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Hi Guys Last Friday night i attended a game auction and one of he highlights was a buffalo cow selling for 20 million rand and there was aot of sables and exotic animals on sale also. Congratulation to the seller and to the buyer. Luan | ||
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Daar is geen pille vir domgeid nie. Translated: There are no pills for stupidity | |||
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Why you say that I think its great people making money out of wild live and looking after recources. Still alot of money but last year they paid 18 million for a bull and now more for a cow. Luan | |||
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Hi Luan Change my mind for me then. Tell me how this cow is worth 20 million? Also tell me how this type of buying is sustainable. We are just seeing a repeat of every other thing that Joburg Yuppies with more money than sense create. A massive wave, and then a crash. | |||
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Luan & African Hunters Quest, I've hunted on a South African, low fenced ranch three times in the last four years (Limpopo area). The hunts were, IN MY OPINION, fair chase hunts. During my actual pursuit of game a fence never influenced the outcome of the hunt. (As an example my 1st African hunt included an eland. We hunted eland for 2 1/2 days before finally getting the right bull at the right time. All that I had read before the hunt about hunting eland was true; they did not run away BUT TROTTED AWAY KEEPING ENOUGH COVER BETWEEN ME & THEM TO AVOID THE KILL SHOT. It was a challenging, fun hunt.) My question is this, What is the normal and average time line for fenced, South African safari ranches to hunt the offspring of the PURCHASED GAME ANIMALS? I'm assuming these operators purchase these game animals as breeding stock to build their ranch herds and not for immediate trophy hunting. Some hunters hold the opinion that stocked, fenced hunting is canned hunting; from my limited experience this hunting was just short of true free range hunting and is fair chase & challenging. In short I believe: A. Ranches with purchased breeding stock produce game herds that ARE NATURALLY BORN IN THE FENCED IN AREA B. The initial breeding animals are not hunted C. The GAME BORN & RAISED IN THE FENCED PROPERTY IS FREE RANGING (RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE RANCH). Although this post may generate some strongly held opinions I am asking the question to verify my own thinking; as has often been said on this web site - It is the hunters responsibility to find out if his hunt is legal & fits his or hers hunting ethics. | |||
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Is that considered a long hard hunt? I believe many a hunter would sign up now if they were assured an eland in 2 1/2 days hunting....... "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Good question Boltshooter. Buying live game on an auction does not mean that the game are tame. They are WILD! South Africa perfected the art of Game Capture over the years. Normally, when animals are caught they get injected with a "long term relaxant" or stress reliever like Haloperidoll. This is needed to calm them down during transport. When animals are caught, they are chased into a boma and straight into a game truck and transported imediately so as to minimize stress. Stress kills them faster than any other factor. When they get off the truck on the new property they will appear tame because of the relaxant. It wears of in 10 - 14 days and then they will be true to their own self except for any sound that resembles a Helicopter. They are shit-scared of that sound if they were caught once. Them and their offspring are as wild as any game in any open concession. It is well known in South Africa that if you hunt on foot on a small property 1 000 acres and smaller that you will have a tougher time getting a good trophy because the animals know every escape route and will have you run around in circles the whole time. Fritz Rabe Askari Adventures & Fritz Rabe Bow-hunting | |||
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Fritz, I wonder if that is the same drug as Haldol? Interesting if it is! I've never run across 'tame' wildlife while hunting in RSA. If it wasn't for the game ranches there wouldn't be much hunting for the average wage earner to be had on the African Continent at all. It's my understanding these buffalo are more than likely free of disease which has been a hard fought victory for the RSA ranchers. Thus the high cost of stocking properties with buffs... Even better, these ranches have far and above prevented extinction of the wonderful variety of hoof stock to be found over there. ~Ann   | |||
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Thx aspen we as ranchers put in alot of money and time to try and get disease free buffalo and yes the price is way overboarrd but congrats to my family selling the cow.We trying to get buffalo hunting up to standards that was 30 years ago and believe me we going to hunt buffalo in 50 inches on free range farms. Im just saying well done and congrats SOUTH AFRICAN GAME RANCHER we getting slack everywhere from zimbos to leatherseat hunters but watch out maybe oneday SA only place to hunt. Luanp | |||
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Actually it is a cow (guaranteed pregnant) plus n calf making it 3 for R20m. Luan is Piet de Toit family? Dream it...Discover it...Experience it... Patrick Reynecke Outfitter and Professional Hunter Bushwack Safaris Box 1736 Rustenburg 0300 North West Province South Africa www.bushwacksafaris.co.za Cell: +27 82 773 4099 Email: bushwacksafaris@vodamail.co.za | |||
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Bushwack YES he is and a great guy. Luan | |||
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Hi Ann. Tame wildlife on SA ranches is a myth that we just came to live with. It was a story that came about from the open concession holders in Africa to market their places. Our company also holds open concessions as well as Game farms so I know. People think that because an area is fenced, that the game is either tame or that they do not have a chance if hunted. They do not think that most game species have a home range and it happens more often than not that it's natural home range is less than the size of the property. The one thing that is a HUGE plus to a hunter hunting on a SA farm is that the owner of the property has TOTAL control over the place and Government has almost no say. Not like in other countries where there are a lot of red-tape and a concession can suddenly be forced to close for a time. Also, the game can not move off/out of the area during a drought or some other reason and then the client sits in an area where there are no Buff or animal that he came for. I do not know many outfitters that will inform a client that there are none of the animals of his choice in the area at the moment and is willing to refund him his deposit. It is true: In a few years SA will be the only place left in Africa where there will be any hunting because of the Game Ranchers. Fritz Rabe Askari Adventures & Fritz Rabe Bow-hunting | |||
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http://www.citypress.co.za/Sou...l-loses-out-20120414 Buffalo soldier Cyril loses out 2012-04-15 10:00 Money was no object when the super-rich faced off on Friday night in a challenge to buy Africa’s biggest buffalo cow. But in the end, Cyril Ramaphosa was beaten by Jaco Troskie, son of Bloemfontein film magnate Boet Troskie, who paid a record R20 million for the buffalo cow – and her calf – at a game auction near Rustenburg. Ramaphosa bid up to R19.5 million, but decided to call it a day at that point. Earlier, as the figure approached R10 million, most of the bidders, who arrived in flashy cars and as many as 10 helicopters, started to quit. That left only three big guns – Ramaphosa, Troskie and Peter Bellingham, who paid a record R18 million for a buffalo bull called Senatla last year. Approximately 2 000 onlookers and prospective buyers burst into applause when the bidding reached the R18 million mark. But in the end, with a single, almost unobtrusive, gesture, Troskie indicated he would raise Ramaphosa’s bid by another half a million rand. Deal done. Now he is the proud owner of the biggest buffalo cow in captivity anywhere in the world, and her calf. Seller Piet du Toit burst into tears when the auctioneer’s hammer came down. “I put up for sale the animal with the best genes and hoped for the best, but this exceeds my wildest expectations,” Du Toit said. The auction was held on Du Toit’s farm and about 250 animals were sold. Troskie said R20 million was a bargain. “When the cow has four calves, I will already have got my money back,” he said. Ramaphosa said later that his budget did not allow him to pay R20 million for the cow. “I spent my budget on other animals. And, like any businessman, you must know when to stop,” he said. Du Toit said there was tremendous interest in scarce game because of their immense investment value. “The buffalo market in particular was made lively by people who went deeper and deeper into the bush to find the big bulls, and started breeding super genetics. “In the end, these animals are preserved for future generations,” he said. - City Press Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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This thread scared me. I thought it was about my ex wife! What a relief!  | |||
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I think you have all missed my point. My complaint was against the way in which game prices are being driven up by businessmen with no interest other than financial. It all crashes in the end. I am a proponent of hunting in SA and have no problem with fences high or low. Anyone who says game is tame behind a fence has never hunted what I call a typical ranch in SA. | |||
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LARRYSHORES, thanks for a great laugh. Approximate conversion of 20 million Rand = 2.56 million USD = 1.95 million EURO | |||
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Any pics of this "Supermodel"? Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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south african has some really great farms and even greater people. Luan is one of the best keeep up the good work buddy. SHABALALA rules!!!!! | |||
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Yes it does. We call it "Boom and Bust" here in the US. Sea Otter, Beaver, Gold, Silver, Lead, Gems, other minerals and mining, Lumber, Stocks, .com, mortgages, housing and recently, believe it or not, saddle hackle for the fashion folks. Yes, everyday regular saddle hackle sold for upwards of 900 bucks a back last year, that has also busted. There are not many industries that can withstand a purely financial run. | |||
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Pyamid schemes, pure and simple. Happened in the U.S. with ostritch and emu also Boer goats and a multitude of other commodities. The folks that got in on the ground floor made money, the tail enders lost money. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yep...I remember a newly hatched racing company in Va that did ostriches. Don't forget the sweet, soft animal that also suffered this fate..the alpaca... | |||
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I have to agree with Ann on this, the South African ranchers are doing a great job for the most part. Is the market too high, yes, will it come down? Yes. When it reaches saturation. I don't believe this relates to our Ostrich/Emu pyramid scheme at all........they where going to be the "meat of the future". These Buff are going to hunting ranches. The problem I see is waiting 10 or 12 years for a good mature trophy, that's a hell'uva time investment. . | |||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWILpdePvtQ Link to the auction of the Senatla bull. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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JTEX, I hope you are right with your assessment of the situation, but somehow when people are offering hunting for cow buffalo at $2900.00, something seems amiss. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I can see that kind of money for a bull. With AI you could spread his genes into a whole herd in 1 year. A cow is a once a year proposition, doesn't sound like such a good investment. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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To put this into Dollar terms... 1 ZAR = 0.128019 USD says the web as of tonight. Thus 20 Million ZAR = $2,560,200 USD Sincerely, E Pluribus Unum - where out of many, we will become one. | |||
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Knock off a decimal point and it might be more realistic figure at $ 256,000.- (1USD = 7.958 ZAR) | |||
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Sorry fujotupo but Virginia C was correct. It is $2,560,200. Fritz Rabe Askari Adventures & Fritz Rabe Bow-hunting | |||
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Do they do embryo transfer on a Cape Buffalo?? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I guess congrats to my family will be in order too...   Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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The Doctors in the 70's and 80's would inject Haldol into PCP drug overdoses to calm them down. | |||
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I never said she wasn't - a realistic figure even though on the expensive side would be 250,000$ but 2m$ seems rather far fetched for a cow buffalo - don't you agree? | |||
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Sorry about that. Then I misunderstood you. Fritz Rabe Askari Adventures & Fritz Rabe Bow-hunting | |||
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Blacktailer, if the cow is disease free and of good stock, the calves she has every year will not all be females! At least 30% of her calves will be male and if they have a quality bull as well in seven to ten years the quality offspring will be spreading quality blood line in the herd, and the song goes on! Good herds are not built over night, just ask any cattle rancher how long it takes to build a blood line that sells for premium prices for breeding stock. ............................................................................................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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It does not help to put a 50" bull with a cow that has bad genes. The bull contributes only 50% of the genes. A good bull with a good cow guaranties good offspring and the calves can be sold at a premium price while still young and you do not need to wait for them to grow older before you can see their potential. Fritz Rabe Askari Adventures & Fritz Rabe Bow-hunting | |||
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At $2.5M, someone got "sold the cow" alright! And for the folks saying that SA will be the ONLY place where hunting is allowed in a few years, well I wouldn't buy that "cow" either! | |||
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Jes too much bull for me. | |||
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Right Mac, I was in the cattle business for 40 years. Just saying it's a lot easier to spread the bull than spread the cow  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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