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Tell you something... This girl takes me EVERYWHERE!

So what if she leaks oil or if her mother company is now green?

I love her to bits and she will probably live longer than what I will Wink


The best thing about them is they never die. They might get sick but they can always be resurrected & brought back to life...... I also think that in the correct hands, they're better offroad (even now) than pretty much any other 4x4 ever built.


yup youre right Steve, its because they are so light.
But I cant afford them, The mechanics Degree I will need to keep it going will kill me


You know what they say about the Land Rover, over 90% of all of those built are still on the road.

The other 10% made it home.

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Tell you something... This girl takes me EVERYWHERE!

So what if she leaks oil or if her mother company is now green?

I love her to bits and she will probably live longer than what I will Wink


The best thing about them is they never die. They might get sick but they can always be resurrected & brought back to life...... I also think that in the correct hands, they're better offroad (even now) than pretty much any other 4x4 ever built.


yup youre right Steve, its because they are so light.
But I cant afford them, The mechanics Degree I will need to keep it going will kill me


You know what they say about the Land Rover, over 90% of all of those built are still on the road.

The other 10% made it home.

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Hey, despite all the oil leaks, unreliability & even that bloody silly centre console, they can't be too bad. They did after all manage to conquer not only Africa but also half the world! tu2






 
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one of my very favourite American trucks is the Dodge Rams



Shakari:

And these few years that I have been on AR, I thought you knew what you were talking about Roll Eyes


Up through about 2006...a Dodge 3/4 or 1 ton 4-wheel drive with a manual tranny and a Cummins was one of the toughest vehicles on earth.

I would match my 2001 hunting truck against any made.


Skakari:

I am kidding you. Heck, the way you take care of that jeep, any vehicle you own might last a lifetime.

ledvm:

I agree with you. Dodge did make some great trucks. I owned a 2005 cummins which was a great truck. An older cummins motor is hard to beat.

I drive Ford but they about did themselves in between 03-10 (6.0 and 6.4's). Nothing but garbage. I tried the new 6.7 and really like it. However, I have only had it a year- time will tell.
 
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I know you were buddy! Smiler

The main reason my building project is taking so long is I decided to extend further & build a monster garage so I can keep my old Jeep warm & comfy in the cold winters here. Eeker

The car incidentally is the only one of it's type in the country & is registered as a car of historical interest to Portugal. Smiler






 
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I made 8 seasons hunting in Zimbabwe and being a confirmed car person I paid particular attention to the Vehicles used. I don't think I could give enough praise to The Toyota Cruiser as being the standard all other off road vehicles are judged by. I didn't see or ride in many Land Rovers but the old ones I did just seem to run and run and run and run. They never seem to be beyond repair and in Zimbabwe at that time they had to be as parts for anything were unobtainable period. Here in the States I have driven and had them all,Ford,Chev,Jeep and Dodge over the years and I can say a Dodge Ramcharger is pretty hard to beat in any category. My grandson drives a Cummins Diesel 1/2 ton and can't praise it highly enough and he produces his own fuel from waste cooking oils. He converted the Cummins and made the refining equipment also. I had a Dodge Ramcharger 440 Magnum and there was literally nowhere it wouldn't or couldn't go. It also had the most room in it of all of the offroads. My Jeep Wranglers haven't been far behind in the performance department either but of all the offroad vehicles I have had the Jeep FC pickup was by far my favorite. It literally would go anywhere,do anything required of it with superb style. The view from the drivers seat was outstanding.The only sad thing about all of this is while the Land Rover is quite common here the Toyota Diesel Pickup never has been available or it would probably be the standard here for comparison.


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A couple years ago my wife and I rented a toyota landcruiser and drove it across Botswana. It performed perfectly. This year we had a land rover rented for a few weeks in Tanzania. Unfortunately I was diagnosed with colon cancer 1 week before we were scheduled to leave and had to cancel. I was very curious to see how the rover would compare. Maybe next year!


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All you have to do is have a look at all the news-reels depicting rebels of all types and in damn near every situation in the world, and what are they driving. Not a good advertisement I know, but need I say more. Cool
 
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Hey, despite all the oil leaks, unreliability & even that bloody silly centre console, they can't be too bad. They did after all manage to conquer not only Africa but also half the world! tu2



They had to conquer where ever they were because the bloody car broke down and they couldn't get home--

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The founder and owner of Lucas Electric was Knighted, but his real title was "The Prince of Darkness!"

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Damn!! great setup by Rigby!
 
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That is too cool. Wish I was there to see it.


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If you employ a PH who owns a Landy the client will be reading a book in camp at some point.


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Having spent many hours in and under a land rover, and owned Lancriusers more recently for 20 years as much as I loved the ability off road of the LR they never kept up with reliability, speed, and power. I m waiting excitedly for delivery of a new V8 diesel LC built in Australia for Southern Africa cruising at plus 130km h and then hitting the sand and dirt of Namibia, Zim,and Moz off road. The new combination, having driven it, is hard to beat in the bush.
 
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I don't know much about Land Rovers other than they have consistently been rated by the car reviews as having the very worst repair records.

I've had several Jeeps and I come from the birthplace of Willys Overland – Toledo, Ohio. They too have had "unstellar" repair records, but at least they are easy to fix and upgrade. There is a large cottage industry of accessories and add-ons.

The one thing I do recall most favorably about the old Land Rovers is that my PHs in Zambia could pop off bottlecaps on the flange under the dashboard. Otherwise they tended to prefer Toyota Land Cruisers assembled in South Africa. Maybe today it is different. Wink


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2 defenders, many many trips to Botswana and Namibia and hunting - not with a PH but doing my own....Blah Bla Blah, get a Landcruiser or Hilux,and let the others argue while you have a smug look of satisfaction on your face, and reminisce about your last hunting trip

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I almost bought a LR 10-12 years ago, but realized, in the nick of time, I was in love with what the LR represented, not how good a vehicle it is.
Glad I stayed with my truck.


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I've owned, series 2a, 90, Defender 300TDI, TD5, Discovery S1, and RR. Also Toyota Landcruiser and the other bomb proof 4x4 the Nissan Patrol and when the zombie apocalypse comes I want a 2a or 3 series Landie on Mill' spec springs and dual tanks. Nothing else offers such durability, repair-ability and simplicity in- extremis. My current pick up is comfortable and pleasant but I doubt it will outlive me unlike the Landies I've owned that I still see racking up the years and miles.
 
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That won't offend our dear friend Shakari.

I also have a real fondness for the defender. Mine turned me mad with so many breakdowns. After all I have a job, and can't be a full time mecanic. Was also pleased with the Cherokee for his look. The improvement came with the Land Cruisers ..........and now I am in love with my FJ cruiser easily competing with the Defender.

But my first choice would be the light weight Samurai especially with good tires.
Most of the time tires make the difference here as the most troublesome hitch is mud when off roading.


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But my first choice would be the light weight Samurai especially with good tires.
Most of the time tires make the difference here as the most troublesome hitch is mud when off roading.


The Samurai is my choice as well.......it's not pretty but will go wherever I point it.




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As much as a lot of people rubbish the Fords but it cannot be denied they've been incredibly innovations over the years & although they made a few lemons, they also made a lot of very fine vehicles. tu2

That said, Landies are great vehicles for Africa. tu2






 
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As much as a lot of people rubbish the Fords but it cannot be denied they've been incredibly innovations over the years & although they made a few lemons, they also made a lot of very fine vehicles. tu2
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Indeed they have.

That said, parts availability is absolutely everything IMHO.



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You're spot on, congs You've a badass beast.
My father in law had a Samourai.Now we miss both of them badly, having to collect games with a tractor after the beat hunts.

By the by my head gamekeeper has a Ford Ranger and we don't complain that much.


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Toufic, outfitter in Burkina is using 2 kinds of vehicles, Defenders and Toyotas.
For skittish hunters, the Toyotas are used. For tough hunters it's the Defenders.
The Toyota has far less breakdowns but when it's the case, it's hardly curable.
The LAND ROVER can ever be repaired in the field and the hunters sure to share sundowners in camp.


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But my first choice would be the light weight Samurai especially with good tires.
Most of the time tires make the difference here as the most troublesome hitch is mud when off roading.




The Samurai is my choice as well.......it's not pretty but will go wherever I point it.



But can you load a buff in the wee thing? Roll Eyes
 
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But can you load a buff in the wee thing? Roll Eyes


No, but I'll make a wager that you can't in a Defender 90 either....... Big Grin



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No, but I'll make a wager that you can't in a Defender 90 either....... Big Grin


You'd lose buddy.

You can get 1 buff (& crew on top) in the back of a 90 & 2 buff (& crew on top) in the back of a 110.

The trick is to cut the buff in two & then it's no great problem. Wink






 
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No, but I'll make a wager that you can't in a Defender 90 either....... Big Grin


You'd lose buddy.

You can get 1 buff (& crew on top) in the back of a 90 & 2 buff (& crew on top) in the back of a 110.

The trick is to cut the buff in two & then it's no great problem. Wink


That's cheating! Haha! I stand corrected!



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I have had several Range Rovers and even an LR2 over the years and while the earlier Range Rovers were gutless gas hogs that required a lot of patience, it was never bad enough to dissuade me from buying another one.

My current Range Rover I have had since 2008 and it now has 115k miles on it. I have still not done anything other than change the oil on it.

Whatever people say about them, once you've had one it's really hard to settle for anything else.
 
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I made 8 seasons hunting in Zimbabwe and being a confirmed car person I paid particular attention to the Vehicles used. I don't think I could give enough praise to The Toyota Cruiser as being the standard all other off road vehicles are judged by. I didn't see or ride in many Land Rovers but the old ones I did just seem to run and run and run and run. They never seem to be beyond repair and in Zimbabwe at that time they had to be as parts for anything were unobtainable period. Here in the States I have driven and had them all,Ford,Chev,Jeep and Dodge over the years and I can say a Dodge Ramcharger is pretty hard to beat in any category. My grandson drives a Cummins Diesel 1/2 ton and can't praise it highly enough and he produces his own fuel from waste cooking oils. He converted the Cummins and made the refining equipment also. I had a Dodge Ramcharger 440 Magnum and there was literally nowhere it wouldn't or couldn't go. It also had the most room in it of all of the offroads. My Jeep Wranglers haven't been far behind in the performance department either but of all the offroad vehicles I have had the Jeep FC pickup was by far my favorite. It literally would go anywhere,do anything required of it with superb style. The view from the drivers seat was outstanding.The only sad thing about all of this is while the Land Rover is quite common here the Toyota Diesel Pickup never has been available or it would probably be the standard here for comparison.


I bough one of the new Toyota FJ Cruisers for my oldest son when he joined the Rangers. A great off road vehicle. Blew around a bit on the highway and the rear window was abit small. All in all an impressive vehivle. Coil spring independent suspension all around.


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I have owned and abused a number of land rovers and the best for me was the four cylinder petrol series 3. Top speed of 80kms an hour and never missed a beat. Never bust a spring or a shaft. Everything after this model was a piece of shit and could not be relied upon in the field.

Nowadays I use cut off Land Cruiser VX's. Full coil suspension and lots of reliable power. May not look very traditional but will eat the other Toyotas in the rough.

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Sorry - my apologies. I didn't realize Ford made vehicles with coil springs that provided wheel articulation good enough to do more than jump the kerb at your local Walmart. The problem with many of you is that you don't have any experience with REAL off roading. Bouncing up and down rough roads is sissy stuff compared to what we do here down under.
We NEVER see anything American other than tricked up Jeeps out in Landrover country. Knock yourself out trying to wind up us Landy owners - we're used to the great uninformed trying to tell us what they don't know.


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Bloody amazing that even a simple discussion about 4x4ing can turn into a pissing match!

P'raps we should be grateful that SCI don't make trucks or things would get really nasty! jumping






 
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Nowadays I use cut off Land Cruiser VX's. Full coil suspension and lots of reliable power. May not look very traditional but will eat the other Toyotas in the rough.



Andrew:

Life must be treating you pretty well to chop up a machine that has a showroom value of USD 140K and second hand tag not less than $40/50K on the TZ market. Big Grin

Can't be much cheaper in your neck of the woods.
 
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Nowadays I use cut off Land Cruiser VX's. Full coil suspension and lots of reliable power. May not look very traditional but will eat the other Toyotas in the rough.



Andrew:

Life must be treating you pretty well to chop up a machine that has a showroom value of USD 140K and second hand tag not less than $40/50K on the TZ market. Big Grin

Can't be much cheaper in your neck of the woods.


80 series mate and the one above I picked up for $12,000 and my latest for $6,000. Engine rebuild was another $5,000.


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Better deals on your side then - you clearly get more value for the good Ole Yankee dollar than we do.

I would rather substitute the original straight 6 with a VX Turbo and have a pickup that goes like shit off a shovel though AND maintain a slightly wider wheel base for stability to fly around corners. Wink
 
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