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Originally posted by larryshores:
I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan regarding the hunt won by Pagosawingnut for the benefit of Stu Taylor. He was both a gentleman and pretty funny. I can't wait for next week when the hunt takes place.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan regarding the hunt won by Pagosawingnut for the benefit of Stu Taylor. He was both a gentleman and pretty funny. I can't wait for next week when the hunt takes place.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
"...I know that Mark enjoyed the method and manner in which he and Patrick hunted and killed that lion. The days of tracking, viewing, confronting, challenging, and inviting were all aspects of that hunt that were enjoyed. All of the things that contributed and made this particular hunt for Mark enjoyable..."

Fits right in with all the "make believe" he shows in his films.

And the gullible swallow it all

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Originally posted by npd345:
I just watched the YouTube clip; unfricking believable.

"one of the most exciting hunts of my live"

that after shooting a lion that should of been hunted at a weightwatchers meeting!

I do not have a problem with a caged lion hunt; if you know what you paid for and don't represent it as more than it is.

But considering Mark's career I would have to hope this was way down on his "exciting hunt list" and by saying it one 'of the most" he is greatly misrepresenting this hunt.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
"...I know that Mark enjoyed the method and manner in which he and Patrick hunted and killed that lion. The days of tracking, viewing, confronting, challenging, and inviting were all aspects of that hunt that were enjoyed. All of the things that contributed and made this particular hunt for Mark enjoyable..."

Fits right in with all the "make believe" he shows in his films.

And the gullible swallow it all

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan regarding the hunt won by Pagosawingnut for the benefit of Stu Taylor. He was both a gentleman and pretty funny. I can't wait for next week when the hunt takes place.

I know that it is unfashionable not to bash Mark, accusing him of everything from causing the impending downfall of hunting to being the man secretly orchestrating Obamacare, but let me give you another example of what Larry is talking about. I sent Mark a note this morning asking him to do something to help out our local safari club chapter. He responded in minutes saying he would be happy to help out with what I requested. I feel that I am not going too far out on a limb to suggest that the reality is that he is far more the gentleman than many of his detractors.

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Originally posted by npd345:
I am referring solely to the hunt, in South Africa, as shown in the YouTube Clip of the fatso lion. He is the "client" of the company that is presenting the clip as an advertisement for their services.

also I misquoted Mark from that clip.

The statement I took offense with was; one of the "greatest hunts" of my live, not exciting hunts of my live.

I have corrected the original post.

This to me is actually worse.

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quote:So just out of curiosity……….. since these posts are obviously designed by an individual to sell something, why are they allowed in the general topics and not required to post in an appropriate for sale section? Skyline, I understand your question.We need this to stay in this section otherwise we would miss out on tons of BS & pissing & moaning that goes back & forth here on ANY thread about MS

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:

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quote:So just out of curiosity……….. since these posts are obviously designed by an individual to sell something, why are they allowed in the general topics and not required to post in an appropriate for sale section?
Skyline, I understand your question.We need this to stay in this section otherwise we would miss out on tons of BS & pissing & moaning that goes back & forth here on ANY thread about MS

See what I told you, we'd missed out on all this if it were placed somewhere else.
GOTTALUVAR

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:

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quote:So just out of curiosity……….. since these posts are obviously designed by an individual to sell something, why are they allowed in the general topics and not required to post in an appropriate for sale section? Skyline, I understand your question.We need this to stay in this section otherwise we would miss out on tons of BS & pissing & moaning that goes back & forth here on ANY thread about MS

See what I told you, we'd missed out on all this if it were placed somewhere else.
GOTTALUVAR

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Yeah, that's right!! Ted Nugent is the bad guy in all this!!!

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Shawn
What does :0) mean?

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The clip that I have presented on my YouTube channel that you are referring to is a promo posted by me for Patrick James de Beer of Mugaba Safaris. The hunt content contained in that clip is excerpted from a RSA hunt that is featured in the DVD “Use Enough Death.” That is where the full hunt is featured in entirety.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Yeah, that's right!! Ted Nugent is the bad guy in all this!!!

No Matt, just showing the difference between a true philanthropist and Ted Nugent who is very commercial.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Yeah, that's right!! Ted Nugent is the bad guy in all this!!!

No Matt, just showing the difference between a true philanthropist and Ted Nugent who is very commercial.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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The clip that I have presented on my YouTube channel that you are referring to is a promo posted by me for Patrick James de Beer of Mugaba Safaris. The hunt content contained in that clip is excerpted from a RSA hunt that is featured in the DVD “Use Enough Death.” That is where the full hunt is featured in entirety.

What difference does it make?

He said the same thing, which means the same thing!

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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The clip that I have presented on my YouTube channel that you are referring to is a promo posted by me for Patrick James de Beer of Mugaba Safaris. The hunt content contained in that clip is excerpted from a RSA hunt that is featured in the DVD “Use Enough Death.” That is where the full hunt is featured in entirety.

What difference does it make?

He said the same thing, which means the same thing!

You would have to follow the thread Saeed where he stated that Mark is “is greatly misrepresenting this hunt,” which is inaccurate. The hunt was presented as a RSA lion hunt and not represented as anything else.

The hunt is presented in entirety in “Use Enough Death.” Obviously he has not seen the hunt but only the promo trailer. That was my point of clarification.

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Originally posted by rxgremlin:
Shawn,

As I have mentioned I don't have the DVD but is there anything about the footage to suggest that his remarks were taken out of context?

At first I accepted Mark's "let them choose how they are going to die" as part of his shtick. He is a showman and a self promoter and I can accept that. In this particular case he really "jumped the shark" by gushing about how great the lion hunt was. In my mind that crossed the line from being entertaining to being duplicitous.

To answer Cal's question about why Mark get scrutinized "while other PHs get a pass" probably has to do with Mark's bombastic style. These are Mark's words and come from his second book "Fear No Death".

"I have always said that for most professional hunters to ever have hair on their balls, I would first have to sit them down in a chair and place a rabbit in their laps.
Personally, I don't think that there are enough hares in the world to go around." p. 25

"I remember thinking how good it felt to be charged. How wonderful that on this day-this bull was giving me his all. I remember looking over my barrels and placing the front sight
on the center of his brain and saying 'wait, wait still too far-wait until he gets really close, then bang him. A moment more, that's all I need' Then, the unimaginable happened, I
heard Rob's .450 explode and saw his bullet, not mine, take the bull between the eyes. I could scarcely believe my bad luck. I was so transfixed in the moment that I had momentarily forgotten
that Rob was even there. More out of frustration than anything I gathered my sight picture and shot the great beast between the eyes. But his head had already hit the ground; my shot
was of no consequence. Rob killed the bull fair and square." p. 136-137 (He took a client on his first day in Africa to hunt hippo with a borrowed rifle. Mark was disappointed
that the client killed him at 21 feet rather than 10.)

"I suppose it won't be long before professional hunters will be wearing lip gloss and nail polish" p. 152 (referring to using PAST type recoil pads at the range. He calls them "bras")


It may seem like I'm cherry picking these quotes but I'm not. The book is rife with them. Pick up a copy and read it for yourself.


I'm quite sure that Mark is a gentleman in person, he certainly was to me. He should be commended for his philanthropy here on the forum and elsewhere. I agree with him on some issues
and disagree with him on others. However some of his behaviors and statements are hard to swallow.

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Originally posted by rxgremlin:
Shawn,

As I have mentioned I don't have the DVD but is there anything about the footage to suggest that his remarks were taken out of context?

At first I accepted Mark's "let them choose how they are going to die" as part of his shtick. He is a showman and a self promoter and I can accept that. In this particular case he really "jumped the shark" by gushing about how great the lion hunt was. In my mind that crossed the line from being entertaining to being duplicitous.

To answer Cal's question about why Mark get scrutinized "while other PHs get a pass" probably has to do with Mark's bombastic style. These are Mark's words and come from his second book "Fear No Death".

"I have always said that for most professional hunters to ever have hair on their balls, I would first have to sit them down in a chair and place a rabbit in their laps.
Personally, I don't think that there are enough hares in the world to go around." p. 25

"I remember thinking how good it felt to be charged. How wonderful that on this day-this bull was giving me his all. I remember looking over my barrels and placing the front sight
on the center of his brain and saying 'wait, wait still too far-wait until he gets really close, then bang him. A moment more, that's all I need' Then, the unimaginable happened, I
heard Rob's .450 explode and saw his bullet, not mine, take the bull between the eyes. I could scarcely believe my bad luck. I was so transfixed in the moment that I had momentarily forgotten
that Rob was even there. More out of frustration than anything I gathered my sight picture and shot the great beast between the eyes. But his head had already hit the ground; my shot
was of no consequence. Rob killed the bull fair and square." p. 136-137 (He took a client on his first day in Africa to hunt hippo with a borrowed rifle. Mark was disappointed
that the client killed him at 21 feet rather than 10.)

"I suppose it won't be long before professional hunters will be wearing lip gloss and nail polish" p. 152 (referring to using PAST type recoil pads at the range. He calls them "bras")


It may seem like I'm cherry picking these quotes but I'm not. The book is rife with them. Pick up a copy and read it for yourself.


I'm quite sure that Mark is a gentleman in person, he certainly was to me. He should be commended for his philanthropy here on the forum and elsewhere. I agree with him on some issues
and disagree with him on others. However some of his behaviors and statements are hard to swallow.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Damn Saeed,

Tell us how you really feel. No quit holding back. Internalizing will just give you ulcers.

As I now understand this thread, you definitely don't want to hunt a lion with windshield wipers!!!

Jeff

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Damn Saeed,

Tell us how you really feel. No quit holding back. Internalizing will just give you ulcers.

As I now understand this thread, you definitely don't want to hunt a lion with windshield wipers!!!

Jeff

Jeff,

Just remember that none of us who find MS hunting style so obnoxious is fit to walk in his shoes.

Or so says some of his hero worshippers

And remember, if you have ever shot an animal further than 10 yards, it wasn't hunting either

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Hell Larry,

I like hanging around you and you don't even have to pay me.

Jeff

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You guys don't know how lucky you all are.I have been hanging around Walter for 35 years?He doesn't pay me either!!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Hell Larry,

I like hanging around you and you don't even have to pay me.

Jeff

Ya Saeed,

I definitely got the better of the two deals.

Jeff

You guys don't know how lucky you all are.

I have been hanging around Walter for 35 years?

He doesn't pay me either!!

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What if he was testing the market and putting the seed in the back of the minds of those who have hunted with him or aspire to hunt with him? Maybe he sees that the day is coming when wild lion hunts are not going to be available for his US clientele, and he is paving the way for an alternative business plan to retain that part of his client base.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
so in the full video of the RSA lion "hunt", he said it was one of the greatest hunts of his life? REALLY???

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
so in the full video of the RSA lion "hunt", he said it was one of the greatest hunts of his life? REALLY???

It may be the "greatest hunt of his life" as most of them seem a bit contrived, staged and otherwise "not hunts". Maybe this is his first "hunt" when the lion was not deciding how it would die.

I think that lion was looking for a place to take a nap after eating a little filet of eland or some such.