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After reading the post about "Another Hunter Taken To Task," I got to wondering: what exactly are the "bad" wildlife organizations (those with a specific goal of stopping hunting completely) and what are the 'good" ones (those that seek to preserve and/or protect wildlife but at the same time will at least acknowledge the value of hunting in conservation)? I know, for example, that PETA and HSUS exist primarily to take away hunting (and even fishing or pet ownership) rights. The American Humane Society, to my knowledge, does not have an anti-hunting agenda but is often confused with HSUS, by virtue of similarity in names. What about the SPCA? I would appreciate someone with concrete information listing the "good" and "bad" organizations - I'll bet a lot of us really don't know, for sure, beyond PETA and HSUS. Thanks in advance for the help. LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | ||
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I think SCI, DSC, NRA qualify as "Good". BAD = NM Wildlife Federation, Center for Biologic Diversity, Sierra Club, and anybody that thinks wolves are good. Pancho LTC, USA, RET "Participating in a gun buy-back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids." Clint Eastwood Give me Liberty or give me Corona. | |||
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Wolves and Grizzlies are our cuddly friends.... | |||
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The WWF is not anti hunting(at least not always). The have acknowledged that hunting has benefits for wildlife conservation, if I remember correctly. I believe Nitro's question relates to the wildlife organizattions who don't have a specific pro-hunting stance(as we all know that DSC and SCI are Pro-hunting and pro-conservation). Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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In the States, another bad actor is "DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE" ...."The Wilderness Society" aint too friendly either. While the Nature Conservancy allows hunting on some properties, they seem to be more "bad" than "good" recently but they certainly do help preserve habitat. Maybe ambivalent is best for them. | |||
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Does the US Forest Service count?  Some of their recent management goals/decisions seems decidedly anti-hunter, if not anti-hunting._____________________ A successful man is one who earns more money than his wife can spend. | |||
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Tom, You won't think wolves are so cudly when "they " want to transplant some in Tennessee. | |||
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I remember looking at a website of either ASPCA, or American Humane Society and they said they couldn't condone hunting because there was no guarantee that animals wouldn't suffer. However, there was nothing anti-hunting on their website. Caleb | |||
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Over here; one of your exports IFAW, [International Fund for Animal Welfare], Animal Rights Africa and the National SPCA [South Africa] Chuck in the odd Professor whose chair is funded by IFAW.  | |||
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I think the modern National Geographic Society is more responsible for that classic response of a non-hunter, " I didn't know you could hunt those; I thought they were endangered?", than any other organization. Before Al Gore's quest to add a couple of zeroes to his net worth, they were the "settled science" bunch that all liberals took as gospel. | |||
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Thanks to all of you who have responded seriously; what I am looking for, so I can speak with accuracy when discussing animal welfare groups, is a list of the organizations that are actively against hunting and spend contribution money to fund anti-hunting campaigns. I'd also appreciate another list of "humane-type" organizations that genuinely help animals, wild or domestic, but have at the worst a neutral attitude toward hunting. I genuinely don't know who's who in these categories, except of course the "big ones" like PETA and HSUS. For example, I thought WWF was adamantly against hunting, and thus chastised my wife for contributing to them. Thanks again for the education--it is appreciated. LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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On my last trip to Kamchatka for Brown Bear, we went through the Moscow airport. Running on a continuous loop was an VERY anti hunting advertisement showing a hunter stalking something through the woods only to end with the hunter pointing his scoped rifle at a woman and small child having a picnic on a blanket. The intent was to associate hunting with shooting families. As the add faded, the WWF image faded in. The WWF is NOT our friend. | |||
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I checked again on the sites: ASPCA said they oppose hunting in the section on their policies and positions, but if you look through the rest of their site, they just seem to ignore hunting and aren't engaged in any anti-hunting activities. More interesting, and actually encouraging is the American Humane Association site. They are opposed to certain hunting practices such as internet/remote hunting or what we could all agree is a canned hunt (dogpen sized enclosures), but not to hunting in general. They even say things along the lines of "huinters view this practice as unsporting". I know which "save the puppies and kitties" organization can expect donations from me. Caleb | |||
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This is admittedly simplistic, but IMO, any group that doesn't have a hunter or two on their board of directors is anti hunting, and I simply do not trust them! In my experience the boards of the worse ones are not anti hunting as much as they are pro money and use the tax-free status to amass personal fortunes, and use the weak minds of the basement dwelling city dummies ignorance to accomplish that goal! ...........................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Nitro I agree 100% with what Todd posted(quoted below) in that the NatGeoSoc has a bad habit of sensationalizing the "plight" of every animal/environment/expedition and group of people they cover. Having said that, they did run a very pro-hunting feature in their magazine a few years ago. I point this out because many of the "on the fence" organizations will run with whatever they believe will make them the most money, not unlike a politician talking out both sides of his mouth.
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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From the WWF's website(note their is some loaded language in their answers):
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Ahhh Yes, another one of the "Feel Good/Warm And Fuzzy" diatribes about what is and is not hunting. Just keep it up and pretty soon, none of us are going to be legally able to hunt because it will all be illegal. Done had one thread started about the way the various anti-hunting groups are already threatening our ability to hunt in the future, but we still want to draw lines. "The way I hunt is the only way it should be done and everyone that does agree with me shpould not be allowed to consider themselves hunters." What a frigging joke The anti hunting forces are NOT going to differentiate, they want ALL hunting stopped, PERIOD regardless of method or intentions. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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If you do a google search on the WWF, you get pages full of articles stating that the WWF was started by hunters and almost all of these articles take issue with the WWF's idea of conservation through supporting sport hunting. So now I'm a bit confused. The adds I witnessed in the Moscow airport that were sponsored by the WWF were very confrontational against hunting and bordering on hysterical. Upon leaving Petropovlovsk, everyone on the plane was given a survey being conducted by college students on behalf of the WWF. All the guys in my group read 3 or 4 questions and threw it away as the questions were leading and very biased against hunting the peninsula. Evidently, more info is needed on this organization. At lease, more info is needed on them by me in order to make up my mind! | |||
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The USFW damn sure aren't on the "good side". They suck. | |||
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Personally, I think that the foremost organisation / company in the world that is responsible for making hunting look bad is Walt Disney, with their pathetic fucking movies about making animals look cute and cuddly. Bambi is a prime example of their absolute rubbish. She was only the Fish Mongers daughter. But she lay on the slab and said 'fillet' | |||
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Impala#03: They tried that here with the "red" wolf. Smart people proved it was a hybrid, therefore never existed as an indigenous animal in TN so they went away. Back to the question; Facebook is loaded with pro wolf groups, and anti-hunting pages and you won't find a more misguided group of sheeple anywhere on earth. All of them push for the wolf to be humanized referring to them as mommies and daddy's and the ever present "babies" or to end all hunting. They are all quick to curse you; threaten to kill you and your family in a variety of ways yet I would love to meet them face to face, but I don't exchange verbiage with the feeble minded. These groups are worldwide and are money driven. Just think about $19.95 per month and YOU can save all the kitty cats and puppy dogs. It's become so competitive that the HSUS now gives an embroidered jacket and toke bag with each membership. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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One that bothers me is the advertisement on National Geografic TV for Cannon cameras. It says somthing to the effect of "Go into the wild, take a photo, and leave nature untouched, and unspoiled." That sounds anti-hunting to me. I for one am boycoting Cannon products. | |||
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what the hell are you on about now? "what is and isn't hunting"? where did that come up? One post? did you hit reply in the wrong thread? NRA Life Member Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun. | |||
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Two lots that are nothing but terrorists, ALF- Animal Liberation Front and ELF-Earth Liberation Front. Both organisations are considered terrorist in the USA. There is an excellant article in the October edition of African Outfitter by Ron Thomson.  | |||
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One of the very worst anti-hunting agencies is the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. If you follow the efforts of John Jackson and Conservation Force you know what an enemy of hunters they are. Bill Clinton's appointment of Jamie Clark sent them WAYYYYYY down the path of becoming one of the most anti-hunting organizations in this country. I have had the mispleasure to also work with many of their so-called biologists on a professional level and in my opinion the whole agency should be up for elimination by the deficit reduction super-committee. My apologies to the handful of legitimate biologists without the anti-hunting biases remaining in the agency. I hunt to live and live to hunt! | |||
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