What is a Trophy?

07 July 2010, 03:27

Frostbit

What is a Trophy?

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Originally posted by Nganga:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by Nganga:

This actually leads right back to physical fitness. Make no mistake, when you step off that charter and Andrew see's a fat out of shape old guy, he knows what he's up against. Conversely if an athletic, fit individual steps off that charter, he smiles internally and knows, He has a guy who might be able to go to that one secret place that he knows about that requires 8 hours on foot to get to. (and out again)

Just sayin...

Steve

Do I get a discount for a resting pulse of 46?

No discounts, your just expected to work harder

46 NICE!!!, whats you MHR? (and your age)

Steve

Age 56

MHR tends to be about 170. I will tilt towards going anaerobic at that rate.

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07 July 2010, 03:35

John Frederick

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Originally posted by Nganga:
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Originally posted by John Frederick:
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Originally posted by Nganga:
I'll have to disagree a bit here, By mosts definition here, as long as you worked hard and had a good time the size is of no importance? BS. were all human.

My definition would be more of a very difficult to obtain animal of a better than averagre size. If the difficulty is the only criteria, would a 30" LDE be a trophy? NOPE. It may represent a long pursuit and the result of 14 days of tracking but I hardly feel it is a worthy trophy.

This actually leads right back to physical fitness. Make no mistake, when you step off that charter and Andrew see's a fat out of shape old guy, he knows what he's up against. Conversely if an athletic, fit individual steps off that charter, he smiles internally and knows, He has a guy who might be able to go to that one secret place that he knows about that requires 8 hours on foot to get to. (and out again)

Just sayin...

Steve

Dear Mr Nganga,
please elaborate on what constitutes "a fat out of shape old guy".

I need to know if I should feel offended.

John,
thats easy, without thinking look down, can you see your shoes?

No, they are in my wardrobe, but I'll go and have a look if you want me to.

I still need a definition of "old".

07 July 2010, 03:38

Frostbit

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Originally posted by John Frederick:
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Originally posted by Nganga:
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Originally posted by John Frederick:
quote:
Originally posted by Nganga:
I'll have to disagree a bit here, By mosts definition here, as long as you worked hard and had a good time the size is of no importance? BS. were all human.

My definition would be more of a very difficult to obtain animal of a better than averagre size. If the difficulty is the only criteria, would a 30" LDE be a trophy? NOPE. It may represent a long pursuit and the result of 14 days of tracking but I hardly feel it is a worthy trophy.

This actually leads right back to physical fitness. Make no mistake, when you step off that charter and Andrew see's a fat out of shape old guy, he knows what he's up against. Conversely if an athletic, fit individual steps off that charter, he smiles internally and knows, He has a guy who might be able to go to that one secret place that he knows about that requires 8 hours on foot to get to. (and out again)

Just sayin...

Steve

Dear Mr Nganga,
please elaborate on what constitutes "a fat out of shape old guy".

I need to know if I should feel offended.

John,
thats easy, without thinking look down, can you see your shoes?

No, they are in my wardrobe, but I'll go and have a look if you want me to.

I still need a definition of "old".

The answer is ever evolving as one gets older themselves.

07 July 2010, 03:38

Steve Ahrenberg

How many little blue pills??

I have a formula to determine old, by pills required to perform appointed task.

07 July 2010, 03:38

Idaho Sharpshooter

Jim Fixx was pretty fit. Ran marathons every weekend. He's dead, at age 53 of a heart attack. Fit means they can use a narrower coffin.

I'm six-two, two-twenty-five, and nearly sixty-one years old. Not fast, but steady. You just start out, I'll be there in time to take the shot, unless you go sheep/goat hunting.

Rich
DRSS

07 July 2010, 03:46

John Frederick

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Originally posted by Nganga:
How many little blue pills??

I have a formula to determine old, by pills required to perform appointed task.

The number of those little pills needed is entirely dependent on what the recipient of ones affection looks like.

The quantity required may vary from none, to shit loads, to "I give up".

07 July 2010, 04:02

Steve Ahrenberg

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Jim Fixx was pretty fit. Ran marathons every weekend. He's dead, at age 53 of a heart attack. Fit means they can use a narrower coffin.

I'm six-two, two-twenty-five, and nearly sixty-one years old. Not fast, but steady. You just start out, I'll be there in time to take the shot, unless you go sheep/goat hunting.

Rich
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Rich,
Jim Fixx was genetically predisopsed to heart trauma. I dont care if I die at 53 as long as I felt good for 53 years. Frostbit is 56 years old and his max heart rate is 170. take 220 minus your age. That is approximately your max heart rate. Frostbit is in excellent condition.

Next time you are at your physician ask him for a stress test and you might be surprised at what you learn.

The human body is an amazing machine, it gives you back exactly what you give it.

I am doing Dall/Griz in the Brooks next month. I'll not suffer an ounce unless Lance Armstrong shows up to be my guide.

Steve

07 July 2010, 04:02

Steve Ahrenberg

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Originally posted by John Frederick:
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Originally posted by Nganga:
How many little blue pills??

I have a formula to determine old, by pills required to perform appointed task.

The number of those little pills needed is entirely dependent on what the recipient of ones affection looks like.

The quantity required may vary from none, to shit loads, to "I give up".

John,
Simply observe the 4 hour rule

07 July 2010, 04:29

John Frederick

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Originally posted by Nganga:
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Originally posted by John Frederick:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nganga:
How many little blue pills??

I have a formula to determine old, by pills required to perform appointed task.

The number of those little pills needed is entirely dependent on what the recipient of ones affection looks like.

The quantity required may vary from none, to shit loads, to "I give up". :

John,
Simply observe the 4 hour rule

Although it pains me to admit it, I no longer have the endurance for a four hour session.

But then again, if Elle was present..............

07 July 2010, 04:39

Steve Ahrenberg

She sends her regards & sympathy.

07 July 2010, 04:46

Idaho Sharpshooter

Steve,

I don't run marathons either. There's only one important thing I can't do as much as I used to.

A real life definition of fit is: can you still do the things that are important to you?

My answer is YES!

If you are over 25 you can't keep up with your PH/Guide anyway. It's what he does for a living, not a hobby.

Rich
DRSS

07 July 2010, 04:55

Steve Ahrenberg

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If you are over 25 you can't keep up with your PH/Guide anyway. It's what he does for a living, not a hobby.

Wanna Bet?

07 July 2010, 10:21

Equinsu Ocha

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Originally posted by Nganga:
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If you are over 25 you can't keep up with your PH/Guide anyway. It's what he does for a living, not a hobby.

Wanna Bet?

I could run most PH's I've met into the ground if I wanted to, cardio-wise.

Steve, sounds like you're ready for those AK hills.. Best of luck.

07 July 2010, 13:20

John Frederick

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Originally posted by Nganga:
She sends her regards & sympathy.

Mate, I don't need her sympathy, I need her BODY.

07 July 2010, 15:41

Scriptus

You are as old as the woman you feel???

08 July 2010, 00:34

jeff h

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Professor Jud and I were holed up in the reedy fringes of the Kafue river here in Zambia and I was urging him to shoot a thirty plus inch Sitatunga. There were two bulls standing side by side like a pair of book ends. The lesser bull would go twenty seven inches and his horns were thick and supported long ivory tips. Having queried me I confirmed that both animals were indeed fully mature and yes the smaller 'trophy' was in my opinion the older animal.

He turned down the larger bull and took the twenty seven inch Sitatunga.

His comment was that for him it was a better trophy. I admired him for that.

So define 'trophy' and just out of interest is there any other crackpot out there who would have turned down a thirty inch Sitatunga?

I won't lie I would have shot the 30 incher.

Fairgame heading your way in about a month.
What does it cost to do a one day Kafue lechway now??

08 July 2010, 00:48

Die Ou Jagter

Trophy is like beauty - in eyes of the beholder. Nuff said!

08 July 2010, 01:57

Greg Brownlee

quote:
Originally posted by Nganga:
I'll have to disagree a bit here, By mosts definition here, as long as you worked hard and had a good time the size is of no importance? BS. were all human.

My definition would be more of a very difficult to obtain animal of a better than averagre size. If the difficulty is the only criteria, would a 30" LDE be a trophy? NOPE. It may represent a long pursuit and the result of 14 days of tracking but I hardly feel it is a worthy trophy.

This actually leads right back to physical fitness. Make no mistake, when you step off that charter and Andrew see's a fat out of shape old guy, he knows what he's up against. Conversely if an athletic, fit individual steps off that charter, he smiles internally and knows, He has a guy who might be able to go to that one secret place that he knows about that requires 8 hours on foot to get to. (and out again)

Just sayin...

Steve

Back on topic, I totally agree with you here Steve. If that was the case, I would assume we would have shot our elephant on the fourth or fifth 8 hour day of hunting in Botswana this last time over. It took us the whole 14 days to find that 70 lb bull but it was worth every mile we walked. When the bull actually ended up being 62 lbs, (looong nerve, with the measurements he had, surprised the hell out of all of us), the client wasn't the least bit disappointed with the hunt.

That being said, had the bull turned out to be 40 lbs, it may have been a different story!

Greg

08 July 2010, 02:34

Tapper2

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
My trophies are placed with honor, and respect, in my home.

They are, to me, a lasting tribute to the beauty, strength and dignity of the creatures themselves.

They evoke in me the powerful emotions I felt as I pursued them, and killed them, in the wild.

My trophies do not pass quickly into dust, as they would have, had it not been for my intervention.

They live on, and will live on, for at least as long as I have life, and the memory and ability to tell their stories.

Mike, That's the best discription of trophy hunting I have ever heard. I am sitting here beside a 39" buff that spent ten seconds trying to kill me. We had quite a dance. In the future I may take a larger one but it will never be the "trophy" this gentleman is......Tom

08 July 2010, 23:38

375LVR

Like many others on this thread, the trophy on the wall is a physical reminder of the the real trophy, "The experience". The empty space on the wall is also a reminder of the unsuccesful, but no less rewarding Moose hunts I have been on.

09 July 2010, 09:51

Michael Robinson

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Originally posted by Tapper2:
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
My trophies are placed with honor, and respect, in my home.

They are, to me, a lasting tribute to the beauty, strength and dignity of the creatures themselves.

They evoke in me the powerful emotions I felt as I pursued them, and killed them, in the wild.

My trophies do not pass quickly into dust, as they would have, had it not been for my intervention.

They live on, and will live on, for at least as long as I have life, and the memory and ability to tell their stories.

Mike, That's the best discription of trophy hunting I have ever heard. I am sitting here beside a 39" buff that spent ten seconds trying to kill me. We had quite a dance. In the future I may take a larger one but it will never be the "trophy" this gentleman is......Tom

Thanks, Tapper2. It's good, once in a great while, to find a kindred spirit.

Maybe I go too far, but I even keep and mount my mistakes.

I have two trophies of immature animals I have killed. One was my mistake, the other belonged mostly, but not entirely, to my PH.

I am not proud of the mistakes; quite the contrary, I regret them immensely.

I did, however, want to memorialize the game animals themselves, as the hunts were no less difficult, and my quarry no less worthy.

Plus, in their own hard way, they do remind me of the great care I must always take before I press the trigger.

09 July 2010, 10:49

Idaho Sharpshooter

Fair Chase and a mature animal. The animals I take in Africa, or elsewhere will die a better death than the cruel one old age provides. They will also have a place of honor on my walls. When I die, we all will have a place on the walls of family who will respect the hunter and the hunted.

Rich
DRSS

11 July 2010, 00:48

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
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Originally posted by Tapper2:
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
My trophies are placed with honor, and respect, in my home.

They are, to me, a lasting tribute to the beauty, strength and dignity of the creatures themselves.

They evoke in me the powerful emotions I felt as I pursued them, and killed them, in the wild.

My trophies do not pass quickly into dust, as they would have, had it not been for my intervention.

They live on, and will live on, for at least as long as I have life, and the memory and ability to tell their stories.

Mike, That's the best discription of trophy hunting I have ever heard. I am sitting here beside a 39" buff that spent ten seconds trying to kill me. We had quite a dance. In the future I may take a larger one but it will never be the "trophy" this gentleman is......Tom

Thanks, Tapper2. It's good, once in a great while, to find a kindred spirit.

Maybe I go too far, but I even keep and mount my mistakes.

I have two trophies of immature animals I have killed. One was my mistake, the other belonged mostly, but not entirely, to my PH.

I am not proud of the mistakes; quite the contrary, I regret them immensely.

I did, however, want to memorialize the game animals themselves, as the hunts were no less difficult, and my quarry no less worthy.

Plus, in their own hard way, they do remind me of the great care I must always take before I press the trigger.

Mike,

In my career I have made a couple of bad calls and have in the past had clients shoot immature animals. It happens now and again and can be put down as a simple mistake on my side. I recently had a chap shoot a Buffalo that was a tad soft and I could not identify this up as we were in dense shady thicket. I apologized but my client had not got a clue what I was talking about?

Like you say 'the hunts were no less difficult, and my quarry no less worthy'

12 July 2010, 06:22

jdollar

any mature animal, legally and ethically hunted, is a trophy to me. size matters little and when I look at the heads on the wall, I can remember each and every one. some came easy and some came hard- but they ALL hold a special place in my memories. obviously I wish they were all monsters but that isn't reality and doesn't detract from the wonderful experience of being on their ground and making the shot.