African wildlife as a pet? Think again:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new...vis_attacks_wom.html

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A teenage ape raised like a human went berserk in Connecticut Monday, badly mauling a friend of his owner before cops shot and killed him...

Conklin said Travis pounced on the victim, 55-year-old Charla Nash, as soon as she got out of her car to try to help Herold get the ape back in his cage.

He said Travis had been roaming in the yard after getting his hands on the house keys and freeing himself.

Herold, 70, had given the pyscho simian tea with Xanax to calm him down just before Nash arrived, cops said, and called 911 as the chimp mauled her friend.

A 911 dispatcher could hear the animal screaming in the background as he ripped into the victim.

Nash was in very critical condition at Stamford Hospital Monday night. She suffered serious facial injuries and may not survive, Conklin said. Her brother Steve Nash was rushing up from Virginia.

Apparently, the attack was extremely savage, more so than reported. An EMT who relieved the guy on duty at the time said that the woman's face was completely gone down to the bone, and that all that remained of her two forearms was hanging flesh.

I read a similar story a few years ago. A couple of chimps at a wildlife sanctuary got jealous because the owners had made a birthday cake for one of the other chimps. The chimps went nuts and attacked an older man ripping his testicles and foot off and chewing up his face and hands. The chimps would not let up the attack until shot off the victim. Every time I see some "tame" chimp on TV I cringe now. I think I'd rather take my chances with a leopard than a psychotic chimp.

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Found a couple of links to articles about the attack I mentioned above:

http://www.boston.com/news/nat...anzee_attack_probed/

http://www.boston.com/news/nat...cs_leaves_questions/

Kind of stupid. There is potential here for a Darwin Award.

Teenagers these days!

"Psycho simian" has a nice alliterative ring to it. Maybe it was the tea with Xanax that tipped him over the edge.

Do they teach that technique in veterinary school, I wonder?

A little more information:

Her eyes were also apparently ripped out, and when the EMT's found her, her upper pallate was lying a few yards away from her body with the teeth intact.

Getting word now that she did not make it.

I leave for Namibia in about 4 weeks------While I am there I will be thinking of this attack when I blast a few Baboons!

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Originally posted by quickshot:
I leave for Namibia in about 4 weeks------While I am there I will be thinking of this attack when I blast a few Baboons!

Monks are dangerous...all of them. My wife saw a vervet monkey tore a small girl up to pieces in a schoolyard when she lived in SA.

I am heading down there myself in two months from now for a little bobbejaan sport...

I wonder if they let her keep the full skin of Harold for a full body mount. That is probably the only way she will ever get to have a Chimp mounted in her house, as it is not legal to import the primate parts of chimps into the US........

Hi
What caliber do you favor for baboons, chimps, etc.?

30-06, 375 H&H, bigger?

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Originally posted by GS:
Hi
What caliber do you favor for baboons, chimps, etc.?

30-06, 375 H&H, bigger?

I usde 300winmag with 180gr. Federal ammo

this year, my sons will join the fun with 270winmags and 140gr Accubonds

any medium Caliber will work on Baboons and small to medium monkeys and baboons

Apes are much bigger and would be better served with a large cal or double bore rifle. Not sure where it would be legal to hunt apes--don't think you can at all.

I know this sounds a bit morbid, but, how do effective is the 300 Win Mag on em? They go down, right now? Run around???? What happens?

When you say ape, does that include chimps?

I know gorillas are protected...
9.3 x 62 should work, or my 30-06? Just use heavy bullets?

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Originally posted by GS:
I know this sounds a bit morbid, but, how do effective is the 300 Win Mag on em? They go down, right now? Run around???? What happens?

When you say ape, does that include chimps?

I know gorillas are protected...
9.3 x 62 should work, or my 30-06? Just use heavy bullets?

Gorillas, Chimpanzees and Orangutans are protected.

So.....Charlton Heston was right....there will be a planet of the Ape's.

Article on the 911 call the owner made: "He's eating her,"

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/localnews/ci_11726742

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STAMFORD -- A North Stamford woman told a 911 operator that her pet chimpanzee ripped her friend apart and pleaded with him to send police officers to shoot it.

"Please hurry up, he's killing my girlfriend," Sandra Herold, 70, shouted during the beginning of the 911 call, the animal screaming in the background. "You gotta kill my chimp."

The dispatcher at first did not understand that the attacker was an animal. Herold kept repeating "Hurry up! Please God," before she answered that the attacker was her chimp.

"He ripped her face off," she said of her friend, Charla Nash, 55. "He's trying to charge me." ...

"Oh my God, he ripped her apart," she said.

After a few minutes, the dispatcher asked if the chimp was still with Herold's friend.

"He's eating her," Herold said....

Apparently, before this happened the owner decided to slip the chimp some Xanax to calm it down a little. Unfortunately, from what I have read, drugs like Xanax have exactly the opposite effect on apes as it does on people, with the added bonus that it removes inhibitions on behavior in which they would not otherwise engage.

"He's eating her"??? Yes, chimps do that (the man attacked in California a couple of years ago had his genetials eaten by their loving pet before the attack was stopped), but what makes this revelation even more incomprehensible is that the owner apparently stated in a Today Show interview that she would own another one and that others should not be discouraged from doing so.

911 call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgS0KgT5APc

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Originally posted by Tembo:

Gorillas, Chimpanzees and Orangutans are protected.

Apparently not in Stamford.

But .40 S&W is certainly not a chimp stopping caliber. Ol' Bubbles took multiple hits but was able to return to his cage before dying.

Reading a news report from NY this morning it was mentioned that the chimp's relationship to the owner was not "natural" and very "intimate". Please, don't try to visualize.

Eish! No pleasant...but chimps aint great pets.

Generally speaking, primates make very poor pets.
They are strong, intelligent and can be unpredictable. More to the point, most kept as pets that I have seen seem to suffer from very high anxiety which usually manifests as aggression.

Yep, shitty choice of pet...

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Originally posted by Johnny Zanni:
911 call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgS0KgT5APc

One of the award winning comments under the Youtube post.....

"She wants to calm down a bit,the worst thing to do when a chimp attacks,is go BANANAS

They were married...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29279834/

Reality is that a chimp isn't a pet, that should be common sense. It's a shame for all around. Hope the person who got hurt recovers fully.

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Originally posted by JohnHunt:
They were married...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29279834/

That was disturbing. That broad needs some serious psychiatric help ASAP.

you can tell in the call for awhile the dispatcher thought it was just a joke

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Originally posted by Johnny Zanni:
you can tell in the call for awhile the dispatcher thought it was just a joke

Yea, and that is sad. He was on the virge of laughing. I wonder if the victim would still have her face or her hands if the ass had just shut up and done his job. I'm hoping he isn't sleeping well...

JPK

Didn't Saeed get chewed a bit by a raccoon that didn't like the idea of being left alone in it's cage?

I think the problem becomes the animal requires 24/7 attention, and, any threat to that might invoke an action by the animal..

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Originally posted by JPK:

quote:

Originally posted by Johnny Zanni:
you can tell in the call for awhile the dispatcher thought it was just a joke

Yea, and that is sad. He was on the virge of laughing. I wonder if the victim would still have her face or her hands if the ass had just shut up and done his job. I'm hoping he isn't sleeping well...

JPK

your right JPK

i read that the 911 call is actually 15 minutes long and it took police 9 minutes to mosey their way down to the scene...

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Originally posted by Johnny Zanni:

quote:

Originally posted by JPK:

quote:

Originally posted by Johnny Zanni:
you can tell in the call for awhile the dispatcher thought it was just a joke

Yea, and that is sad. He was on the virge of laughing. I wonder if the victim would still have her face or her hands if the ass had just shut up and done his job. I'm hoping he isn't sleeping well...

JPK

your right JPK

i read that the 911 call is actually 15 minutes long and it took police 9 minutes to mosey their way down to the scene...

That makes me physically ill. I hope that ass is taunted by his grotesque failure for the remainder of his days and never has another nights sleep.

You gotta figure if he'd have done his job, the cops would have made friggin' record time, instead, they think their running toward a hoax...

JPK

Backing up to the baboon comments, I shot one in Tanzania right in the ass while running away with a 416 Remington Magnum. The 400 grain Swift A Frame went all the way through and came out through his neck. When I got to the baboon, it had an erection you would not believe. It still had it after the pictures and after it was thrown in the truck! The trackers were very amused.

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Originally posted by larryshores:I shot one in Tanzania right in the ass -----When I got to the baboon, it had an erection you would not believe. It still had it after the pictures

so the baboon really liked the shot up the ass--ey

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Originally posted by Tembo:

That was disturbing. That broad needs some serious psychiatric help ASAP.

Not only her. From what I've seen of the coverage, everyone in that town. It's bizarre listening to all the neighbors and friends who knew "Travis" talking about how they'd never believe the Chimp was capable of this because he was such a good boy and practically the woman's son.

How would the average Stamford CT resident, who apparently doesn't know the difference between a chimpanzee and a monkey because they keep calling it a monkey, know what any fully mature chimp is capable of?

The local PD keeps looking for causes such as its lyme disease medication, or if the woman's new hairstyle set it off. They keep talking as if the chimp wouldn't normally do that because it was "Travis." And not considering maybe "Travis" did what is normal at some point for a chimp. Are they still completely unaware it's a dangerous thing to have a large powerful non-human primate living with you? And that a Chimpanzee doesn't need a really good reason to do this. At least not in human terms. The way they talk, sometimes I get the impression that they're trying to find out why the chimp crossed the line and became a lawbreaker. As if the chimp knew or cared about breaking criminal statutes.

And everyone talks about the way she raised it to be as human as possible as if that would somehow mean the animal is less likely to attack, and can't conceive of the possibility that maybe it made the attack more likely.

Maybe they're not aware it's non-human. Just as that woman who owned it still isn't aware it really wasn't her son.

It's a creeping sickness. When I take my dogs to the vet, the receptionist calls me the dog's "daddy" when she tells the vet I'm there with the dog for the visit. I love my dogs, but they're my dogs. They're not my kids.

Am I the only one left in this country that knows the difference.

You are spot on

The one i feel sorry for is the chimp. Man takes these animals out of the wild and trys to turn them into pets.Not meant to be. My wife and i went to the pond to adopt a dog,we filled out afew sheets and were told we could have the dog for our farm like home. The day i go to pick up the dog i was told i could not adopt it. I asked why and was told that on the form i stated that the dog would stay in the barn,with the cat and farm animals two times a week.They said you have to keep him in the house. I said that i can not always do that.They said i can not adopt the dog.By the time it was over they went to my employer i had to go to the union for help,did not get the dog but still had a job.There is a place for animals to be and a place for them not to be.POINT TWO.i always helped a guy feed his horses .He was a horse trader.He had a habit of always putting his face up to the horses face and kiss them and he showed this to people who would be looking to buy a horse.He would say look how people safe his horses are.One day a guy and his family came,the guy had a full beard,the seller showed the famiily how safe his horses are leaves the family a lone with the horse.The guy goes up to the horse,i said i would not do that the guy rubs his face with the horse, the horse grabbed the guys beard and ripped the hair and skin off that side of the guys face.Respect animals for what theyare and leave them in there own space.The last i know the horse trader had a big problem.

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Originally posted by sam184:
The one i feel sorry for is the chimp.

I do feel sorry for the lady who got mauled. But that must have been a confusing last few minutes of life for "Travis." Here he is, doing what apparently does come naturally to sexually mature male chimps under some circumstances.

Now everyone all of a sudden has a problem with him. And the cops who he used to play with shoot him when he opens the door. For all we know, from the chimp's point of view he was just trying to hop in the car with Officer Friendly to get away from crazy "mom" who tried to knife him when he chimp-logically eliminated what he saw as a threat to the rest of the family. For all we know, from the chimp point of view, he might have done something that he thought the rest of the chimps should have patted him on the back for. The rest of the chimps being his "mom." Sort of the same thing as when your cat brings you a dead mouse. Instead of the pat on the back, she tried to stab him.

How is a chimp supposed to know chewing the face off of an "outsider" would be considered wrong by those he lived with?

Then the formerly friendly cop who used to offer him macadamia nuts if he played in the middle of the street goes and caps him instead. I'm guessing that when he crawled off to die in the last safe place he knew, he was probably wondering why all these humans around him had gone berzerk and crazy-violent. After all, he may have just been laying down a little chimp-law on the intruder as he was hard-wired to do.

I could be wrong. What I do know is we don't really understand chimps. And they sure as hell can't be expected to understand us.

This woman was obviously thinking about no one but herself and what made her happy.

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
What I do know is we don't really understand chimps.

In this case, I understand the chimpanzee's behavior way better than I do the woman's!