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"elmer fudd bubba dude's", dang nabbitt!!!! Moja, you one shot wonder packin a 2 shooter usin the wrong trigger!!!! Get your handsome face and bubbling personality on TV and help us bubba dude's out.  | |||
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Some folks might want to take a look at this article. Not meaning to stir the pot on this subject, but if this article is accurate and if this Vanesa Kauffman with USF&WS is talking truthfully, then not all information was brought forward on this matter. http://issuu.com/lsoneditor/do...xml&showFlipBtn=true Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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 http://issuu.com/lsoneditor/do...xml&showFlipBtn=true This makes the CBS piece look like just a hit piece to make Priscilla "Feral Cat" Feral look like the crazy woman she is. Good show! No problems! Ranch owners just have to get their "Captive-bred Wildlife Regulation Permit" every 5 years for a $200 processing fee. And ranch owners must get an annual "Incidental Take Permit" for $100. Then ranch owner must give the hunter leaving the ranch with a trophy a form letter stating the harvest was legal under the ranch owner's permit. So that is $700 in permit fees every 5 years for ranch owner, to be passed on to hunters in a few bucks of each trophy fee. USF&WS says the fees go back into conservation programs. Much Ado About Nothing? Do those ranch owners have problems with readin', 'ritin', and 'rithmetic? Or is there some slippery slope principle here? | |||
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I did not see the piece, but a coworker (who does not hunt) had seen it and asked me about it today at work. I asked him what he though of it. He said he never realized how much hunting exotic animals contributes to conservation.  Hopefully there are other people out there that watched this and saw the benefits of hunting and how it relates to conservation. ____________________________ If you died tomorrow, what would you have done today ... 2018 Zimbabwe - Tuskless w/ Nengasha Safaris 2011 Mozambique - Buffalo w/ Mashambanzou Safaris | |||
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Like I said folks, not trying to stir the pot but on nearly every issue there is, there are two sides yet the actual truth lies somewhere in or near the middle. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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The way it appears to me: The "Captive-bred Wildlife Regulation Permit" has nothing to do with the trophy hunting aspect but is needed for the owner to sell, trade or cull animals from his own herds. The annual $100 permit is the only one required in regards to trophy hunting and doesn't involve the hunter at all. The rancher gets the permit and provides a form stating the hunter's animal was legally taken under the $100 permit. This permit is not needed for EVERY animal; it covers ALL of them killed on the ranch for a year. From what I've read, it appears the entire process will come down to somewhat of a mere inconvenience and have little effect on the present system. IOW, Feral's hopes that this would halt hunting of these species have been dashed. All that happened was a bit of paperwork and a few more dollars are now needed to continue the hunting. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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That is what I am getting out of this Tony. I am against the change in the way these species are listed, and my bet is USF&WS could have came down a lot harder on the issue had they wanted too. An extra $100.00 a year for a ranchers entire herd, and some extra paperwork does not seem to me an effort to stop anything, especially if these guidelines/rules/permot process is already in place for some of the rarer species on these ranches, Red Lechwe and Barasingha were listed a examples. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I knew that anything 60 Minutes did would be BAD. I knew that anything 60 Minutes did on Hunting would be BAD. I knew that anything 60 Minutes did on Texas, must less Hunting in Texas, would be BAD. Surprisingly not BAD. Do you think they are trying to set us up for something ?  | |||
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I also had a non-hunting client tell me today that he watched it. He and I then had a discussion about hunting and the sustainability of various species of animals. He is beginning to see the light!  | |||
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No. I think the pendulum swings back and forth, and the anti hunting garbage had run its course. You simply can't fight the facts forever and expect to win. Walt Disney and the urbanization of America got the ball rolling and they rolled that ball a long way uphill. Gravity is a son of a gun! Be ready for the ball to come crashing back back down to earth. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Here's a good article from the OUTDOOR HUB that explains this issue very well. New Permit Rules Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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Check out what's happening today in Senegal. That's a stable place for an endangered species. | |||
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I spoke with Jeff Rann at Atlanta and Jeff sees no problems ahead with the permit. He has already applied for the 777 Ranch and will charge $4,500 for the Scimitar hunt. They are quite cheap right now if your looking for a deal. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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^^^^^^^^ Good point Jason. And thanks for adding that in LDK. I bet he sells some quick. | |||
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After reading the article contained in the link Outdoor Writer posted, I can't help but wonder if there were some ulterior motives behind the way this whole issue came to light. Are hunters stooping to the same half-truth sensationalism tactics the antis use? Was some of the hand wringing/teeth gnashing over the change in the regulations purposely put forth to coerce some people, especially those folks with only a small number of any of these three species, to dispose of their animals? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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A well researched piece, with pointed questions asked to both parties (for and against). It did show a lot of people that don't link hunting and conservation together that their is a vital link that hunters play. Well done to CBS and 60 minutes. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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and they won't respond to my query regarding why they will not post my comments which are contra to their positions... | |||
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CBS must have been Fox News in disguise "Fair and Balanced". All in all I think it will give the non-hunting public a better understanding of conservation done by the hunting community. it certainly showcased what nut jobs the "Antis' are. I am glad to find out via the above posts the situation is not as dire as one would believe about the permit issue. Hopefully, it will not cause the ranchers to much more heartburn. Tim | |||
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