Tonight, now. I am suspecting a hack job.

Conservation, jobs, economic incentive,...
Pretty good so far.

Well, I can honestly say I'm pleasantly surprised. I think they did a pretty good job. If anything it was slanted towards our side for once.

I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself.

Mike, it was anything but a "hack job". Amazingly, CBS let the "animal rights" woman be the idiot that she is without rehabilitating her.

"Wow!" is all I have to say.

Mike,
Thanks for that just-in-time pointer.

Yep, things were looking great.
Only 4500 to 10,000 dollars for some of the exotics like scimitar horned oryx, extinct in the wild but plentiful in Texas, maybe 6,000 to 10,000 of the scimitar-horned oryx there, and "stable or increasing."
Value to hunters means conservation of the resource.

Cape buffalo in Texas: $50,000.
I didn't think anything would shock me after that.

Then a bomb was dropped.
The Friends of Animals idiot Priscilla Feral, yes Prissy "Feral," is implied to be the mastermind behind getting hunting all but banned on the scimitar horned oryx and two other species.

USF&W will require a federal permit to hunt them in Texas, and make it near impossible to get the permit.
Value of the oryx to ranchers has already dropped 50%.
In 10 years they will be gone from Texas.

Ms. Prissy Feral has established a colony of oryx in Senegal, has 175 of them there.
They will soon go extinct in Africa again.

That is what I got from the show.
Now we need to google ...

The head of the exotic species rancher's association was backed up by Mr. Condy's conservation logic, undeniable truth, facts of life.

Ms. Feral did come off looking quite "feral" regarding brain function ... but they say she is winning this one.

Priscilla Feral is a nut case. Everything was killed in Africa. If it weren't for American hunters the oryx would already be extinct. And she wants it that way. What a whack job!

Prissy came across as borderline psychotic.....the look in the eyes of these anti whackos is scary. They are FAR more zealous and angry than any hunter I know.....and have complete disregard for anything but their own agenda. She could care less if species become extinct, as long as they aren't hunted.

I ask you all, how did USFW allow this to happen?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the ranchers got a fair shake on this issue. Problem is, it's too little and too late. The guy from Fossil Rim hit the nail on the head when he said, "There are no winners here, but the oryx for sure are the losers".
Keep in mind the animal rights groups have already said the next three animals on their hit list are the aoudad, blackbuck and axis.

I too feared a "hack job" and gathered the family in front of the TV and readied for my rebuttal. I was also pleasantly surprised by the segment. The Friends of Animals representative certainly did not do herself any favors. Afterwards I explained to my family the realities of the new legislation and used the declining prices offered here on AR as and example as well as the simple economics of ranchers ridding themselves of animals that have no monetary value. Hopefully these new USF&W rules will be changed before too long.

Go check out her website, http://www.friendsofanimals.org . She would also like to get rid of horse drawn carriages. Guess she wouldn't be to well received by the Amish, either. darn vegan!

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself.

Mike, it was anything but a "hack job". Amazingly, CBS let the "animal rights" woman be the idiot that she is without rehabilitating her.

"Wow!" is all I have to say.

I agree. Was I watching 60 Minutes?

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next three animals on their hit list are the aoudad, blackbuck and axis.

That is going to be a lot harder to pull off, probably impossible. While the Addax/Scimitar Horns and Dama are all captive populations on the ranches, Black Buck/Aoudad/Axis/Nilgia and a few other exotic species have large free ranging populations.

There is not the measure of control as with the other three species.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18...ls-save-the-species/

Transcript of show already up.

Last page of 4:

(CBS News)
We turned to one of the world's top conservationists, Pat Condy, who lives in Texas, to find out what he thought.


Pat Condy: That's the scimitar horned oryx. Altogether, on different ranches, many different ranches, there are somewhere between six and 10 thousand of these animals.


Pat Condy has devoted his life to saving animals and he showed us around the Fossil Rim Wildlife Center outside of Dallas which he runs. It's a world leader in breeding rare and endangered animals.


And it's also a place where tourists can get closer to these beautiful creatures than they ever could in the wild.


Logan: Do you think that Texas ranches are saving animals from extinction?


Condy: There's no question about it, that they are.


Logan: What gives you the confidence to say what you're saying?


Condy: What gives me the confidence is when you look at the numbers, the animal numbers, okay, and you see that they're not declining, that they're either stable or growing.


Logan: The numbers, you can't argue with that?


Condy: When you're talking about conservation, it's the numbers that are the bottom line.


But for Priscilla Feral, the bottom line is that these animals should not be hunted. She's helped create a reserve in Senegal for 175 orxy and in court, she's winning the legal battle she's been fighting for years to stop them from being hunted in the U.S.


In the coming weeks, a new rule issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will take effect, making it a crime to hunt the scimitar horned oryx - and two other endangered antelope - without a federal permit that will be difficult, if not impossible, to obtain.


Seale: Just since the announcement of that rule the value of those animals has probably dropped in half. You've got to understand, I'm a rancher to make a profit, just like any business.


Logan: How does this rule change affect that?


Seale: I will say that in five years you'll see half the numbers that you see today. And I would venture to guess in 10 years they'll be virtually none of 'em left.


Feral: The future for oryxes is Africa. It's not Texas.


Logan: Can the future not be both? Don't they have a greater chance of survival the more of them there are?


Feral: In their native lands.


Logan: Regardless of where they are?


Feral: I don't think you can say regardless of where they are. A Texas hunting ranch is not the same as being in a reserve in Senegal.


Condy: Put the hunting aspect to one side, and take a 50,000 foot view over this, this resource of a species that is extinct in the wild is going to disappear now from Texas, slowly but surely.


Logan: So who's winning the day here?


Condy: I don't think anybody's winning the day. One thing is for sure, they are losing it. Those species are losing it.

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US Fish & Wildlife Repeals Special Rule for Scimitar-Horned Oryx, Addax & Dama Gazelle
Written on: 01/06/2012 by: American Deer & Wildlife Alliance



Texas -

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service today announced a final rule to eliminate its special regulation authorizing the breeding, management and free trade of three endangered African antelope species ? the scimitar-horned oryx, addax and dama gazelle.

Although these animals are classified as endangered species, the special regulation enacted by USFWS in September 2005 made it possible for owners of captive herds to engage in activities including the purchase and sales of the animals and to breed these animals on ranches across the United States. In fact, the program has been so widely successful that it helped to fuel a $1.3 billion industry and thousands of jobs in rural America.

However, the repeal of the regulation will require anyone in the United States who possesses any of these species to obtain special authorization from USFWS if they wish to carry out interstate or foreign commerce, import, export (including re-export), culling or other forms of take.

?With the actions today by Fish & Wildlife, these rare animals that have rebounded by the thousands because of our conservation efforts will decline and potentially disappear entirely from the face of the earth,? says John Meng, ADWA president. ?The scimitar-horned oryx is a perfect example of how successful the special rules exemption has been to the species? survival. While they are all but gone in their native country, thousands of these amazing animals have been cared for and raised on preserves and ranches across the country...all thanks to the special rule which the government is now repealing. But because of lawsuits initiated by radical animal activists, the government has turned its back on these animals and basically signed their death warrant.?

Despite the unquestionable success of the program in bringing these animals from the brink of extinction, Friends of Animals and other animal rights groups filed lawsuits in Federal District Court to eliminate the special rule. In 2009, the court remanded the regulation back to USFWS, directing the agency to provide opportunities for the public to review and comment when authorizing otherwise prohibited activities ? interstate or foreign commerce, import or re-import, export or re-export, or take (other than normal husbandry, breeding, and non-injurious veterinary procedures) ? with these listed species, consistent with the ESA.

The final rule will be effective April 4, 2012, which will be 90 days after its publication in the Federal Register tomorrow.

If you would like to help our opposition to radical animal rights and anti-hunting groups, please consider donating to ADWA by clicking Here.
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U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Statement
Three African Antelope Species Final Rule





Photo Caption: Addax. Credit: Louisville Zoo


On September 2, 2005, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) added three African antelope species tothe Federal List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) — the scimitar-horned oryx, addax, and dama gazelle. At the same time, the Service published a new regulation providing an exclusion from the requirement to obtain a permit or other authorization for carrying out certain otherwise prohibited activities with these three species, such as hunting on a private ranch or game operation.

The Service recognizes the important contribution captive breeding has made to the continued survival of these species, which have been removed from (in the case of the oryx) or greatly reduced in numbers in the wild. Many game ranches within the United States have been breeding and maintaining these species on their properties and, as a result of strong management practices, have offered hunting of these species as a way to manage the size and health of their herds.

However, as a result of a Court ruling, the Service published a final rule on January 5, 2012, to eliminate the regulation that authorized certain otherwise prohibited activities under the ESA with U.S. captive-bred animals and sport-hunted trophies of three endangered African antelope species. The regulation being eliminated had excluded these three antelope species from permitting requirements as long as certain conditions were met. The new regulation goes into effect on April 4, 2012, at which point the three antelope species will be treated the same as all other captive-bred endangered species in the United States. Individuals in the United States who possess these three antelope species and wish to carry out otherwise prohibited activities, including interstate or foreign commerce, import, export, culling or other forms of take, must obtain a permit or other authorization from the Service.

The ESA does not prohibit possession. Individuals do not need a permit from the Service for private ownership or breeding. However, it is a violation of federal law to take (cull or kill) any of these three antelope species, unless the primary purpose of such activity is to enhance the propagation or survival of the species and the Service has authorized it. This means that an individual cannot decide to eliminate a herd through lethal means under the misconception that the change in regulation would adversely affect ranching operations.
The Service is providing this extended 90-day effective date of the regulation change to give affected communities additional time before the rule goes into effect on April 4, 2012. The agency is actively working to streamline the permitting process and minimize any burden on the public with regard to issuing permits and authorizations for activities under the ESA. Working together we can ensure that United States ranches continue in the long tradition of wildlife conservation for the benefit of these endangered species.

60 minutes finally got it right!!! Seems that
when the facts are this blatantly obvious even they can't deny the truth. Kudos to them!

BTW, I think the Exotic Wildlife Association deserves some support for taking the lead on this. Might be nice if some more AR members stepped up and joined/donated to the cause...

Regards,
Scott

Wow, is this woman misguided! I went to her site and she states the three animals are endangered because of hunting. I guess war and poaching have no effect. Her 175 Oryx will be much appreciated by poachers since I hear Oryx meat is delicious. FOA must have a powerful and wealthy lobby group to get something as crazy as this passed.

I was very pleased with how well the show was done. I just wish the new USFWS regulations on Oryx/Addax/Dama Gazelle could be repealed....

It's a shame....both for hunters, and the animals.

Yes, kudos to the CBS on fair and realistic reporting, but we're patting each other on the back and preaching to the choir.

Where are the hunting and conservation groups stepping forward to place pressure or legal precidnet to reverse this decision? The end of that program sounded a dire warning, extinction is essentially imminent without monetizig the resource. Well...........duh.

I hope that SCI, NRA, the state of Texas, and the exotics industry take up the guidon and get things changed to allow the value of breeding and hunting to continue. Don't expect too much until after this damn election, but the "Kiss a Trout, and Hug a Bunny" organizations are emboldened and pressing ahead. Next thing you know, we'll have to use steel shot for waterfowl and migratory birds.

So can we still hunt any of these 3 in TX or is it too late?

Go to the FOA web site and they openly state there are three more transplant animals on their target list. Two of which are the Mouflon and Blackbuck.

They can say whatever they want too on their website, reality is a different matter. Free Ranging population can not be controlled like fenced populations can.

Listing animals with naturally reproducing frre ranging populations shows their complete lack of actual knowledge of the animals.

Thanks for the head's up, Mike. I'll DVR it!

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Priscilla Feral

Finally, this idiot was shown to be herself. Good presentation by the 60 Minutes folks, all in all.

When they said $50,000 for Cape buffalo, my wife choked, turned to me and asked "Is that what they cost in Africa?" I told her "No, much much less." Looks there will be one more American going after Cape buffs in Africa...yee haww.

Thank you, Priscilla Feral, this buff's for you...

Does this mean there is going to be a sale on oryx, addax, and dama gazelle?
Half-price sale for hunters in February,
wholesale slaughter and meat hunts in March, dollar per pound, field dressed:


"The new regulation goes into effect on April 4, 2012, at which point the three antelope species will be treated the same as all other captive-bred endangered species in the United States. Individuals in the United States who possess these three antelope species and wish to carry out otherwise prohibited activities, including interstate or foreign commerce, import, export, culling or other forms of take, must obtain a permit or other authorization from the Service.

"The ESA does not prohibit possession. Individuals do not need a permit from the Service for private ownership or breeding. However, it is a violation of federal law to take (cull or kill) any of these three antelope species, unless the primary purpose of such activity is to enhance the propagation or survival of the species and the Service has authorized it. This means that an individual cannot decide to eliminate a herd through lethal means under the misconception that the change in regulation would adversely affect ranching operations.
"The Service is providing this extended 90-day effective date of the regulation change to give affected communities additional time before the rule goes into effect on April 4, 2012. The agency is actively working to streamline the permitting process and minimize any burden on the public with regard to issuing permits and authorizations for activities under the ESA. Working together we can ensure that United States ranches continue in the long tradition of wildlife conservation for the benefit of these endangered species."

I just saw this report and I am amazed by the fantastic job 60 minutes did on this. For once the green groups looked for all the world what they are"stupid bloody fools", I just can't see how any of them could look at what she said and truely beleive that her actions are in the animals best intrests???????Looks like another wonderful animal is doomed due to stupid bloody minded fools

That crazy lady would just like to see these animals extinct. Basically, she said if they were not in thier indiginous land they did not deserve to exist.

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Originally posted by David Culpepper:
That crazy lady would just like to see these animals extinct. Basically, she said if they were not in thier indiginous land they did not deserve to exist.

She should apply that rule to herself. You know, live (or die) by example ...

I watched the "60 minutes" piece as well.

Could someone clarify:

Is it accurate that you can hunt the oryx in Texas, however, you must get a special federal permit?

What is involved in the permit process? How much? ...ect...

Thanks,


dale

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Originally posted by daleW:
I watched the "60 minutes" piece as well.

Could someone clarify:

Is it accurate that you can hunt the oryx in Texas, however, you must get a special federal permit?

What is involved in the permit process? How much? ...ect...

Thanks,


dale

They said in the piece that the federal permits would take a long time to get and virtually impossible to get.

CBS and fair. I do not believe I have ever used those two words in the same sentence.

The show was well done.

Does anyone have a cook recipe for crow!!! I was wrong the show was not a hatchet job . it actually show the crazy tree hugger as a idiot.

couldn't help myself - I had to post in the comments section. perhaps we should all do so. they then told me they reserve the right to review posts before putting them up so we'll see if mine makes it up.

Jeff

For those who missed it, the TX segment begins at about 29:35.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/w...=component.0;topnews

Lara Logan, host of this surprisingly fair and informative report, is:

1. Drop-dead gorgeous; and
2. A woman who was born and raised in RSA.

Wonder if the latter helped. Sure as hell didn't hurt.

Isn't the real question here guys, what we as "conservationists", not just hunters, do to get the USFW Regulation reversed? Is SCI and other organizations involved in this battle and what basis or rationale did USFW use to withdraw the old reg and put in the new one? When something is done that is so blatantly against reason and success, it cries for redress. It also seems that this is an opening for true sportmen to start and make their voices heard. Although, I would never hunt an exotic on a Texas ranch myself, the fact that it creates value in animals that would otherwise be left to go extinct like this woman wants, is enough to make my blood boil.

John Jackson from Conservation Force is probably the best guy to go for information on revising or overturning this rule.

Tom

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Priscilla ... Feral! ...

... Is that really her name?

Twoseventy is right - John Jackson is well versed on the issue, as is Charly Seale, who appeared in the piece.

The USF&W rule came about as a result of a lawsuit filed by animal rights organizations, including Friends of Wildlife, that contested an exemption that allowed the three species in issue, the scimitar horned oryx, the addax and the dama gazelle, to be hunted in the States without a permit.

The Exotic Wildlife Association has taken the lead in the fight from the beginning. Dallas Safari Club and other organizations have been involved for some time. DSC held a meeting with Congressman Pete Sessions, Charly Seale, USF&W representatives, John Jackson, Ben Carter, ED of the DSC and myself during our recent Convention. Prior to that DSC had numerous meetings with members of Congress to discuss the issue and we have been working with the EWA. DSC recently sponsored a meeting between the EWA, Texas ranchers in the Hill Country and the USF&W's Timothy J. Van Norman to discuss permitting requirements.

I thought that CBS's handling of the topic was fair and I appreciate their presentation. A debt of gratitude is owed to people like Charly Seale, David Bamburger, Dr. Pat Condy, John Jackson, the late Charlie Schreiner, III and the entire Schreiner family, and other like-minded Texas ranchers.

EWA has fought hard at every turn. The fight isn't over.

Richard T. Cheatham
President
Dallas Safari Club

predictably, my comment has not been put up but in the meantime four other comments favorable to their position have posted.

hmm...

Where's jolobourn's reply on this??

I concur with you guys on this one in the thinking that the segment was fair. If you recall maybe about 8 months ago, I posted the alert that Lara Logan/CBS correspondent was doing the setup work for a piece on this. There was an extensive pro-active campaign that was carried out behind the scenes to make sure they got it right.

Although much of the footage was gathered in Texas, the extra effort was made to insure that credible and non stereotypical Elmer Fudd type bubba dudes, spoke on camera representing the hunting industry.

On another note, Correspondent Logan was born in South Africa, and worked her first media jobs as a newspaper reporter in Durban/Natal province. Because of her roots she is very familiar with the safari hunting industry. While I wouldn't classify her as pro-hunting, she demonstrated last night, the meaning of fair and balanced with regards to her report.

The February TV "ratings" aka "sweeps" period has begun, so sensational and shocking reports will fill the airwaves till the end of February.