This was my first year to go to SCI.
I have gone to DSC for many years.

Many of the same exhibitors that "do" DSC do SCI.

However, I saw many exhibitors at SCI that do not "do" DSC.

While I do not see the logic in SCI comming to Dallas, IT would be less of an expense for those doing DSC and SCI if both were in Dallas, but the attendence of both shows would suffer IMHO.

I did notice a lot of people at SCI from Calif, Oregon and Washington....

Weather at that time of year [Feb] is a consideration.

If SCI wants to move I think Atlanta or Florida would be a good choice, both have the facilities for a BIG convention and usually good weather in Feb.

DSC is moving to the Convention Center because it is a bigger facility.

Judge - While your character, motives, and influential powers are immpecable, your request for monetary funds will most likely be ignored. It's the ecomomy thing you know.

You should be able to get the Pres. (SCI not Obama) by calling SCI headquarters in Tucson, AZ. Good luck, as we all would like a little more in the way of facts vs fiction on this one.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I am an extremely influencial power in the hunting community. I often channel with F.C. Selous and J.A. Hunter (and sometimes with Shootaway, too). My character and veracity are unimpeccable and pretty damn mystic.

Somebody give me the name and address of the President of SCI and I'll write the dude and he will immediately tell me the truth about the move. Or, I'll put the whammy of Shirley MacLaine on him. Do runnday runnday, do runnday doo.

To finance this inquiry, I will need an assignment of all your stock in the National Bank of Nigeria. Please e-mail me with detail

While you are at it, I have a NIB royal grade H&H .450 N.E. for sale for $4500 but would take a trade with a 21 day safari to Tanzania. Buyers will have a three day inspection immediately after my demise.

Seriously, SCI does a lot of good. I've been a member, on and off for 30 years, have been published in the magazine, used their insurance for my firearms and visited the show. I just would like an address to which I could send an inquiry and (hopefully) get a straight answer.

Larry, may be able to get the Executive Director there but I doubt the President of SCI spends his full time at the headquarters.

Posted Feb 2, 1:41 PM Hide Post
"What would be wrong with Phoenix or Tucson?? Both are easy to get into/ out of, are both well located, have wonderful weather during that time of yr, plenty to do outside of the convention, etc...Hell, the office and museum of SCI is right here in Tucson!!If I was to put to the task of choosing a city for 2013, my overall #1 pick would be San Diego. San Antonio is another great choice, but I still think its too close to Dallas for comfort."

Scottyboy:

Phoenix and Tucson do not have venues and infrastructure large enough to host SCI's convention now, and certainly not a convention as large as SCI can grow to be.

I suspect SCI is leaving Reno because that city's officials have decided not to expand the Reno/Sparks convention center as they had earlier announced they would.

If I were an SCI leader, I also would be looking for a new place to accommodate the long list of businesses that want to exhibit at SCI's shows and can't because of lack of space.

The convention center in Dallas is large enough, but so are those in some other cities. Problem may be that such places are booked many years in advance and only Dallas is open in 2013.

Union rules and union charges that drastically cut the club's profits -- as well as a pile of complaints about the unions from dozens of long-time exhibitors -- are why SCI left Las Vegas back when I still did work for the club years ago.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Problem may be that such places are booked many years in advance and only Dallas is open in 2013.
Bill Quimby

Bill

Any clear thinking person with decision making authority should view Dallas as "permanently taken" as it is the home of DSC. Do you see DSC moving to Reno (or anywhere else for that matter) for whatever reason? Dallas should never even been viewed as an option, unless of course, the SCI guys are playing "silly buggers" and want to prove a point with some egoistic power play which can only be to the detriment of the hunting community. The planned move to Dallas is a stupid one. Period.

I am confused as to how an organization as "stupid" as SCI with so few members 52,500 can raise sooo much money and do sooo much for hunters. Yea Yea poor africa.

I think too many of you are missing the point about SCI and their convention.

1.) SCI is out growing Reno, and Reno will not expand to accommodate them.

2.) Las Vegas is not a great place to host the SCI convention. The venues are much more expensive, and unions make things difficult, as well as more expensive. Attendees spend too much time on the strip and at the tables for the exhibitors liking.

3.) SCI needs needs an alternate venue. Pick one, Einsteins! Do you want to go to Chicago in January? NYC? San Francisco is a nice city. How do you think all of us would be welcome in the Land of Pelosi and Gavin Newsome's same sex marriages? Hell, SF won't even let the Marines recruit there.

Let me put you on the board for a moment. Find SCI a city that has a venue big enough to a.)accommodate the convention,
b.)is affordable to SCI and the attendees,
c.)is convenient to travel to for those domestic as well as those from overseas.
d.)Let's find a place that is hunter friendly while we're at it. We don't need protests and bad local media coverage.

I come up with only three cities: Atlanta, Orlando, and Dallas.

If you use a little logic, you can see that this is probably not a move to screw DSC, but a move mandated by the growth of SCI. Atlanta and Orlando are capable of hosting the convention, and the Africa crowd flying in, but not convenient to the west. That includes the outfitters in the Rocky Mountain states that usually drive to Reno.

If you can find two other cities that meet all the above criteria for the SCI Show, then I'll jump on the conspiracy theory that SCI is out to destroy DSC. I don't see it.

You know when I first heard that SCI was coming to Dallas I was thrilled. I've always wanted to attend the (BIG SHOW). I'm a second year member of DSC as I've only had the "Hunt the World" bug for a couple of years.

How great for my wife and my self to attend DSC one week then SCI. I was about to become a member of SCI, but then I hear about this no compete clause. If they are going to keep us (DSC) out of the convention center two prior then for better or worse the SCI has lost a new member.

My question is why does the SCI convention have to be in the West every year??? Hell, I belong to the largest SCI chapter in the USA the Lehigh Valley Chapter... There are enough large
convention sites in Pa.... The State Farm show arena Complex is larger then the Sparks convention center in Reno...
I think it is time to get real and not selfish... Hell, another point the top award to a hunter and he was from New Jersey...
Even Virginia would be an very nice location

Mike

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Originally posted by 450/400 Jeffrey's:
Pick one, Einsteins!

Find SCI a city that has a venue big enough to a.)accommodate the convention,
b.)is affordable to SCI and the attendees,
c.)is convenient to travel to for those domestic as well as those from overseas.
d.)Let's find a place that is hunter friendly while we're at it. We don't need protests and bad local media coverage.

I come up with only three cities: Atlanta, Orlando, and Dallas.

If you use a little logic, you can see that this is probably not a move to screw DSC, but a move mandated by the growth of SCI. Atlanta and Orlando are capable of hosting the convention, and the Africa crowd flying in, but not convenient to the west. That includes the outfitters in the Rocky Mountain states that usually drive to Reno.

If you can find two other cities that meet all the above criteria for the SCI Show, then I'll jump on the conspiracy theory that SCI is out to destroy DSC. I don't see it.

. . . San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver to name several others. The ones you mentioned plus these gives you six choices besides Dallas. Don't be naive, their motive in coming to Dallas can hardly be pure.

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Originally posted by gunny:
I drive over the mountains every year. If they move I just wont go. No great loss to them Im sure. I dont patronize the dinners or awards, thats for the hollywood types. I just go to book hunts and I can do that on e-mail.

same with me. 5 hours of driving puts me in Reno at the convention center. i get in for free with an exhibitor's pass. my buddy is a member of PHASA and gets a discounted rate for us at the Silver Legacy( GREATLY DISCOUNTED). when SCI moves, i will stay home. just not worth the extra money and effort. however, i doubt SCI will miss me. email is free and hunts are easy to book online

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
mrlexma - you raised another thought in my mind (??), what's left of it. It seems funny that most here have no problem when it comes to laying out $800.00 to $1,500.00 per day for their hunts, but whine beyond belief when going to a Show is $200.00 per day. This is where we put a lot of our hunts together, get to see unlimited numbers of outfitters, talk one on one with the people we will hunt with, get to see and buy all the great equipment we need/want.

Sure hope WalMart doesn't start charging an exorbitant entrance fee so I can buy stuff off the shelves.

If Walmart thought there were people who would pay a large sum of money just to get inside the door and spend their money or to look at the products on display, they would not hesitate to do so. As long as there are people who are willing to do this, it will continue to exist. SCI has been able to do this, so they continue.

I very seldom find anything of worthwhile value or quality wise at Wal-mart so doubt that they could not charge addmission to look over their Made in China merchandise plus never seen any evidence of them having a booking agency for any type of hunt.

Comparing Wal-mart with the SCI Convention is a real stretch. Obviously someone has never been to the SCI Convention??

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Outdoor Writer:

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
mrlexma - you raised another thought in my mind (??), what's left of it. It seems funny that most here have no problem when it comes to laying out $800.00 to $1,500.00 per day for their hunts, but whine beyond belief when going to a Show is $200.00 per day. This is where we put a lot of our hunts together, get to see unlimited numbers of outfitters, talk one on one with the people we will hunt with, get to see and buy all the great equipment we need/want.

Sure hope WalMart doesn't start charging an exorbitant entrance fee so I can buy stuff off the shelves.

No. it isn't really.

I am sure you have much more experience in this area than I do, but the thing I notice about DSC, is that their doors are open to everyone.

SCI caters to a certain level of affluence, and is not real keen on letting people below that line in.

If you feel that I am wrong in that assessment than I apologise, but, the fact is, that if room is not made for the average citizen, that may not be able to consistently afford the higher end hunts and such, but can afford an occasional hunt or two, than hunting as we know it is in worse shape than many want to believe.

In the long run, it boils down to numbers, not $$$$$, if fewer and fewer people pay to go on hunts and support such organizations as SCI or DSC, than hunting is going to die.

This bull shit of hunters dividing up into camps or cliques ain't do one damn thing but hurting hunting and hunters in the eyes of the public.

Re Wal Mart.

Umm, what do you call Sam's Club?

Pay to go in.

Still mostly Chinese junk.

Having been to both conventions, I have to admit to being most comfortable with DSC's Dallas program. Easy, direct, and inexpensive flights; reasonable entry fees; attendance by all of the vendors that I wanted to visit with – in an environment that was less crowded and far more personal.

For example, my wife and I were able to meet with folks like Ivan Carter and Craig Boddington (along with the principals of the various safari outfits we were there to evaluate) without a wait of more than five minutes. We were able to get everything done in an afternoon and a morning, something that would be impossible at SCI.

Being a member of both organizations – though by no means with the vast experience of most on this board – I have to acknowledge that I'm troubled by what appears to be petty politics by SCI's board. The strong arm tactics applied against even the smaller vendors to contribute items for auction; the apparent refusal to allow Rowland Ward to display at Reno reputedly because of their ties to DSC; and now what can only be seen as an attempt to crush the DSC's largest revenue source: their annual conference.

I don't for a moment discount what SCI does for hunters here and abroad; but that SCI doesn't respect DSC for its efforts in a common mission causes me to wonder what their principle mission truly is. Do they exist to support hunters' rights, or more darkly to being the sole representative of the hunting community? SCI and DSC are not Macy's and Gimbals, and we, their membership, need to convey to these organizations our expectations for their behavior.

As things stand now, I have to reluctantly throw my support to the Dallas Safari Club – with the hopes that Safari Club International will soon come to their senses.