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Russ, I think the scenario you just laid out is unrealistic as a PH who can't speak any English probably is not going to come to SCI as an exhibitor. It would be a waste of their money as they wouldn't be able to talk to prospective clients. Are there any Afrikaans PH's that can't at least get by in English? If so I suspect they are very rare. I personally am not concerned if they talk about my shooting or anything else in private conversations in their native language but in a social situation such as cocktails around the fire, dinner and casual conversation on the Cruiser I expect to be included. I remember on my 1st Zambian safari with Arthur Taylor we met John Knowles on the road and stopped for a few minutes to chat. John had a German client with him and it became obvious the client had little if any English and John said as much. I remember thinking to myself that this guy had spent a lot of money and because he understood so little of the language that he was missing a good part of the total experience. This is exactly the same way I feel when PH's are running on in a language foreign to me. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I experienced #8 on my first trip to Africa. A young and talkative PH told me it was his practice that if he knew where a large buffalo was coming to drink he would save that animal for a fella on an elephant hunt as he would be expected to tip more. He told me lots of other stuff too that his boss probably would not want him to mention. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I'm pretty sure that I said "if they speak English" but just keep on justifying it all you like. I have never booked a hunt with someone who does not speak English. I understand that some of the staff may not. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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The worst part is us old hunters, who are half deaf! Driving along, one of the trackers said something, the truck stopped, and my PH jumped out and took the shooting sticks. I heard something which I assumed to be a zebra. I jumped out and loaded my rifle and followed him. The bush was quite thick, and we were looking into the sun in the afternoon. Alan put the sticks up, and I did as I usually do, get on them as soon as possible, and look through the scope. I said "where is he? I cannot see anything!" "Can't you see the horns?" "I thought zebras have no horns!" "It is a SABLE BULL!" It ran off. We ran after him. After a while, we saw him standing behind some bush. Alan put the sticks up again, and almost immediately the sable bull walked into a clearing, and I fired. "You did not wait for me to check him out!!" "It is a bull, and looked mature, and we might not get another chance at him! I like shooting zebras with horns!" Ebeneezer was laughing! | |||
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I thought the justification was "I am paying the (big) bill, so speak my language". But it seems the real justification is "I am an American, we are uneducated and speak ONLY English, so speak English damn you" Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Sorry Russ, you made wrong assumption...kinda bad in my book but if that is your opinion then maybe you are guilty of that This one has everything to do with communication and hunters inclusion in conversation in the course of the hunt " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I think it is extremely rude for staff members to talk a language the client cannot understand in his presence. Of course, the PH does talk local language with the trackers, and then communicates with his client. | |||
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First off, that is very funny, Opus! I am fluent in other languages than English. Many people are not comfortable communicating in a language that is not their first language. Especially an important topic or during stress. I get that. I often tell people that my wife and I need to talk in Spanish. Then I explain what we are discussing to those present in English. Does not bother me at all when people need to communicate in a language they are more comfortable using. However, I do agree that it is very rude when the locals are excluding guests and clients from the conversation during a social setting (such as around the camp fire) by only communicating in the local language. | |||
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An asinine, reductive, and pious comment. | |||
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In Afrikaans please, I don't understand such words. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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The original post is funny, mostly because it is true  | |||
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Buy a woordeboek. | |||
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Now you turn asshole Russ " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Van hulle is so swak opgevoed dat hulle nie eers ordentlike Engels kan skryf nie. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Solank hulle die punt kan tel en reg kan jag wie gee om as hulle kan skryf. | |||
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Here, jy word baie onbeskof. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Picu a sisky curaci " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Boys, boys, boys. Let the anti-hunters and low information voters eat each other! We're better than this. Besides, it takes me too long to look those words up. | |||
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And I see the stupidity of it all coming here too. Why are some of you posting in a language not many understand?? | |||
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Because some people have to be contrary old farts " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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All we hunters want to know on guided hunts is what’s going on during hunt Most of us been around the block and have had enough experience to at least be informed during the hunt and not be treated at times like dummies That at least PH’s and guides owe us as we keep them in business unless they all are independently wealthy and doing the guiding for sheer boredom " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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