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Originally posted by Hog Killer:

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
Looks like he's still got a soft boss...give him a few more years.

Keith, you and your bull need to kiss and make up. There's no point in taking such drastic action after just one little misstep on his part. I think there's a book out that can help you; it's called "The Bull Whisperer". Give it a try.

Forrest, those "bosses" damn sure did not feel soft to me.

I did whisper to him, "your dead".

Keith

Brian1, a bull has only one use in this world, that is to breed cows.

I was not trying to ride him, just keep him away from the 4 wheeler so he could not tear it up.

Things could havew been much worse. When I looked up after my landing, he had followed me and was again at only two feet away. With neck bowed up and still pissed.

Keith

may I chase him around the pasture until he's really pissed and then face him down with a 45-70? Be a reasonble test of stopping an enraged bull...hell I'll let one of the anti 45-70 crowd film it and post the footage here on AR to see if a 45-70 can drop a charging bull.

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Originally posted by ALP#4:
may I chase him around the pasture until he's really pissed and then face him down with a 45-70? Be a reasonble test of stopping an enraged bull...hell I'll let one of the anti 45-70 crowd film it and post the footage here on AR to see if a 45-70 can drop a charging bull.

Sure, just pay up before you get in the pasture.

Keith

I've heard Texans don't mind a fight. BUT A BULL!!! Keith, I think you bit off a bit too much. Over 8 times your weight is pushing the fun factor.
It should be a call for a "Lott" of back up next time.

Yeah Bruce, things did not go as planned. Or as they have in the past. I had always(in the past) been able to get my bluff in on him and make him back off. However on Fri the 13th......

Hope there is no next time.

Keith

PS: If I find my self having to deal with another bull that wants to act stupid. 500grs @ 2250 is worht more than a pound of cure. Cheaper in the long run too.

Darn sorry to hear this Keith

8 to 1, in texas, that's a fair fight... proof in the pudding, Keith .. er, walked.. away...

LOL.. anyone with balls bigger than the bulls? I'll give you 2 beers, 10 bucks, and a baseball bat to go see the bull!!

"let him choose how he dies"

I'll stand behind the lucky shooter and your PH and rattle a bucket of range cubes... oh, don't worry, I'll have a DGR with me, too...yeah, this is instigating a charge, but its an unwounded animal...

Heckling and talking smack are gratis to the winner!!

[QUOTE] [/ rattle a bucket of range cubes... ..yeah, this is instigating a chargeQUOTE]

Yeah, he likes the "cow candy".

Keith

Where is Ray? Maybe he'll rope him!

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
This picture was taken back in Feb., he has grown some more.



I will see about taking a current pic, pre-mortum/

Keith

Is this considered a PAC bull hunt? Are the horns exportable to Kentucky?

Yes this is a PAC situation. Unlike Africa, you can take it all home. The more the better.

Keith

Is the Bull still avaiable.......How would we laod him after the kill...........

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Originally posted by jwp475:
Is the Bull still avaiable.......How would we laod him after the kill...........

depends what you pay the skinners with.. i can bring a chainsaw to cut into handy chunks

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Originally posted by jwp475:
Is the Bull still avaiable.......How would we laod him after the kill...........

Yes.

If you want him in one piece, with a tractor. or he cut up into manageable chunks.

Keith

This whole thread is a disgrace.
Brian

People refer to the quality as a "sense of humor." As in not to be taken literally. It's what happens when too many good ol' boys have spare time on their hands. It usually ends when one of them steps forward and announces "Hey, y'all, watch this!"



Personally, I think the situation requires a call to Mark Sullivan ...

:P

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Originally posted by Allout:
This whole thread is a disgrace.
Brian

Allout,
What the heck did you do, sell your sense of humor on Ebay?

a_p. the offer is real. With a sence of humor.

This is an offer for someone who wants to test their self, rifle, ammo, etc. Stateside and for a small fraction of time and money(5%) of an African buff hunt. Either before going for real or as a "poor mans fantacy".

The end results, for the bull at least are going to be the same. He will either be shot in the pasture, or penned shipped and killed at slaughter.

Keith

PS: Allout, try a nother brand of "knickers" as your seem to be staying knotted up to much lately. Hope you find a brand to your liking.

No in actuality this thread is an exercise in the asinine that you hope to profit from and in the process; denigrate the traditions of true sportsmen. So you got tossed by a cow. You want retribution. Hell I don’t blame you. Man up and shoot the damn thing yourself if you want to see it die for its transgressions. What you are doing is making a mockery of the sport of Cape Buffalo hunting. And last I checked this really has nothing to do with African hunting in the least other than you added the little part about load testing, which is “bull†anyway. This isn’t an African animal, Texas isn’t by any stretch of the imagination Africa and you certainly aren’t a PH.

Keith I have no problem with you personally, but this is ridiculous. Nor have I attacked you personally. Nor do I intend to. But come on man. Go back and look at the ridiculous nature of the thread. In no way does anything posted here make it easier for hunters to defend their time honored traditions to the greenies. I was wrong in posting what I did. I apologize for that. What I should have posted was that this thread is degrading.

As far as your remark directed to me, I am going to let that go, this time. I am going to be the better man and not give it in to the temptation to tell you exactly how I feel about your posts here, because it really doesn’t matter. You don’t care what I think and I don’t care that you don’t care. It would be an exercise in futility for me launch a personal attack back at you.

I have said what I wanted to say and well…that is all I have to say on the subject, take it for what it is, which is just one man’s opinion and that coupled with about $.50 will get you a half-fresh cup of coffee in a local diner.

Brian

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Originally posted by Allout:
No in actuality this thread is an exercise in the asinine that you hope to profit from If you think that a $1,000 for a breeding bull is going to make a PROFIT, you know nothing about the beef industry and in the process; denigrate the traditions of true sportsmen.How? So you got tossed by a cow. You want retribution. Hell I don’t blame you. Man up and shoot the damn thing yourself if you want to see it die for its transgressions.If I have to, I will. After my strunum heals up. What you are doing is making a mockery of the sport of Cape Buffalo hunting.I never said this was the same as HUNTING cape buffalo. I never said this was a hunt, read the thread title again. It says "Bull Shoot" And last I checked this really has nothing to do with African hunting in the least other than you added the little part about load testing, which is “bull†anyway.Bullets going into simular sized bovines will act in a simular fashion This isn’t an African animalNever said it was, Texas isn’t by any stretch of the imagination AfricaNever said it was and you certainly aren’t a PH.I never claimed to be a PH
...........
Brian

Keith

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Originally posted by Allout:
No in actuality this thread is an exercise in the asinine that you hope to profit from and in the process; denigrate the traditions of true sportsmen. So you got tossed by a cow. You want retribution. Hell I don’t blame you. Man up and shoot the damn thing yourself if you want to see it die for its transgressions. What you are doing is making a mockery of the sport of Cape Buffalo hunting. And last I checked this really has nothing to do with African hunting in the least other than you added the little part about load testing, which is “bull†anyway. This isn’t an African animal, Texas isn’t by any stretch of the imagination Africa and you certainly aren’t a PH.

Keith I have no problem with you personally, but this is ridiculous. Nor have I attacked you personally. Nor do I intend to. But come on man. Go back and look at the ridiculous nature of the thread. In no way does anything posted here make it easier for hunters to defend their time honored traditions to the greenies. I was wrong in posting what I did. I apologize for that. What I should have posted was that this thread is degrading.

As far as your remark directed to me, I am going to let that go, this time. I am going to be the better man and not give it in to the temptation to tell you exactly how I feel about your posts here, because it really doesn’t matter. You don’t care what I think and I don’t care that you don’t care. It would be an exercise in futility for me launch a personal attack back at you.

I have said what I wanted to say and well…that is all I have to say on the subject, take it for what it is, which is just one man’s opinion and that coupled with about $.50 will get you a half-fresh cup of coffee in a local diner.

Brian

Allout I just one question for you. How is it any different than killing a meat hog out of a hog lot?

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Originally posted by Allout:
...Keith I have no problem with you personally...take it for what it is, which is just one man’s opinion and that coupled with about $.50 will get you a half-fresh cup of coffee in a local diner.
Brian

Brian

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
a_p. the offer is real. With a sence of humor.

This is an offer for someone who wants to test their self, rifle, ammo, etc. Stateside and for a small fraction of time and money(5%) of an African buff hunt. Either before going for real or as a "poor mans fantacy".

The end results, for the bull at least are going to be the same. He will either be shot in the pasture, or penned shipped and killed at slaughter.

Keith

PS: Allout, try a nother brand of "knickers" as your seem to be staying knotted up to much lately. Hope you find a brand to your liking.

Keith,

You are 100% right on this; the end result for the bull will be the same...........so if someone shoots him at home on his turf, he'll be less stressed and his death will be more humane than sending him to an abattoir.

And it's been a very funny thread.......why do some people have no sense of humour

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Originally posted by Allout:
This whole thread is a disgrace.
Brian

and thanks for contributing to it. Perhaps you didn't mean "disgrace", perhaps you MEANT "distasteful to me"... the later is non-judgemental.

Since you think its a joke, you have OBVIOUSLY never been tossed by a bull. One is JUST as dead if the domestic bull tosses then leans on you ... 1200-1600# bearing down on a human still kills him...

$1000 for a bull? "making a profit" ... why do you make this crap up and get pissed about your OWN assumptions? a 1600# bull will go for more or less (probably slightly more) at auction.

GET OVER IT

On a lighter note, I will pay you $10/min for every minute you stay in a 100X100 enclosure with said bull (alive and unrestrained) and you attempted to stay within 10feet of him, for up to 1 hour

all you have to do is hold a rag... if you let go of said rag, the bullet to kill the bull will cost you $1000, even WHEN you are unconscious.

See now I was going to let this go. But, it is sort of a slow day and well, the more I thought about this, the more I thought what the hell, you guys probably need to beat on your chests some more and claim you have an overabundance of hair on your ass.

Jarrod, in response to your question, the difference is that Keith has decided this bull dies because it tossed him, not because he wants the meat. Hey more power to him, I would probably want the damn thing shot too. Only difference is, I would shoot it myself. I sure as hell wouldn’t post it as a sale item on an African Hunting forum. My issue isn’t the impending death of the bull – I could give a shit one way or the other if it lives or dies.
My issue is with how it is being presented. And it is my issue – Not that big a deal really. But he did post it on an open internet forum so therefore I get the opportunity to voice my opinion, just as everyone else does. I didn’t figure it would be well received, but I had seen this topic bounce to the top enough.

Keith -
If you think that a $1,000 for a breeding bull is going to make a PROFIT, you know nothing about the beef industry – I don’t believe that a grand is any real profit in the grand scheme of things, but will you not pocket that money after someone pays it and put it in the war chest for future purchases?

and in the process; denigrate the traditions of true sportsmen. How? – Have you any idea how this would look to one of the PETA animal loving weenies? You are all but making their case that hunters are cruel heartless individuals who have no sense of sport or fairness when it comes to the death of an animal. That is degrading to our tradition.

So you got tossed by a cow. You want retribution. Hell I don’t blame you. Man up and shoot the damn thing yourself if you want to see it die for its transgressions. If I have to, I will. After my strunum heals up. – I would think that you would want to! Oh but you probably want to pocket that grand, almost forgot about that. If you were really mad and wanted it destroyed – you would have just said – hey guys come shoot this damnnbull and let’s have a cookout…please bring beer.

What you are doing is making a mockery of the sport of Cape Buffalo hunting. I never said this was the same as HUNTING cape buffalo. I never said this was a hunt, read the thread title again. It says "Bull Shoot" – it should say bull shit.

Jeffe –
“This whole thread is a disgrace.
Brian
and thanks for contributing to it. Perhaps you didn't mean "disgrace", perhaps you MEANT "distasteful to me"... the later is non-judgemental.â€

– I restated my position in an earlier post. Either post is judgmental – I meant for it to be.

“Since you think its a joke, you have OBVIOUSLY never been tossed by a bull. One is JUST as dead if the domestic bull tosses then leans on you ... 1200-1600# bearing down on a human still kills him...â€
– I am quite sure any animal who dedicates himself to the task can kill another, but no I have never been tossed by a bull. Not high on my list of things to experience. And I do feel for Keith and hope he makes a full, speedy recovery. That is not the issue. Nor do I think that his being injured is a joke. It is a very unfortunate incident.

“$1000 for a bull? "making a profit" ... why do you make this crap up and get pissed about your OWN assumptions? a 1600# bull will go for more or less (probably slightly more) at auction.†– As far as the money goes – see the section in response to Keith above.

“GET OVER ITâ€
– I was never under it. That was Keith – remember?

“On a lighter note, I will pay you $10/min for every minute you stay in a 100X100 enclosure with said bull (alive and unrestrained) and you attempted to stay within 10feet of him, for up to 1 hour
all you have to do is hold a rag... if you let go of said rag, the bullet to kill the bull will cost you $1000, even WHEN you are unconscious.â€
– Hmm, I have been looking for somewhere to take a vacation this year and I have always said I wanted to go to Spain and run with the bulls one day, but…I don’t think your 60 bucks will even cover the travel expenses.
How about this instead, why don’t you just give that money to your buddy Keith, shoot his nemesis for him and put an end to this whole charade? Everybody wins. Keith has a dead bull and a few dollars to boot, you can lay claim to being the great white cattle killer, applause will rain down, trumpets will sound and beautiful women will lay rose petals at your feet. Good times will be had by all.

“opinions vary?†– How True.

So in conclusion – “I have said what I wanted to say and well…that is all I have to say on the subject, take it for what it is, which is just one man’s opinion and that coupled with about $.50 will get you a half-fresh cup of coffee in a local diner.†– I am really done responding to this thread. Think ill of me if you will, I am sure you will. I guess I will just have to find a way to live with that.

Brian

- this smiley is too cool.

Brian,
You are right, 60 bucks wouldn't cover your travel... and 10 mins is about all one can take with an angry bull... hell, I don't think i could dance with him for more than that, these days.. and getting tossed once would be all I would stand...

which is my point... you made a pretty strong statement, but based it off opinion and assumptions...

here's the facts
getting tossed stucks
the bull is probably worth 1100-1200 at auction
someone might shoot it

the bull IS going to die next week, either someone shooting it or going to auction...

Now, if you don't like that someone might shoot it,well... there you go, your opinion....

however, if someone wanted to shoot it, not you, that doesnt' change the fact that the bull is toast, does it?

Allout people get killed by bulls like that every year. An aggressive bull like Keith's will kill you in a matter of seconds. My neighbor witnessed one kill a man at one of the local stock yards, literally a matter of seconds. A so called tame bull is as dangerous as about any animal I can think of, also some of the cows will dance on you also.

Rather someone shoots it or he takes it to the sale he will get a grand out of it regardless and at the sale I would bet he will get more than a grand out of it. So if the bull were a Hereford such would you still assume he was making a mockery out of cape buffalo hunting?
Point is without going on and on the bull is dangerous and it needs to be killed or taken to slaughter before it kills a human being.
And by the way imn not sure if you come up with 60 dollars because Jeffosso offered you $10/min for every minute you stay in a 100/100 foot enclosure and you feel that you could stay in their for 6 minutes. I would bet $20/min that you probably wouldn't last that long with said bull.
Have you ever been on a farm, do you even know what a bull looks, let alone seen one that doesn't want you around? My guess you are probably stuck in a cubicle somewhere or a nice little air conditioned office. and wouldn't know a brangus bull even if it tossed you.

By the way Keith I find this thread hilarious.

Many years ago iwas at a show and saw one of the Norwegian breeding bulls, that boy weighed 1400 kgs 2800 lbs, he remined me more of an gaur than an bull, he was kind, but since im from an farm they can be mean if they want to be.

You woundtl last minutes with one bull like that, you would last seconds, i was charged by a cow some years ago and i got kicked quite brutally by that cow,

Feral or Domestic, they can be even more vicious than wild bulls.

Thats probably why i want to hunt Scrub bulls and Cebues so much.

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
Many years ago iwas at a show and saw one of the Norwegian breeding bulls, that boy weighed 1400 kgs 2800 lbs, he remined me more of an gaur than an bull,

Got a picture of one of these beast?

Keith

chianina Largest cattle breed.

El, chianinas are Italian.

Keith

I guess that was confusing. I was just posting a big bull not the one mr rigby was referring to.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/NRF_Bull.jpg

here we have one thats nearly identical to the one i saw.

We havent bulls like that, they need special reinforced concrete barn floor, so we have milk cows, and clafs.

The bull is the Norwegian red Stock cattle, the Norwegian breed, but not the old classic types like Telemarks Cattle, Irish Long Horn, Higlander cattle, that the Vikings used also and legend has it, exported it to Irland and Scotland.

The Cebues cattle some claim is an leftover from the Aurochse, the bull that lived with the Mammoth ,. the last known of them died out in 1630 in Poland.

But other say that the Cebues arn`t of that line of bulles.

But some of those bull genes lives in the Waterbuffalo and African buffalo also.

How many of you gentlemen who see nothing wrong with shooting this Bull for a trophy fee of $1000 would be critical of a person who shot a fenced Lion in South Africa?

There is no difference. Is there?

Two entirely different things. Cattle are raised for slaughter. Lions are not. At least not in Western European culture. Others may feel differently. I hear lion is tasty. The "trophy fee" is revenue to a farm family in lieu of the equivalent money the slaughter house will pay. No one in the area will buy a bull to breed that tossed its owner and it is unethical to sell it elsewhere without reporting it. Like selling a "biter" dog without disclosure. As far as someone willing to pay $1000 for the job of slaugherting their own beef, I have no problem with that either.

I suppose this would draw less fire in the "Ranching Forum" but we don't have one.

mr rigby, thanks for the link.

Well, it looks like the bull is headed for the sale barn. So, after I heal up some more and it dries out enough to get the trailer to the catch pen. I will try to get him loaded and not get maimed, again.

Keith

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/NRF_Bull.jpg

here we have one thats nearly identical to the one i saw.

We havent bulls like that, they need special reinforced concrete barn floor, so we have milk cows, and clafs.

The bull is the Norwegian red Stock cattle, the Norwegian breed, but not the old classic types like Telemarks Cattle, Irish Long Horn, Higlander cattle, that the Vikings used also and legend has it, exported it to Irland and Scotland.

The Cebues cattle some claim is an leftover from the Aurochse, the bull that lived with the Mammoth ,. the last known of them died out in 1630 in Poland.

But other say that the Cebues arn`t of that line of bulles.

But some of those bull genes lives in the Waterbuffalo and African buffalo also.

That bull certainly looks like a gaur. Damn!!

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Two entirely different things. Cattle are raised for slaughter. Lions are not. At least not in Western European culture. Others may feel differently. I hear lion is tasty. The "trophy fee" is revenue to a farm family in lieu of the equivalent money the slaughter house will pay. No one in the area will buy a bull to breed that tossed its owner and it is unethical to sell it elsewhere without reporting it. Like selling a "biter" dog without disclosure. As far as someone willing to pay $1000 for the job of slaugherting their own beef, I have no problem with that either.

Hardly. There is no difference.

A Texan raises Beef for sale to support his family. For slaughter.

A South African raises Lions for sale to support his family. For slaughter

Both advertise them to someone who wants to shoot them.

If they can't be sold for sport they are sold wholesale to someone else.

Both are a cash crop for the Rancher.

Absolutely no difference.