Who Are The Good Guys and The Bad Guys?

13 September 2011, 20:39

Nitro Express

After reading the post about "Another Hunter Taken To Task," I got to wondering: what exactly are the "bad" wildlife organizations (those with a specific goal of stopping hunting completely) and what are the 'good" ones (those that seek to preserve and/or protect wildlife but at the same time will at least acknowledge the value of hunting in conservation)?

I know, for example, that PETA and HSUS exist primarily to take away hunting (and even fishing or pet ownership) rights.

The American Humane Society, to my knowledge, does not have an anti-hunting agenda but is often confused with HSUS, by virtue of similarity in names.

What about the SPCA?

I would appreciate someone with concrete information listing the "good" and "bad" organizations - I'll bet a lot of us really don't know, for sure, beyond PETA and HSUS.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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13 September 2011, 22:47

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Nitro Express:
what are the 'good" ones (those that seek to preserve and/or protect wildlife but at the same time will at least acknowledge the value of hunting in conservation)?

The WWF is not anti hunting(at least not always). The have acknowledged that hunting has benefits for wildlife conservation, if I remember correctly.

I believe Nitro's question relates to the wildlife organizattions who don't have a specific pro-hunting stance(as we all know that DSC and SCI are Pro-hunting and pro-conservation).

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13 September 2011, 22:59

Tom In Tennessee

In the States, another bad actor is "DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE" ...."The Wilderness Society" aint too friendly either.
While the Nature Conservancy allows hunting on some properties, they seem to be more "bad" than "good" recently but they certainly do help preserve habitat. Maybe ambivalent is best for them.

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14 September 2011, 01:12

Cazador humilde

I think the modern National Geographic Society is more responsible for that classic response of a non-hunter, " I didn't know you could hunt those; I thought they were endangered?", than any other organization. Before Al Gore's quest to add a couple of zeroes to his net worth, they were the "settled science" bunch that all liberals took as gospel.

14 September 2011, 01:32

Nitro Express

Thanks to all of you who have responded seriously; what I am looking for, so I can speak with accuracy when discussing animal welfare groups, is a list of the organizations that are actively against hunting and spend contribution money to fund anti-hunting campaigns.

I'd also appreciate another list of "humane-type" organizations that genuinely help animals, wild or domestic, but have at the worst a neutral attitude toward hunting.

I genuinely don't know who's who in these categories, except of course the "big ones" like PETA and HSUS.

For example, I thought WWF was adamantly against hunting, and thus chastised my wife for contributing to them.

Thanks again for the education--it is appreciated.

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14 September 2011, 02:03

Todd Williams

On my last trip to Kamchatka for Brown Bear, we went through the Moscow airport. Running on a continuous loop was an VERY anti hunting advertisement showing a hunter stalking something through the woods only to end with the hunter pointing his scoped rifle at a woman and small child having a picnic on a blanket. The intent was to associate hunting with shooting families. As the add faded, the WWF image faded in. The WWF is NOT our friend.

14 September 2011, 02:06

cable68

I checked again on the sites: ASPCA said they oppose hunting in the section on their policies and positions, but if you look through the rest of their site, they just seem to ignore hunting and aren't engaged in any anti-hunting activities.

More interesting, and actually encouraging is the American Humane Association site. They are opposed to certain hunting practices such as internet/remote hunting or what we could all agree is a canned hunt (dogpen sized enclosures), but not to hunting in general. They even say things along the lines of "huinters view this practice as unsporting". I know which "save the puppies and kitties" organization can expect donations from me.

14 September 2011, 02:32

MacD37

This is admittedly simplistic, but IMO, any group that doesn't have a hunter or two on their board of directors is anti hunting, and I simply do not trust them!

In my experience the boards of the worse ones are not anti hunting as much as they are pro money and use the tax-free status to amass personal fortunes, and use the weak minds of the basement dwelling city dummies ignorance to accomplish that goal!
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14 September 2011, 04:47

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Nitro
I agree 100% with what Todd posted(quoted below) in that the NatGeoSoc has a bad habit of sensationalizing the "plight" of every animal/environment/expedition and group of people they cover. Having said that, they did run a very pro-hunting feature in their magazine a few years ago.

I point this out because many of the "on the fence" organizations will run with whatever they believe will make them the most money, not unlike a politician talking out both sides of his mouth.

quote:
Originally posted by Cazador humilde:
I think the modern National Geographic Society is more responsible for that classic response of a non-hunter, " I didn't know you could hunt those; I thought they were endangered?", than any other organization. Before Al Gore's quest to add a couple of zeroes to his net worth, they were the "settled science" bunch that all liberals took as gospel.

14 September 2011, 04:58

JBrown

From the WWF's website(note their is some loaded language in their answers):

quote:
Guns and Hunting
Published 08/29/2000 03:42 PM | Updated 11/04/2009 12:43 PM
Are guns and hunting a concern of World Wildlife Fund?
The mission of World Wildlife Fund includes protecting rare and endangered species and their habitats all over the world. We explicitly object to any activity that threatens the survival of endangered species and the habitat in which they live.

World Wildlife Fund, for example, does not oppose gun hunting or trapping by indigenous people to meet their basic needs. We do insist that hunting and trapping be regulated so that the survival of any species does not become threatened. The decision to allow trophy hunting is a sovereign one made entirely by the government concerned. We vigorously oppose any hunting or trapping activities which violate international, national, or state law.

quote:
Trophy Hunting
Published 08/29/2000 03:42 PM | Updated 11/04/2009 12:49 PM
Is trophy hunting a concern of World Wildlife Fund?

Endangered species preservation has always been the priority for World Wildlife Fund. The decision to allow trophy hunting is a sovereign one made entirely by the government concerned.

We will continue to monitor government enforcement of important trade laws to ensure that trophy hunting is done within the legal standards of that area.

14 September 2011, 05:45

Crazyhorseconsulting

Ahhh Yes, another one of the "Feel Good/Warm And Fuzzy" diatribes about what is and is not hunting. Just keep it up and pretty soon, none of us are going to be legally able to hunt because it will all be illegal. Done had one thread started about the way the various anti-hunting groups are already threatening our ability to hunt in the future, but we still want to draw lines.

"The way I hunt is the only way it should be done and everyone that does agree with me shpould not be allowed to consider themselves hunters."

What a frigging joke

The anti hunting forces are NOT going to differentiate, they want ALL hunting stopped, PERIOD regardless of method or intentions.

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14 September 2011, 06:24

Todd Williams

If you do a google search on the WWF, you get pages full of articles stating that the WWF was started by hunters and almost all of these articles take issue with the WWF's idea of conservation through supporting sport hunting. So now I'm a bit confused.

The adds I witnessed in the Moscow airport that were sponsored by the WWF were very confrontational against hunting and bordering on hysterical. Upon leaving Petropovlovsk, everyone on the plane was given a survey being conducted by college students on behalf of the WWF. All the guys in my group read 3 or 4 questions and threw it away as the questions were leading and very biased against hunting the peninsula.

Evidently, more info is needed on this organization. At lease, more info is needed on them by me in order to make up my mind!

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14 September 2011, 12:54

L. David Keith

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Tom,
You won't think wolves are so cudly when "they " want to transplant some in Tennessee.

Impala#03: They tried that here with the "red" wolf. Smart people proved it was a hybrid, therefore never existed as an indigenous animal in TN so they went away.

Back to the question; Facebook is loaded with pro wolf groups, and anti-hunting pages and you won't find a more misguided group of sheeple anywhere on earth. All of them push for the wolf to be humanized referring to them as mommies and daddy's and the ever present "babies" or to end all hunting. They are all quick to curse you; threaten to kill you and your family in a variety of ways yet I would love to meet them face to face, but I don't exchange verbiage with the feeble minded. These groups are worldwide and are money driven. Just think about $19.95 per month and YOU can save all the kitty cats and puppy dogs. It's become so competitive that the HSUS now gives an embroidered jacket and toke bag with each membership.

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14 September 2011, 20:56

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quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Ahhh Yes, another one of the "Feel Good/Warm And Fuzzy" diatribes about what is and is not hunting. Just keep it up and pretty soon, none of us are going to be legally able to hunt because it will all be illegal. Done had one thread started about the way the various anti-hunting groups are already threatening our ability to hunt in the future, but we still want to draw lines.

"The way I hunt is the only way it should be done and everyone that does agree with me shpould not be allowed to consider themselves hunters."

What a frigging joke

The anti hunting forces are NOT going to differentiate, they want ALL hunting stopped, PERIOD regardless of method or intentions.

what the hell are you on about now? "what is and isn't hunting"? where did that come up? One post? did you hit reply in the wrong thread?

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15 September 2011, 00:44

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quote:
Originally posted by kiwiwildcat:
Personally, I think that the foremost organisation / company in the world that is responsible for making hunting look bad is Walt Disney, with their pathetic fucking movies about making animals look cute and cuddly. Bambi is a prime example of their absolute rubbish.

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15 September 2011, 04:14

hunt99

One of the very worst anti-hunting agencies is the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. If you follow the efforts of John Jackson and Conservation Force you know what an enemy of hunters they are. Bill Clinton's appointment of Jamie Clark sent them WAYYYYYY down the path of becoming one of the most anti-hunting organizations in this country. I have had the mispleasure to also work with many of their so-called biologists on a professional level and in my opinion the whole agency should be up for elimination by the deficit reduction super-committee. My apologies to the handful of legitimate biologists without the anti-hunting biases remaining in the agency.

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15 September 2011, 06:45

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quote:
Originally posted by hunt99:
One of the very worst anti-hunting agencies is the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. If you follow the efforts of John Jackson and Conservation Force you know what an enemy of hunters they are. Bill Clinton's appointment of Jamie Clark sent them WAYYYYYY down the path of becoming one of the most anti-hunting organizations in this country. I have had the mispleasure to also work with many of their so-called biologists on a professional level and in my opinion the whole agency should be up for elimination by the deficit reduction super-committee. My apologies to the handful of legitimate biologists without the anti-hunting biases remaining in the agency.

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