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Is his primary function at Wolfe Publishing as a shit disturber? This issue he says the 9,3x62 with softpoints is a dead nuts Buffalo stomper, but his friend's 577 NE isn't. I'd elaborate, but I don't want to encourage him anymore... Rich | ||
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Ganyana's opinions are simply that -his opinion- but, like so many of the folks at Wolfe Pub, they are based on years of experience and not conjecture. It would be very enlightening to have folks with similar experience levels - who have drawn different conclusions - to explain their views. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Ya gotta just make crap up as you go along just to sell copies every month! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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 ...........................  ........  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Maybe Ganyana is allowing for shot placement. I'd be pretty sure that, in most peoples hands, a 30-06 is a more lethal w1eapon than a 378 Weatherby. I've had to put a second shot into a kg fox hit in the hind quarters with a 470 and into a 2lb rabbit hit with a 375H&H 270gn spirepoint. mike | |||
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I had no idea that Ganyana had become a controversial gun writer. I always enjoy his stuff. I assume he has "been there, done that." There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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they need to change the name from Wolfe Publishing to Revolving Door Publishing with all the changes in the last 24 months. They've had more changes there than the average year old baby. Rich I just shuffled him over to the "Capstick Category". He makes more sense that way. | |||
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I would concur with 458Win here. It would be great to see the counter point to what was penned in Rifle by Ganyana pointing out the error in his article by those with equivalent field experience to base it on. Several thousand words on the Internet won’t cost near as much as it did on Paper so I am sure the webmaster won’t complain. It is always nice to read divergent views with well supported cases. dmw "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Can we get an AMEN? I doubt that more than two or three people who have ever posted on this forum have 1/10th the African big game hunting experience of Ganyana! So I too would love to see a rebutal of his writing by one of his REAL peers! People like Brian Marsh, or Richard Harlan (spl)who have the credability born by real experience! Of course it is anyone's right to disagree with even those who have far more expeirence than themselves! The weight of their opinions are far less credible without that experience,however. I for one would love to know what, spicificly, it is about Ganyana's article that anyone finds disturbing enough to bring on the condimnation of his writing, or of Wolfe publishing. .................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Haven't read it, as I stopped taking Wolfe magazines when Ross Seyfried left. It's hard to imagine, however, that Ganyana would suggest that - all else being equal, including bullet construction and shot placement - a 9.3x62mm is a better stopper on Cape buffalo than a .577 Nitro Express. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I agree with Will, most articles in magazines are written to sell magazines. They also cover readers with a wide range of knowledge and experience. It appears to me in rereading it that Ganyana says a good vital or CNS shot with a 9.3X 62 is better than a poor shot with a larger caliber. He also says soft points of today are better than softpoints of yesteryear and that if you want to use solids he suggests over 40 caliber. As far as experience goes it is just that. It can qualify someone as an expert or it can qualify someone as an experienced person with an opinion. Ganyana appears to have years of experience at African hunting, a Zim PH licsence and sits on a board that tests future PH canidates. Sounds like good experience, is he an expert - who knows. He writes a good article and the title of this one got me to buy the magazine at Gander Mtn. What else does a magazine want. BigB | |||
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he says that he would go Cape Buffalo hunting with a 9,3x62 with softpoints. Nothing about a backup with a real DG rifle, or solids. Secondly, as someone with is alleged qualifications; I would have thought somewhere along the line someone would have pointed out the fact that it's not a .375. IIRC, that is the minimum bore for DG in most countries. The article is contrived, not the sort of "round the campfire in the evening..." sort of thing one would expect from a PH. Worst thing, pretty boring... Any PH who could say, with a straight face, that six rounds from a 577 failed to anchor a Cape Buffalo has a dangerously incompetent friend. I'll keep stirring the pot, maybe I can sell enough magazines for Wolfe to turn a profit this issue. Rich Rich | |||
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"...double, double toil and trouble; fire burn and cauldron bubble..." with apologies to the Bard. Seems I have lost the point to this thread, however, what I seem to recall reading by Taylor, Boddington, Barnes and others is that the 9.3 and the 375 are ballistically just about the equal; i.e. if the 375 is adequate as a dg caliber, then is not the 9.3 adequate? | |||
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Surprisingly strong reactions to a rather bland article.  I bought the magazine because of the picture of the double rifle and the CAPE BUFFALO GUNS promo on the cover. To me, the article was a not unpleasant mixture of opinion and "war stories" used to approximate the authors point. Not bad, but nothing to rave about either pro or con. My major disappointment was that there was too little said about the interesting old double rifle on the cover. From a literary standpoint -Much ado about nothing. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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I have read this before about 9.3X74R and 375 H&H. I am no expert as I do not own a rifle in either chambering. Just looking at the ballistics tables, it would seem that there would be a difference. 9.3x74 muzzle energy about 3500 ft/lbs and 375 H&H about 4200 ft/lbs. 20% seems like a big difference. Go Duke!! | |||
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The high SD of the 286 gra 9.3 bullet at moderate velocity is in the "Sweet spot". Penetration is better than ME would suggest. ME favors high velocity rounds, and velocity does not make for penetration esp with soft nose bullets. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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I have not read the article, and certainly do not have Ganyana's experience with buffalo. However, having hunted buffalo for many years, and seen many buffalo shot by others. Buffalo are NOT bullet proof! The FIRST shot is most important, and where it is placed, not the size of the bullet or the energy level it generates. A well placed 308 Winchester bullet is much better than a magazine full of 577 T.Rex marginally placed. | |||
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I seem to recall that he has culled hundreds of buffalo with that 9.3x62. I think if he says he can hunt a buffalo with it, he can. How many buffalo have you killed to dispute his experiences? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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SD on 286 grain 9.3 is .305 SD on 300 grain .375 is .305 I still don't see how these rounds are equals. Same SD with 20% more muzzle energy....seems like the 375 would have significant advantage. 9.3 sweet spot sounds like the same sort "magical properties" wingshooters give the 28 gauge and 16 gauge. But again I don't own a 9.3 or a 375, so pay no mind to me. Go Duke!! | |||
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Go Duke!! | |||
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Don't know about the 9.3 as a buff caliber. But 458Win's first response began a side-bar with respect to Wolfe Publishing. So I'll continue: Are you kidding me? "...having hunted and guided on 5 continents" I believe one of their "editors" reminds us frequently. They've been caught in absolute hogwash so many times by their readers they don't even respond anymore. Arrogant, condescending drivel. 114-R10David | |||
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Hang him (ganyana) for such a blasphemy  how could he dare to say such things 9,3x62 is only good for plinking and smal game shooting.375 H&H is marginal for kudu and 458 wm has shown sign of impotence  that is why we needed 458 lott !!50 BMG should be the minimum DG kaliber. ask ladies abolut the seize if it matters or does not and you are going to be surprised of the answers  Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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Now we all need is inform the buffalo about all these figures! | |||
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Well, I must definitely hunt up a copy of this issue and read Ganyana's piece. I've pretty much given up on Wolfe lately. Too many "experts" posing outdoors with guns while wearing creased jeans -- or endless nicely lit studio shots of Remington Model 700s. Gad. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Grant it there are many factors to penetration, but????????? So a 500 grain .458 bullet at 1000fps penetrates as far as the same bullet at 2000fps???? Someone left the cap off the model glue.Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Maybe he was doing penetration tests on five inch steel plate or an ironwood tree  | |||
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I have not read the article but anyone who says the 9.3x62 is a buff killer is talking sh...t, regardless of whether he has shot 1 or 10,000 buffs. Well known history - Bell shot 1000+ eles with a 275 and smaller bores it does not make them ele killers. | |||
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This is all pointless anyway, as Ganyana is a fictitious character. He was generated as a hologram on Google with the help of Microshaft, writing for Wolfe by using a combination of publications from Mark Sullivan, the testimony of Craig Boddington's head tracker, and the lyrics of Bart Simpson's only top ten single. And besides that Ganyana is a Swahili word for buffalo dung. Go figure. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Hum…reminds me of the old arguments of which will kill a mule deer better…a .277” diameter 140gr SP out of a 270 Winchester or a .284” diameter 150gr SP out of a 7mm RemMag…yep that bigger belted case gives more velocity and greater energy to that .284” diameter 150gr SP so it just has to kill better. Change the bullet diameters, bullet weight, and bullet construction for the intended game...yep it sure sounds like that same old argument… Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I want to clarify what might be misunderstood in my earlier post on this thread. I did not intend to infer that anything Phil Shoemaker writes is hogwash. To the contrary. If I thought this about Phil I would say so. I do not. My reference was to other writers/editors at Wolfe. I stand by my original statement that much of what we read from these guys is arrogant, condescending drivel. 114-R10David | |||
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Hopefully at least not everything I write is anyway. Maybe we can get together with Ganyana in Reno and over a few brews exchange some real hogwash - or at least BS Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Im a good friend of ganyana and lately we have been hunting together ,with his trusty 9.3x62 mauser ,i can said that he has more experience on cape buffalo than any other living ph so if he states that the 9.3x62 is adecuate please trust him .juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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That may be pushing it just a bit, don't you think? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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.................... ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Rich, If you do not like the magazine or the management, why don't you cancel your subscription or , better yet - publish your own magazine and quote your experience and expertise so the AR readers can critique you. | |||
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Oh good grief. Even the football game tonight is more important, which is of less importance than anything I can think of. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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dogcat, following your logic: if you don't like what I posted here why don't you leave the forum and never come back? Moron... What I read is that the real or imaginary person says he is comfortable hunting Cape Buffalo with a 9,3x62 with softpoints. He also says a friend hit a bull solidly with six rounds from a 577 Double and did not anchor him. He appears from nowhere, and makes a horseshit statement with no data to back up his conclusions. Kevin Robertson, on the other hand; considers any 9,3 inadequate for Buffalo as a primary weapon and had autopsies and anecdotal data. Handloader and Rifle used to be the very best magazines out there. These days, they seldom have anything worth reading, except by Phil. I don't subscribe to Rifle anymore, and read it at the grocery store while the wife shops. Handloader arrives six times a year only because I am trapped by having all issues from number one to the present. A captive audience, if you will. Ganyana is shaping up, based on his body of work at Wolfe; as a shit disturber and manure spreader of Africana. I did correspond with five PH's I know personally and to a man they concurred that he must have had a deadline to get a paycheck and just shit the article. If it had come from the other end there would have been some rhyme or reason or semblance of organization to it. It's just D-U-M-B. Rich | |||
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I just read the article. It was a mere 4 rounds of 577 so I can believe that. If it was six then I would call BS too. I got it for the cover pic. Nice old double. Then I got to the article and puked a little in my mouth looking at the Remington with the old style Burris scope. A match made in heaven. Luckily the article made no reference to that gun. I thought it was a good read. I won't change my mind about buff though as I have yet to shoot one. I'm going to read some more. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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Idaho...Am quite happy you don't like my articles...but for the record.... Kevin Robertson likes the 9,3. The rilfe he bought (off a collegue) to lend to clients was a 9,3..with over 600 buff notches on the stock...Do a search of the forum and you'll find Kevin's exact statement. Kevin was so disapointed with the performance of the .375 compared to the 9,3 that he went looking for ways to improve matters...and came out to recomend using 350grn bullets in the .375. (but his loaner rifle is still a 9,3  ) All of the regular PH's in Bulawayo know the story of Clives close call with the buff- and that not only did 4 rnds of .577 fail to stop it, he got tossed and the new Westley Richards rifle broken into the bargin...Impressive- but not as impressive as Bill Felstien when he bought the very first .700 Nitro to Chirisa. That bull took 4 in the head and fell to the PH's .375... NB- the man who has shot more buffalo than anybody still living (except possibly Brian Marsh) is Steve Edwards. He uses a 7.62... IF the average client could actually shoot half as well as Saeed and were half the sportsmen Saeed is, the legal minimum for dangerous game would still be .318 (which it was when my dad took his professional Ivory Hunters License in 1945). Lack of shooting ability caused the British government to demand that the minimum was raised to .40 cal about 1955. Time constaints (which I fully understand) and the culture of hunting with a tape measure in ones wallet has pushed PH's to take increasing risks to secure good trophies. Sport has become subservient to 'trophies', In persuit of that 'record book animal' within the time deadline you let (get) the cleint take poor angle shots...you shoot out of herds, you follow animals into thick ´cover where basic common sense says,'wait for it to come out' and primarily- becuase the situation is less than ideal and you miss trust the clients shooting ability- that you always fling lead at what ever dangerous game animal your clients shoots at so that you don't have to follow a wounded animal -or worse, have one wounded and lost. If at the end of the day, I made you think, and, more importantly, made you get out and practice- from field shooting possitions not a bench, I will have done my job - both for the PH association and as a writer.... PS- no need to cancel subscriptions over me ...I am hardly a regular at Wolf publishing! For those who do actually like what I scribble....it Generally appears in African Hunter. | |||
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