Common PH and Tracker Exchanges

20 October 2019, 22:01

bob-mt

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:

lets use English as an example...no one is saying the ph talking to the workers in their language is bad....or talking to other phs etc is bad...

but they need to clue the hunter in as to what is going on.....and as Mark has said...at the dinner table...camp ...whatever...to not speak in the language of the clients...most of the time would be rude....like being in the usa but having to listen to Spanish constantly…...bob

So when an Afrikaans-speaking PH comes to the USA, spends tens of thousands of dollars to exhibit at SCI or DSC, must the airline stewardesses, the customs officers, the show organizers, taxi drivers, restaurant servers, hotel front desk people speak Afrikaans to them? And when these people are addressing others in the presence of the PH, must they speak Afrikaans to others as well?

20 October 2019, 22:25

MARK H. YOUNG

Russ,

I think the scenario you just laid out is unrealistic as a PH who can't speak any English probably is not going to come to SCI as an exhibitor. It would be a waste of their money as they wouldn't be able to talk to prospective clients. Are there any Afrikaans PH's that can't at least get by in English? If so I suspect they are very rare.

I personally am not concerned if they talk about my shooting or anything else in private conversations in their native language but in a social situation such as cocktails around the fire, dinner and casual conversation on the Cruiser I expect to be included. I remember on my 1st Zambian safari with Arthur Taylor we met John Knowles on the road and stopped for a few minutes to chat. John had a German client with him and it became obvious the client had little if any English and John said as much. I remember thinking to myself that this guy had spent a lot of money and because he understood so little of the language that he was missing a good part of the total experience. This is exactly the same way I feel when PH's are running on in a language foreign to me.

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20 October 2019, 22:43

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I experienced #8 on my first trip to Africa. A young and talkative PH told me it was his practice that if he knew where a large buffalo was coming to drink he would save that animal for a fella on an elephant hunt as he would be expected to tip more. He told me lots of other stuff too that his boss probably would not want him to mention.
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20 October 2019, 23:09

Charles_Helm

I'm pretty sure that I said "if they speak English" but just keep on justifying it all you like.

I have never booked a hunt with someone who does not speak English. I understand that some of the staff may not.

21 October 2019, 15:19

Saeed

The worst part is us old hunters, who are half deaf!

Driving along, one of the trackers said something, the truck stopped, and my PH jumped out and took the shooting sticks.

I heard something which I assumed to be a zebra.

I jumped out and loaded my rifle and followed him.

The bush was quite thick, and we were looking into the sun in the afternoon.

Alan put the sticks up, and I did as I usually do, get on them as soon as possible, and look through the scope.

I said "where is he? I cannot see anything!"

"Can't you see the horns?"

"I thought zebras have no horns!"

"It is a SABLE BULL!"

It ran off.

We ran after him.

After a while, we saw him standing behind some bush.

Alan put the sticks up again, and almost immediately the sable bull walked into a clearing, and I fired.

"You did not wait for me to check him out!!"

"It is a bull, and looked mature, and we might not get another chance at him! I like shooting zebras with horns!"

Ebeneezer was laughing!

21 October 2019, 18:20

Russ Gould

I thought the justification was "I am paying the (big) bill, so speak my language". But it seems the real justification is "I am an American, we are uneducated and speak ONLY English, so speak English damn you"

21 October 2019, 19:57

boarkiller

Sorry Russ, you made wrong assumption...kinda bad in my book but if that is your opinion then maybe you are guilty of that
This one has everything to do with communication and hunters inclusion in conversation in the course of the hunt

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21 October 2019, 20:02

Saeed

I think it is extremely rude for staff members to talk a language the client cannot understand in his presence.

Of course, the PH does talk local language with the trackers, and then communicates with his client.

21 October 2019, 21:14

SFRanger7GP

First off, that is very funny, Opus!

I am fluent in other languages than English. Many people are not comfortable communicating in a language that is not their first language. Especially an important topic or during stress. I get that. I often tell people that my wife and I need to talk in Spanish. Then I explain what we are discussing to those present in English. Does not bother me at all when people need to communicate in a language they are more comfortable using.

However, I do agree that it is very rude when the locals are excluding guests and clients from the conversation during a social setting (such as around the camp fire) by only communicating in the local language.

21 October 2019, 22:18

BaxterB

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
I thought the justification was "I am paying the (big) bill, so speak my language". But it seems the real justification is "I am an American, we are uneducated and speak ONLY English, so speak English damn you"

An asinine, reductive, and pious comment.

22 October 2019, 00:25

Russ Gould

In Afrikaans please, I don't understand such words.

22 October 2019, 00:39

MikeBurke

The original post is funny, mostly because it is true

22 October 2019, 01:49

BaxterB

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
In Afrikaans please, I don't understand such words.

Buy a woordeboek.

22 October 2019, 06:11

boarkiller

Now you turn asshole Russ

22 October 2019, 18:06

Russ Gould

quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Now you turn asshole Russ

Van hulle is so swak opgevoed dat hulle nie eers ordentlike Engels kan skryf nie.

22 October 2019, 19:29

buckeyeshooter

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Now you turn asshole Russ

Van hulle is so swak opgevoed dat hulle nie eers ordentlike Engels kan skryf nie.

Solank hulle die punt kan tel en reg kan jag wie gee om as hulle kan skryf.

23 October 2019, 00:41

Fjold

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Now you turn asshole Russ

Van hulle is so swak opgevoed dat hulle nie eers ordentlike Engels kan skryf nie.

Here, jy word baie onbeskof.

23 October 2019, 05:19

boarkiller

Picu a sisky curaci

23 October 2019, 05:36

Dutch44

Boys, boys, boys. Let the anti-hunters and low information voters eat each other! We're better than this. Besides, it takes me too long to look those words up.

23 October 2019, 18:01

Saeed

And I see the stupidity of it all coming here too.

Why are some of you posting in a language not many understand??

23 October 2019, 18:13

boarkiller

Because some people have to be contrary old farts

25 October 2019, 23:33

robncolorado

quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Kind of on the same subject. One of my clients asked me to ask the PH he would be hunting with what language he spoke to his trackers. He wanted to bone up on the dialect a little pre safari. I kind of knew the answer but followed through for the client as I always do. The response from the PH went something like this "He can't learn the dialect as there isn't anything written to learn. When talking with the staff I speak a mixture of English, Afrikaans and about 3 local dialects all at the same time." I Can't imagine trying to follow those conversations.

But I appreciated you at least asking Mark! Lol

Mark

26 October 2019, 03:06

boarkiller

All we hunters want to know on guided hunts is what’s going on during hunt
Most of us been around the block and have had enough experience to at least be informed during the hunt and not be treated at times like dummies
That at least PH’s and guides owe us as we keep them in business unless they all are independently wealthy and doing the guiding for sheer boredom