owned-lol.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Anyone know of a single Weatherby award winner that was not rich ?

Mike

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Anyone know of a single Weatherby award winner that was not rich ?

Mike

Jack O'Connor
Warren Page

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Hunting on other continents has always been spendy
What's new?

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Now back for me to find the rich wife with a g650er.

Mike

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Now back for me to find the rich wife with a g650er.

Mike

Your only hope is an arranged marriage.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Anyone know of a single Weatherby award winner that was not rich ?

Mike

Jack O'Connor
Warren Page

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Now back for me to find the rich wife with a g650er.
Y
Mike

Your only hope is an arranged marriage.

Jim

G650er come only in arranged situations - I am willing to give up hunting for one if my future wife so desires

Mike