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Hey, they have to do something to try and sell their POS vehicles, why not pander to the animal rights crowd? Seriously, these vehicles are not very good; there are much better ones on the market. | |||
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Why does a Landi leaks oil? Too see that there are still oil in the engine, you only start worrying when there are no leaks. A Landi is a very good family car: Enough space in front for mom and dad and enough rattles in the back to keep the kids busy. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Buy a ford over here and a Toyota across the pond. DRSS Member | |||
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I love the Defender | |||
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me too, but you can"t buy them in the US Some crap about the pillar being too narrow. | |||
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Hmm, Ellen just bought her girlfriend one on tv  I think you have some Defender models there | |||
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Land Rovers don't leak oil....... they scent mark their territory!  Joking aside: You Americans build & have some fantastic trucks. I'm a big Jeep fan but one of my very favourite American trucks is the Dodge Rams.... I love'em to bits.  | |||
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 Tell you something... This girl takes me EVERYWHERE! So what if she leaks oil or if her mother company is now green? I love her to bits and she will probably live longer than what I will  Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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The best thing about them is they never die. They might get sick but they can always be resurrected & brought back to life...... I also think that in the correct hands, they're better offroad (even now) than pretty much any other 4x4 ever built. | |||
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Hey Wrenchmaster - you obviously know little about serious off road driving. With the odd exceptions such as the Rubicon Jeep and the Toyo FJ I doubt you could front up a standard production vehicle that could out perform most Landrover models. Your qualifications for declaring what constitutes a POS would have to be a reflection of the country you live in and the vehicles produced there - without doubt some of the most useless POS off roaders ever created. | |||
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Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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Almost all Ford 4-wd pick-ups will out preform the land-rover--every day of the week. Dont be up-set--its not your fault the don't know WTF you are talking about.  "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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The British, their guns are great, even over rated at times, their vehicles on the other hand are crap. | |||
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Sorry - my apologies. I didn't realize Ford made vehicles with coil springs that provided wheel articulation good enough to do more than jump the kerb at your local Walmart. The problem with many of you is that you don't have any experience with REAL off roading. Bouncing up and down rough roads is sissy stuff compared to what we do here down under. We NEVER see anything American other than tricked up Jeeps out in Landrover country. Knock yourself out trying to wind up us Landy owners - we're used to the great uninformed trying to tell us what they don't know. | |||
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Especially when you add a couple leaves to the rear suspension, have a Cummins under the hood, and slide a tiny weenie camper in there.  ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I own six FJ40's and a frame-off restored FJ45 with a one inch free floating rear axle. They have pulled many jeeps out of tight spots and their axles rarely, if ever, break, unlike jeep axles. You can't give a LandBlower away in my area. They are ALWAYS up for sale or "....trade for an FJ40". Just my experience. Dutch | |||
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Damn, son! You wash some bad vegemite down with Foster's this morning or something? I'd be pissed too. | |||
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I do not like the new Landi's there are too many gadgets and fancy stuff. The old Landis most probably gave you the best footprint and had the best articulation. In my younger days working in the mountains around Limpopo province the only vehicles that could negotiate the mountains was the Landi's and the Cruisers, the Ford F250 and alike was too long and heavy for the job. I still don't like the new generation Landi's. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Yes. That's why everywhere in Africa you meet Ford pickups offroad...  Seriously, offroad in the bush there are basically two vehicles left: Land Cruisers and Land Rovers. Land Cruisers are more reliable, Land Rovers are better offroaders - and easier to fix, which is good because they do need to be fixed... I'm afraid there is nothing built with a blue oval that would make it out there. | |||
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Dutch, That's great. I had to sell my 1979 FJ40 due to financial and time constraints. I kick myself everyday. I assume you are on ih8mud. If not, check it out. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Land Rover passed its prime about 15-20 years ago. but like a lot of us old farts, they make nice boulevard cruisers.... my first Zim hunt about 11-12 years ago was with a PH that had an old 1954 Landy short wheelbase that he had restored. we took off the top, dropped the wind screen, and removed the doors. NOW THAT WAS A PROPER HUNTING VEHICLE! I have some pictures but this was pre-digital days( 35 mm prints) and can't get them into my computer.Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Thats because you can't get the american made ones there-- those POS you have to drive because thats all you can get are ok--but aren't real vehicles anymore, sorry chum "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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Have you tried to change the clutch in it Chris? I helped a friend change his out in his '84 Defender and we had to remove all the bottom cabin interior just to drop the gearbox... the Brit's sure know how to design a vehicle that is over complicated - perhaps engineered by several separate committees!! Don't even get me started on the electrics - what an abortion!! Landcruiser is where it is at and will always be; at least while they still make the running gear and drivetrain (beyond the tansfer case) serviceable in the field. As for US made vehicles - they are fine and comfortable till you put two opposing wheels off the ground and watch the 'chassis' bend. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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(IMO) All the newer 4x4s that have all that electronic crap are a step backwards when it comes to long term use in Africa (which is why Africa is so littered with broken down Porch Cayennes) but when it comes to mudplugging and bushbashing in Africa, the older Land Rovers and Land Cruisers are the two best options by far. No doubt the Land Rover will break down more often but it can more easily repaired in the bush and it has the edge, albeit only slightly on the Cruiser when it comes to the real tough stuff. The worst thing about the land Rover is that bloody silly giant glove box they always fitted between the front seats and that forces anyone who isn't a walking skeleton to drive it with his elbow out of the window. Thry should never have fitted that damn thing between the two seats and instead should have moved the seats closer together and moved the steering wheel and pedals accordingly. They best thing about the Land Rover is the diff lock. Personally, If I were buying a 4x4 for long term use in a harsh African environment, my first choice would be an older Land Rover closely followed by an older Land Cruiser and my third choice would be a Jeep Wagoneer...... which although jucier and not quite as able, would at least be the most comfortable by a long chalk & big fat tyres combined with all that wonderful V8 power will pull you out of most things!  | |||
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Sorry boys I just had to  Best Regards Gerrit Jansen van Vuuren Bos en Dal Safaris www.bosendal.com Tel: +275158307 email: gerrit@ehw.co.za | |||
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   Reminds me of BMW : bring mechanic with,  | |||
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I've got quite a bit of offroad experience, perhaps more than you (perhaps, or perhaps not). I have worked in disaster relief overseas for many years and we had our share of Land Rovers, Nisans, Cherokees, and my favorite, Toyota Land Cruisers and Hiluxs. The Land Rovers, while capable offroad had a lot of slop in the drivetrain and were shoddily put together. By far, the Toyotas were a better option both offroad and from a reliability standpoint. Having said all of that, American fullsize 4x4 pickups serve a more utititarian function in many cases, so it is not really fair to compare them to a Defender or a Disco. However, try pulling a 10,000-lb trailer with your Landy while carrying a couple thousand pounds in the bed -- a similarly unfair comparison. Land Rovers aren't what they used to be. They are overweight (the new Range Rover weighs more than 6,000-lbs!!!!!!!! More than a fullsize 3/4-ton extra cab American pickup that will tow a house), full of gadgetry and luxury to a fault, and seemingly better on-road than off, nowadays. But, to each his own. I have owned exactly one Land Rover -- a Series II, and my offroader of choice now is a heavily worked over Samurai that will literally go wherever I point it. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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In fairness you can say that about pretty much every 4x4 being made today. The moment things like electric windows & computerised management systems were fitted the innate simplicity that made these vehicles so reliable in the tough stuff was lost.  | |||
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In most cases you are correct, however, the Wrangler Rubicons are pretty serious and probably the best choice with regards to a new offroad vehicle. There is too much emphasis on luxury nowadays. I like a vehicle I can hose out when the day is done. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I'll agree with that..... The Rubicon is a great piece of kit albeit a very expensive one. Spares would be a problem in most parts of Africa but they are helluva nice. | |||
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DCS: My partner and I buy and flip or restore. He is a walking encyclopedia of FJ's and yes, on IH8mud (where I purchased my restored FJ45 in Quebec) and other off-road sites. We sell a lot of parts and just decided to make it a dedicated hobby. Heard Spectre may be closing shop but have not qualified that rumor. Dutch | |||
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yup youre right Steve, its because they are so light. But I cant afford them, The mechanics Degree I will need to keep it going will kill me Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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Dave They're a bit like my old Jeep...... not much on 'em that you can't fix with a big club hammer and an adjustable spanner! | |||
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And a roll of duct tape...... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I have an 06 Jeep two door UL Rubicon. The last year they built the Straight 6, 4 Liter. In 4 low, diff locked with chains on either end I've pushed through 2 to 3 feet of snow up some the most horrible mountain roads you can imagine, it is pretty much unstoppable in snow, mud, rocks or whatever you want to throw at it. The thing is the most bomber factory 4wd, civilian vehicle ever built. Last time I was in South Africa I drove my buddies Defender 110 while I was there. I was a bit shocked at how it was put together. Pop rivets holding the body panels together and all. I did however like the general lay out and utility of the vehicle. All things considered if I was living in Africa my truck would be a Toyota FJ-70 series pick up. That is a solid piece of industrial strength iron. The land Rovers are kind of thin and "tin foily" in comparison. | |||
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Shakari: And these few years that I have been on AR, I thought you knew what you were talking about | |||
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Jason, I can't help it..... I just like 'em. I wouldn't swap my old Wagoneer for one but I do really like 'em! | |||
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Up through about 2006...a Dodge 3/4 or 1 ton 4-wheel drive with a manual tranny and a Cummins was one of the toughest vehicles on earth. I would match my 2001 hunting truck against any made. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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