https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...boasts-shot-23807853


Link to photos and article.

The Mirror can collectively go procreate itself and all who work there.

Agreed about the Mirror but the cutesy pose and the handbag comment didn't help the optics. We are often our worst enemy.

Mark

Yup. Paying out the rope from which our necks will hang.

I hope social media bans hunting pics. It will be the best thing to happen to hunting in a very long time.

That they don’t should tell you why they don’t - and it ain’t “free speech.”

So, now the world cares that a giant lizard that routinely eats humans was brained instead of being eaten or starving to death.

I hate the 21st Century.

One more lizard down....many lives saved. MTG

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I hope social media bans hunting pics.

. . . then you better limit the Hunt Report sections here to narrative only too. The notion that what happens here is not "social media" is mistaken.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I hope social media bans hunting pics.

. . . then you better limit the Hunt Report sections here to narrative only too. The notion that what happens here is not "social media" is mistaken.

Fine. But that’s not my decision.


Funny story. I was in Kenya’s NFD, out of cell phone range. When I got back in range my phone beeped with a message from my wife with a forwarded message “do you know anything about this?” She asked.


She had been forwarded a Facebook post from her aunt, who she rarely talks to. When I opened the link, guess who I happened to see? You and Buzz with your elephant. After reading how she (my wife’s aunt) thought you were a baby elephant murderer, I texted my wife back more nuance on the situation. For the record, my wife doesn’t think you are a baby elephant murderer.


AR is a form of social media, but it isn’t ringing hundreds of thousands of phones across the world like “real” social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc. the power of that social media is to make you care about something that the sender wants you to care about. It is a push vs. pull difference.

Frankly, I’m of the opinion it should all be burned to the ground. But This is starting to border on the political, so I’ll stop here. As you are aware I am no longer interested in arguing politics on AR.

My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

Won't work.

And hiding from them won't either.

AR is not immune.

I am seeing AR posts/threads show up in Bing and Google searches.

Never used to see that.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

Won't work.

And hiding from them won't either.

Yup

Posting hunting pictures will give you a public profile. The degree of the animal/trophy picture will make you a greater or lesser public profile.

Also depends on if one has a public profile or not. Dealing with clients, customers, social organization members ect one may not want to be associated forever on the internet with a dead animal and trophy picture.

I don’t care largely cause I don’t have to answer to anyone (clients, customers, ect). I could give a rats ass if someone includes me in a anti hunting social media posts. But at the same time I don’t go out of my way to post a picture that would take a unknown me and make me a public person. I like being an unknown. I would not post a picture with a dead lion for example.

Mike Jines shows up regularly in my social media from anti hunting reposts ect. His picture recently showed up in my Twitter feed. My Twitter is anonymous with zero posts ect. It just follows financial information. Even in that feed an anti hunting post shows. The picture was from an ar hunt report.

Mike

That's another difference between AR and true social media... the big players mine your browsing habits, interests, searches, etc. and 'serve' you content you 'might' be interested in - even tangentially. Your Twitter account might not have your name on it, but make no mistake Twitter knows who you are and that you also are on AR. AR does not know you are on Twitter. Big difference.

Also, the big boys know what types of images you linger on. For example, you scroll through Instagram (which is actually facebook) and pause a few seconds on a pretty blonde chick - guess what - facebook knows that, and will serve you more blonde chicks. You look at pictures of elephant? They will serve you more elephant. This is all designed to keep you engaged so you can be monetized.

Watch The Social Dilemma or listen to some podcasts with Tristan Harris to see how it all works.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
That's another difference between AR and true social media... the big players mine your browsing habits, interests, searches, etc. and 'serve' you content you 'might' be interested in - even tangentially. Your Twitter account might not have your name on it, but make no mistake Twitter knows who you are and that you also are on AR. AR does not know you are on Twitter. Big difference.

Also, the big boys know what types of images you linger on. For example, you scroll through Instagram (which is actually facebook) and pause a few seconds on a pretty blonde chick - guess what - facebook knows that, and will serve you more blonde chicks. You look at pictures of elephant? They will serve you more elephant. This is all designed to keep you engaged so you can be monetized.

Watch The Social Dilemma or listen to some podcasts with Tristan Harris to see how it all works.

Ar is open to the public. Post a picture on ar and you can be assured anti hunting crowd will see it.

I have zero issues posting pictures on Ar but then I answer to few people.

Mike

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
That's another difference between AR and true social media... the big players mine your browsing habits, interests, searches, etc. and 'serve' you content you 'might' be interested in - even tangentially. Your Twitter account might not have your name on it, but make no mistake Twitter knows who you are and that you also are on AR. AR does not know you are on Twitter. Big difference.

Also, the big boys know what types of images you linger on. For example, you scroll through Instagram (which is actually facebook) and pause a few seconds on a pretty blonde chick - guess what - facebook knows that, and will serve you more blonde chicks. You look at pictures of elephant? They will serve you more elephant. This is all designed to keep you engaged so you can be monetized.

Watch The Social Dilemma or listen to some podcasts with Tristan Harris to see how it all works.

Social Dilemma is a must see!!

My biggest concern here is the claim that that croc is 15 feet. It is defiantly a big croc. BUUUUT 15 feet. I don't know?

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Originally posted by Thor Kirchner:
My biggest concern here is the claim that that croc is 15 feet. It is defiantly a big croc. BUUUUT 15 feet. I don't know?

You are right.

The way they took the photos prove he is NOT that big.

Im not gonna condemn her

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Originally posted by Thor Kirchner:
My biggest concern here is the claim that that croc is 15 feet. It is defiantly a big croc. BUUUUT 15 feet. I don't know?

Could it be because she has been quoted inaccurate dimensions her entire life?

Jeff

I have been saying for years the first thing one should see when you go to a PH/Outfitters both or website is not the price or pictures with those magic score words, but a center by cent accounting of how much a hunt package actually goes to habitat or local community support.

This lets us know we are hunting with a conservation driven organization, and gives us specific bullets to use against antis.

Kind of leading with what should be the most important thing instead of death and cost. You can still show trophy pics doing that. But takes some of the piss out of it when you post that pic and the narrative is crocodile taken 200 yards from village (show village) had 6 arm bands found in stomach (show arm band) 4,000 dollars of this hunt (show the match) used to pay for drilling wells and water purification, so villagers do not have to go to the river coming in conflict with crocs and limiting water borne illness (show construction).

Then go have your purse made.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So, now the world cares that a giant lizard that routinely eats humans was brained instead of being eaten or starving to death.

I hate the 21st Century.

+1

Women are very bad at judging size.

They always thought 4” is 6”

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

Won't work.

And hiding from them won't either.

Yup

Posting hunting pictures will give you a public profile. The degree of the animal/trophy picture will make you a greater or lesser public profile.

Also depends on if one has a public profile or not. Dealing with clients, customers, social organization members ect one may not want to be associated forever on the internet with a dead animal and trophy picture.

I don’t care largely cause I don’t have to answer to anyone (clients, customers, ect). I could give a rats ass if someone includes me in a anti hunting social media posts. But at the same time I don’t go out of my way to post a picture that would take a unknown me and make me a public person. I like being an unknown. I would not post a picture with a dead lion for example.

Mike Jines shows up regularly in my social media from anti hunting reposts ect. His picture recently showed up in my Twitter feed. My Twitter is anonymous with zero posts ect. It just follows financial information. Even in that feed an anti hunting post shows. The picture was from an ar hunt report.

Mike

I believe you did post a pic of you here with your Burkina Faso lion.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

Won't work.

And hiding from them won't either.

Yup

Posting hunting pictures will give you a public profile. The degree of the animal/trophy picture will make you a greater or lesser public profile.

Also depends on if one has a public profile or not. Dealing with clients, customers, social organization members ect one may not want to be associated forever on the internet with a dead animal and trophy picture.

I don’t care largely cause I don’t have to answer to anyone (clients, customers, ect). I could give a rats ass if someone includes me in a anti hunting social media posts. But at the same time I don’t go out of my way to post a picture that would take a unknown me and make me a public person. I like being an unknown. I would not post a picture with a dead lion for example.

Mike Jines shows up regularly in my social media from anti hunting reposts ect. His picture recently showed up in my Twitter feed. My Twitter is anonymous with zero posts ect. It just follows financial information. Even in that feed an anti hunting post shows. The picture was from an ar hunt report.

Mike

I believe you did post a pic of you here with your Burkina Faso lion.

I did post a picture of the lion. just not me and the lion in the same picture. there is a picture of the ph and the lion on the internet.

picture of me and dead buffaloes are on internet, gun makers website and zim outfitters marketing stuff. kind of irrelevant.

as long as there are steakhouses - buffalo trophy pictures will be kind of irrelevant.

Mike

Heck, people were selling anti-hunting merchandise using my pics.

I believe it was Larysa Switlyk that also caused controversy by posing with trophies and a bloody sex toy. It was discussed here in detail a few years ago.

I remember meeting her at Javier’s during DSC about five years ago. Javier’s is a popular spot for outfitters/hunters after DSC as it’s owner, Javier (obviously), is a big hunter and the entire restaurant is like a trophy room.

Larysa was bouncing around the cigar bar hustling for free hunts to promote her show that I’ve never seen. She came to our table to try and get a free hunt from is in Argentina. Needless to say, it didn’t happen.

That, the sex toy, and now this purse deal really makes me think she is not a good person for our sport.

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Originally posted by tanks:
Heck, people were selling anti-hunting merchandise using my pics.

Strange side job you got there tanks.. ingenious, but strange...;-)

If I’m ever asked why I shot my crocodile, I suppose I’ll have to confess.

I shot it because I had never shot one before, I had an extra $3,200 burning a hole in my pocket, and Andrew said it was okay.

I’d have shot another one if I had thought about my need for fashion accessories.

Haven't these morons ever asked themselves why crocodile farms are in existence and that only juveniles are "harvested" for the leather industry?

If we are going to add insult to injury we also have Ostrich farms where the poor birds are bred for their low-cholesterol meat and skin which makes for some very attractive leather.

Let's not delve further by mentioning the domesticated animals.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by MJines:
My point is that pictures and videos posted anywhere on an open platform or non-restricted website on the Internet are subject to becoming a push platform versus a pull platform. We like to think that places like AR, 24 Hour Campfire, Africa Hunting are our little sanctums where only the righteous worship while places like Facebook and Twitter are somehow different and evil . . . nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike , you make valid points here. I wonder how putting copyrights on pictures before posting them here might help, if at all? Or would copyrighting photos be a total waste of time?

Won't work.

And hiding from them won't either.

Yup

Posting hunting pictures will give you a public profile. The degree of the animal/trophy picture will make you a greater or lesser public profile.

Also depends on if one has a public profile or not. Dealing with clients, customers, social organization members ect one may not want to be associated forever on the internet with a dead animal and trophy picture.

I don’t care largely cause I don’t have to answer to anyone (clients, customers, ect). I could give a rats ass if someone includes me in a anti hunting social media posts. But at the same time I don’t go out of my way to post a picture that would take a unknown me and make me a public person. I like being an unknown. I would not post a picture with a dead lion for example.

Mike Jines shows up regularly in my social media from anti hunting reposts ect. His picture recently showed up in my Twitter feed. My Twitter is anonymous with zero posts ect. It just follows financial information. Even in that feed an anti hunting post shows. The picture was from an ar hunt report.

Mike

I believe you did post a pic of you here with your Burkina Faso lion.

I did post a picture of the lion. just not me and the lion in the same picture. there is a picture of the ph and the lion on the internet.

picture of me and dead buffaloes are on internet, gun makers website and zim outfitters marketing stuff. kind of irrelevant.

as long as there are steakhouses - buffalo trophy pictures will be kind of irrelevant.

Mike

Well if you say so. I have an image burned into my memory of you with that lion. I can describe the lion well cause at the time I was gathering data on phenotypic characteristics of lion. My mind playing ticks with me I guess as I just remember it as your lion.

All of this is a double-edged sword for sure. And while I agree with Steve on his fight-club analogy...the day we start hiding FROM what we do marks the beginning of the end. Maybe that day has already come.

For me while I am not an in your face person...I am also not ashamed of what I do. And I am confident I stand on the correct side of things. I am not worried about anyone ruining my life with pictures. I am known throughout the equine veterinary world as a hunter. Just before COVID last February...I was giving an international lecture in Aruba. I always have tasteful pictures at the end of my PowerPoints from hunting expeditions. Those photos led to a pleasant conversation about hunting amongst non-hunting colleagues.

It was a practize for US soldiers to pose with dead muslim terrorist..(also called hunting pics). That created some PR problems for the campaign in Afganistan in order remain public support.

As the bible says...(if I recall correct)Everything is permitted, but not everything is of use.

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
I believe it was Larysa Switlyk that also caused controversy by posing with trophies and a bloody sex toy. It was discussed here in detail a few years ago.

I remember meeting her at Javier’s during DSC about five years ago. Javier’s is a popular spot for outfitters/hunters after DSC as it’s owner, Javier (obviously), is a big hunter and the entire restaurant is like a trophy room.

Larysa was bouncing around the cigar bar hustling for free hunts to promote her show that I’ve never seen. She came to our table to try and get a free hunt from is in Argentina. Needless to say, it didn’t happen.

That, the sex toy, and now this purse deal really makes me think she is not a good person for our sport.

She contacted me during the "Share the Impact" fundraiser. She also contacted me after the death of Phillip Smythe. She was responsible for a donated goliath grouper fishing trip here in FL for the Share the Impact fundraiser. She also offered to go along on one of the hunts I donated as the "hunting celebrity". She put something about the Smythe fundraising efforts on her social media.

Having said that, she made some comments about not having a FL whitetail. I read it as she was seeking an invitation. After Nick Hoffman made his 3rd visit to my place, she sent me a message asking why I had not taken her.

The sex toy photos were never intended to be made public I am quite confident. I am sure she isn't the only woman to do stupid things at a bachelorette party.

I do have to say she is selling a hunt that I find interesting. Non-native iguanas with a pellet gun here in FL.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
I believe it was Larysa Switlyk that also caused controversy by posing with trophies and a bloody sex toy. It was discussed here in detail a few years ago.

I remember meeting her at Javier’s during DSC about five years ago. Javier’s is a popular spot for outfitters/hunters after DSC as it’s owner, Javier (obviously), is a big hunter and the entire restaurant is like a trophy room.

Larysa was bouncing around the cigar bar hustling for free hunts to promote her show that I’ve never seen. She came to our table to try and get a free hunt from is in Argentina. Needless to say, it didn’t happen.

That, the sex toy, and now this purse deal really makes me think she is not a good person for our sport.

She contacted me during the "Share the Impact" fundraiser. She also contacted me after the death of Phillip Smythe. She was responsible for a donated goliath grouper fishing trip here in FL for the Share the Impact fundraiser. She also offered to go along on one of the hunts I donated as the "hunting celebrity". She put something about the Smythe fundraising efforts on her social media.

Having said that, she made some comments about not having a FL whitetail. I read it as she was seeking an invitation. After Nick Hoffman made his 3rd visit to my place, she sent me a message asking why I had not taken her.

The sex toy photos were never intended to be made public I am quite confident. I am sure she isn't the only woman to do stupid things at a bachelorette party.

I do have to say she is selling a hunt that I find interesting. Non-native iguanas with a pellet gun here in FL.

Larry,

That is good to know. My only personal interaction and knowledge of her have been negative. I suppose people could say the same about any hunting “celebrity.” Mark Sullivan has been bashed so much here, but he definitely stepped up on the Stu Taylor deal (and huge thanks to you for organizing the whole deal).

I know the sex toy videos were never meant to be made public, but not many stupid stunts are meant to be public either. I doubt Dr. Palmer wanted his photos public and have his livelihood destroyed. Trust me, I’ve done plenty of stupid shit in my life, but luckily it has not been documented and posted online.

Nick Hoffman definitely seems down to earth and a fun guy that really enjoys the outdoors. I hope to meet him one day.

The iguana hunts are interesting. I saw a show on it a few years ago. I am interested in doing one in the Keys in order to check a few things off the list at the same time.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All of this is a double-edged sword for sure. And while I agree with Steve on his fight-club analogy...the day we start hiding FROM what we do marks the beginning of the end. Maybe that day has already come.

For me while I am not an in your face person...I am also not ashamed of what I do. And I am confident I stand on the correct side of things. I am not worried about anyone ruining my life with pictures. I am known throughout the equine veterinary world as a hunter. Just before COVID last February...I was giving an international lecture in Aruba. I always have tasteful pictures at the end of my PowerPoints from hunting expeditions. Those photos led to a pleasant conversation about hunting amongst non-hunting colleagues.

Lane,

I know you aren't aiming that at me. My stance is simply one of understanding the enemy (Sun Tzu's "Art of War") for us to enter a battle for our hunting lives by posting our most personal of moments, that we all understand are inflammatory to our opponents, make absolutely zero sense from a tactical perspective.

I think you know I'm not ashamed. I'm proud, so proud that I don't need the validation of others by posting hero shot on the internet.

"I never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel."

I outed myself as a hunter a long time ago. I'm openly 'hunter' and don't apologize for it.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
...the day we start hiding FROM what we do marks the beginning of the end. Maybe that day has already come.

I'm afraid the beginning of the end has already started.

I think it is just a matter of time before importing trophies and traveling with firearms will either not be allowed, prohibitively expensive or just too painful to deal with.

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Originally posted by Matt Norman:
I outed myself as a hunter a long time ago. I'm openly 'hunter' and don't apologize for it.

Exactly.

We have trophies in our house.

Every now and then someone comes with friends of their who are plainly selfish idiots.

As soon as they start asking me why I hunt, I just tell them it is no of their bloody business, and they should either shut up, or leave.


End of conversation.

Sometimes I get genuine questions, and I have no problems answering them.

But putting up with idiots I have no time for.

Thanks Saeed. I would say then, that I'm not the only one who is tired of idiots as soon as they identify themselves as one. Be Well, Packy.